De La Hoya - Mayweather A Fair Fight ?

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Would've posted this in the Sports section, but thought it would get more replies here...seems like most of these things are playing to Oscar's advantage...

De La Hoya/Mayweather: A Fair Fight? What Happened To The Old Way?

13.02.07 - By Ernesto Morales: When I was a youngster growing up in the tough South Bronx and in the barrios of P.R., there existed an almost forgotten tradition of a fair fight. Statistically speaking, my hood, Fort Apache, Bronx, 42nd police precinct, had for many years the infamous reputation of having the highest crime rate in New York for well over a decade and, indeed, the whole nation almost as often and all on official stat list, no less.

But even in this barrio, if two contestants would call each other out to a fair fight, no one, no matter of what race, origin, religion, barrio, colors, would dare violate the code. No one. Fair fight was a Man's code and respected. I personally prevented (at times with difficulty) my homies from breaking our gentleman's agreement. Whether your man won or lost and/or there were gang /barrio/race/boundary issues still pending, they would be resolved afterwards in declared rumbles and even they sometimes had rules of war that we abided by.

Sure we resorted to ambushes, barrio style gorilla warfare, BUT fair fight was respected. It is important I add that those innocent bystander shootings we find common today were considered so cowardly that they just didn't happen.

Now, where am I going with this? Well, let's consider the May 5th, 2007 extravaganza. Sure, it's a mega fight but is it a Mega Fair Fight? I invite you all to take a closer look.

Here we have a great, physically bigger fighter vs a great smaller fighter. But it's the bigger fighter that has deliberately stacked the cards in his favor as far and as long as believably / unbelievably possible by forcing the smaller fighter to accept all the pre-fight conditions or the fight's off, cancelled or aborted like some undesired pregnancy. Isn't being bigger and getting the Lion's share of the event enough?? Apparently not.

Floyd must concede to Oscar's demands of:

1-Financial arrangements

2-Pre-fight promotional demands

3-Ring size to cut his versatility. If we remember well, when Oscar fought Trinidad he also then demanded a ring size to his liking, but that time it was a demand for a larger ring or the fight was off! Needless to say, his demands were met.

4-Oscar's Pre-arranged/conditioned weight agreement where Floyd must come in at a certain weight and no lighter in an attempt (a logical attempt) of the Golden Boy to slow down the fleet footed Pretty Boy.

But this fair fight doesn't stop here, there's more;

5-The gloves to be worn are also conditioned to Oscar's wants and desires.

Fair Fight? Some might consider it quite the contrary or more of an un-fair affair reasonably speaking. Well then again, that may depend on whom one is rooting for, should it? Doesn't fair mean just that? No more and no less. Was it ever fair for the bigger schoolyard combatant to get his even bigger brother to help him fight his battles? Or have some one grab or hold down the faster smaller guy? Use brass knuckles? Is it right for the more popular MVP demand that the pitcher inform him of what pitches he's about to throw or the game is off. Or can a Carl Lewis demand that the opposing sprinter run with lead weights on his ankles? No? Why not? Because although it might/can be legally worked out it still doesn't sound fair.

I'm not a hater. Those who know me can attest that that isn't my style. It's only my way of seeing things. I'm old school although some might consider me too Old fashioned for today's boxing modern times.

But then again, my interpretation of a fair fight may be biased and un-fair on account of my upbringing and really doesn't hold water. Like I already said, it might depend on whom one has their money on or rooting for. Personally, I'd like for The Pretty Boy to get some ring dust on his behind but that would only satisfy my dream craving if it were done on even terms or in a fair fight.

Do I believe that Oscar can't beat Floyd on even terms? Good question. What do you guys think? Whether you or I believe or think he can or can't IS not the issue. Does Oscar believe he can? Stop and think about it. Well, judging by his conditions and his demands, he...Oh well, you be the judge. I believe I've said enough.
 
Apr 16, 2003
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He can definatley win on his own terms, both fighters are great boxers. This person is analyzing it wayyyy too much. Maywether wouldn't fight if he knew it was going to be tainted. The guy claims how this fight will be pretty much tailored but doesn't go into detail. And if I was oscar I'd definatley not want the dude to weigh in too light in fear of having the fight called off or deemed unfair.
 
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Well, the smaller ring deal definitely works to Oscar's advantage...his strategy is basically going to be to try and get Floyd to brawl with him, and stand toe-to-toe and trade shots. But I don't know...Floyd's inside game filthy !
 
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I think the writer's whole point was to take shots at Oscar. If Mayweather wants the biggest payday he'll ever have in his career, he'll have to concede some things. He knows this and anyone who fights Oscar knows this. When you're the biggest draw in all of boxing you can demand shit like that and I don't blame him at all.
 
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as long as aging isnt a factor and theyre in the same weight class, its a fair fight. anything else doesnt matter. but i would like to see an actually winner unlike floyds last fight vs baldomir where he pretty much won off points. baldomir had some little bumps but im pretty damn sure he wasnt hurt.
 
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Anaheim*Rob said:
I think the writer's whole point was to take shots at Oscar. If Mayweather wants the biggest payday he'll ever have in his career, he'll have to concede some things. He knows this and anyone who fights Oscar knows this. When you're the biggest draw in all of boxing you can demand shit like that and I don't blame him at all.
SO BECAUSE OF THIS HOW MANY FIGHTERS WERE SCREWED OUTTA FAIR FIGHTS????? FIGHTERS GOTTA MAKE MONEY AND IF THEYRE NOT GETTING PAID OF COURSE THEYRE GONNA MAKE SACRIFICES FOR A BIGGER PAYDAY.....DOES THAT MEAN DLH EXPLOITING THIS IS RIGHT???
 
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That's part of the fight game. This has been going on for many years. Whether it's a smaller ring or different brands of gloves, the better fighter should win regardless of the conditions. In the DLH/Floyd situation, Floyd is the number one p4p and the favorite to win the fight, but at the same time he can't put 1/10th the amount of butts in the seats as Oscar can and in that respect, Oscar is the shot caller. That's the up side to being Oscar De La Hoya and since he isn't favored to win he'll do anything in his power to get the advantage. Is it wrong? Maybe. Is it unfair, as in giving someone an advantage over the other? I personally don't think so, the better man will win regardless. The only thing I'm curious about is the weight arrangements.
 
May 5, 2002
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man take this to the sports forum, thats why we have one.

i know yall post in the sports forum and thats the only place you'll find true boxing fans not just ppl who like knockouts n dont follow it until someone asks if they are watchin or odering somethin.. -/
 
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These demands are probably just to prove that he can also beat Mayweather OUTSIDE of the ring. Mayweather is faster than DLH, but he likes to fight close to other fighters. DLH can knock motherfuckers out from the inside, or the outside, so Mayweather better be ready to take some real punches. I doubt that Mayweather has enough power to hurt DLH, and I think Mayweather is gonna be eating canvas somewhere in the early rounds.
 
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Fuck all those paragraphs dude wrote, I can KO his argument in one sentence.

If both men agree to the terms of the fight (in a ring or in the street), then it's a fair fight. DONE.
 
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you know why DLH gonna have problems? the same reason everyone has had.. the speed. Granted PBF wont have the reach advantage but he has that speed and satisfied with stickin n movin.. DLH has power to KO Mayweather but so has almost everyone else. He's techinical to the T. We'll see what happens. I think Mayweather might really be professin the truth. You might see him bring some game we never seen cuz it calls for it
 
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^ No one that Floyd has ever fought has had the power that Oscar does. No one even comes close actually. Look at probably the only two people to ever really wobble Floyd and hurt him.

You have Demarcus 'Chop Chop' Corley...who fought Floyd at 140...he rocked Floyd numerous times in their fight.

And also, you have Jose Luis Castillo, who IMO beat Floyd their first time around, and hurt him several times in their fight also.


Now both of these guys don't even have power remotely close to Oscar's, and this fight is going to be @ 154, which plays entirely to Oscar's advantage.

True, Floyd's speed is going to be his biggest asset...but with a smaller ring means less area to run around in, meaning that he's going to be put on the ropes probably more than he wants to.

I agree with Enserio, in that both fighters signed the contract, so there really is no question to whether its fair or not. But I was more interested in seeing all of these stipulations that Oscar had put into the contract.