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was wondering what the proper way was in doing copyrights besides mailing an SR form. if i was to go to the post office and ask them to "certify" my mail, would that be good enough?... at least till i actually got the SR from together? also, if it was to deal with a major record label... e.g. def jam or labels on that level. would i get raped if they heard my beat and were feelin it? or will my certified CD protect me? I know i'd need an entertainment lawyer as well.

thanks 4 the help.
 
Aug 12, 2002
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The only thing that will cover you is sending it to the US Copyright office. Put all the tracks you can on a cd and for $35, they can all be copyrighted at once. Otherwise, if you have a track disputed with a major label, you're shit out of luck.

-=bumpus=-
 
Jun 25, 2002
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bumpus said:
The only thing that will cover you is sending it to the US Copyright office. Put all the tracks you can on a cd and for $35, they can all be copyrighted at once. Otherwise, if you have a track disputed with a major label, you're shit out of luck.

-=bumpus=-
Do you know if the beats have to be completely finished? Meaning, do they have to be in a completed sequence...as in if you submit the track, is only the original copywritten version protected? Or say down the line you decide to trick it out (seq, change a sound, mixing, FX) would that version still be copyright protected?

I ask this because I normally don't "finish" a beat until it is sold or I'm actually making a song. EX: At home I will create a sequence to demo to artists, then after the beat has been purchased, i will sequence it, add effects, create stereo mix..."finish" it, or i will go to whatever studio they work at and track it out so they can sequence and mix the beat how they see fit. In both cases there are new versions of the beat. Will these "new" versions still be protected even though they are not the original copywritten piece of work?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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You need to submit versions that contain all the different elements of the work. For example, say you have a 4 minute beat. If the last 2 minutes is simply a repeat of the first two minutes, you only need to submit the first two minutes worth.

Also, copyright registrations do not cover alterations you make later. If you change a sound or add a sequence or something, it will have to be re-submitted.
 
Nov 30, 2003
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Would this cover every element of the track? say if someone was to steal lyrics from the track you submitted.. could you then sue them? I see it all the time, low budget artists use certain elements of copyrighted shit and nobody gives a fuck cause they aint bigtime, but when i get my shit out... i aint lettin no shit like that slide..

or say you used the same piano/bassline from another song, but made it on your own keyboard, not sampled off of theres.. would this be against copyright at all?

just wondering a few things, to cover my ass when im ready.
 
Nov 16, 2002
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How would I copyright lyrics if they are only over a mixtape beat? Would I need to send in just an acapella, since it's someone else's beat that is most likely already copywritten.
 
May 10, 2002
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Here's what a lawyer comrad of mine thinks about copyrighting your beats:

The reason I think it's pointless is because with hip hop music, 9 times out of 10, the compositions are not that difficult to either replay or copy and alter. So basically, you got a hot sample that you flipped...you send the beat into the copyright office...cool, you think you're good. But if a dude hears that beat and wants to jack it, he can flip the sample his own way, and have it be VERY similar to yours, but change just enough to avoid the copyright protection issue. If it's not a sample beat, he can jack your melody, but alter it JUST enough so that he can avoid the copyright protection issue.

Now step 2...you hear the beat on the radio and you're like FUCK this, that's my shit! What are you gonna do? You call a laywer up and tell him, yo I heard my shit on the radio and I have a copyright on my beat, so let's do this. The lawyer listens and says, ok I think we might have something here. But any good lawyer is not gonna take a case like that on contingency (if he does he's an idiot and he likes to work for free). So now you gotta pay the dude up front...most likely he'll ask for a retainer...anywhere in the range of 5 to 10 thousand dollars. Now at this point, he's gonna file the complaint against the producer individually and the record label (they have the deep pockets and that's where you get your dough). He might also file some discovery too. Now, that 10 grand is gonna run out fast, especially if the lawyer charges 200-500 an hour which is the normal range for any decent lawyer in a large city like NY. He can blow through that dough in 10-20 hours of work! I do that shit all the time. MAYBE at this point, after they get the complaint, the record label MIGHT settle with you out of court, but for how much? And if they don't, and they might not because they have MUCH deeper pockets than you and don't really give a fuck about litigation (record labels are suing left and right these days), the case will go to trial. If the case goes to trial, it could cost you upwards of 100 thousand dollars...just to prosecute the action. Which means YOU'RE paying for that.

Now I don't know about you guys, but I'm not makin dough like that off of my music to pay an attorney for a crap shoot case that a judge might throw out because the beats aren't EXACTLY the same. And if you were making that kind of money, you probably wouldn't have gotten jacked.

Bottom line...we're in a very vulnerable position as up and coming producers. My advice, try to have as many face to face meetings as you can...minimize your risk. Keep a log of who you send your beats to. But if the day comes that your beat gets jacked...yeah there's somethin you can do about it, but you're gonna be damned if you do, damned if you don't. Sorry to be so cynical about this, but this is reality folks. That's why I always say to myself, "fuck it, I'll make more". Cuz if I get jacked, I can't bitch and moan about how that was the hottest beat I had and blah blah blah, I just gotta go back to the lab and make more. Chalk it up as an L, take it as a compliment, whatever, but ya gotta move the fuck on, because it's just not worth it.

(Note: this is all limited to BEATS...if you have finished songs with hooks and lyrics, I ABSOLUTELY recommend you copyright your tracks)
 
Apr 26, 2006
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Best thing I assume is to simply NOT post your beats on the internet, especially if you feel really good about them. That's why I'm really skeptical about "showing off" my beats on SoundClick. I have thought about posting my beats numerous times on SoundClick and what not just to show them off and hear critiques on them from guys like you on forums, but hell nah, they can easily get jacked and I'll probably never find out about it.
 
Sep 25, 2005
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I have a beat with ozzy osbourne coughing in the begining, from sweet leaf. Do you think Epic or EMI or whatever record company is gonna try to sue for that?
 

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taetae said:
I have a beat with ozzy osbourne coughing in the begining, from sweet leaf. Do you think Epic or EMI or whatever record company is gonna try to sue for that?
Only if or when you start making good money from it.... The Yin Yang twinz and Lil Flip got sued only after their albums were beasting on Billboard.... the Twinz got hit for their sampling of Snow White (whistle while you work or sumptin') and Flip got hit by Namco for sampling Pacman ('Game Over').... From wut I heard about the YinYang situation.. Disney damn near raped 'em for all their profits on the whole album... but at least they were able to bounce back...

All and all, I figure it's easier to get on Billboard if you've already been there...
so if you gotta do sum illegal jacking to get there, just prepare to chalk up any profit and get a hot single ready for the sophomore album....
 
Jun 6, 2006
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