Cleopatra's mother 'was African'

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Cleopatra's mother 'was African'


Elizabeth Taylor's European Cleopatra persists in the public imagination
Cleopatra, the last Egyptian Pharaoh, renowned for her beauty, was part African, says a BBC team which believes it has found her sister's tomb.
Queen Cleopatra was a descendant of Ptolemy, the Macedonian general who ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great.
But remains of the queen's sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her mother had an "African" skeleton.
Experts have described the results as "a real sensation."
The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.
"It is unique in the life of an archaeologist to find the tomb and the skeleton of a member of Ptolemaic dynasty," she said.

They were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor
Archaeologist Neil Oliver
"That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe."
They lived at a turbulent time when the Roman empire was extending its power across the Mediterranean.
Cleopatra established alliances with the Roman leader Julius Caesar and, after his assassination, with his political supporter, General Mark Antony, to whom she was married.
"Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony - they are all iconic figures from history," said archaeologist Neil Oliver who presents the BBC documentary.

"It's almost impossible to remember they were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. It was like a splash of cold water in the face to be confronted by them as human beings, " he continued.
"When I stood in the lab and handled the bones of Cleopatra's blood sister - knowing that in her lifetime she touched Cleopatra and perhaps Julius Caesar and Mark Antony as well - I felt the hairs go up on the back of my neck."
"Suddenly these giant figures from history were flesh and blood," said archaeologist Neil Oliver.

Cleopatra also looks European in this oil painting - owned by Michael Jackson
There was plenty of sibling rivalry between Princess Arsinoe and her powerful sister Cleopatra - many believe the queen ordered Mark Antony to murder her sister.
The film examines the life of Cleopatra - who had an affair with Julius Caesar - including her murderous intentions towards Arsinoe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7945333.stm


lol, really, she was half African? Who whaadda thunk it? I wonder how many others will turn up to be half/full whatever blck/Africans years after the lies have been spread?:ermm:
 
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I personally think it was lies after what I have heard from honest egyptologist and so on. Plus Arabs and Europeans have tried to divorce both blacks from Egypt, and Egypt from Africa for the longest.
 
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I told you so rights for blacks that have been ridiculed as crazy afro-centrists, and a hope that more truth comes out regarding antiquity.
 
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people held cleopatra high because she belonged to the ptolemaic line, plus all the espionage, sex, lies bullshit that happened between her Mark anthony, her sister romans, greeks, kemetians etc.
 
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the 3d model the computer reconstructed based of her bone structure, descriptions, coins, etc. has her looking straight



Ancient Egypt expert Sally Ann Ashton has created an estimation of the face and head of Cleopatra in 3D CGI. The rendering is based on a year of research in which facial details were extracted from walls, coins and other original artifacts and descriptions. It's also based on a guesstimate about her ethnicity, which is presumed by Ashton to be roughly equal parts Greek and Egyptian. The reconstruction will be featured in an upcoming BBC documentary.
 
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Cleopatra's mother 'was African'


Elizabeth Taylor's European Cleopatra persists in the public imagination
Cleopatra, the last Egyptian Pharaoh, renowned for her beauty, was part African, says a BBC team which believes it has found her sister's tomb.
Queen Cleopatra was a descendant of Ptolemy, the Macedonian general who ruled Egypt after Alexander the Great.
But remains of the queen's sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her mother had an "African" skeleton.
Experts have described the results as "a real sensation."
The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.
"It is unique in the life of an archaeologist to find the tomb and the skeleton of a member of Ptolemaic dynasty," she said.

They were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor
Archaeologist Neil Oliver
"That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation which leads to a new insight on Cleopatra's family and the relationship of the sisters Cleopatra and Arsinoe."
They lived at a turbulent time when the Roman empire was extending its power across the Mediterranean.
Cleopatra established alliances with the Roman leader Julius Caesar and, after his assassination, with his political supporter, General Mark Antony, to whom she was married.
"Cleopatra, Julius Caesar, Mark Antony - they are all iconic figures from history," said archaeologist Neil Oliver who presents the BBC documentary.

"It's almost impossible to remember they were real people and not the semi-mythical figures portrayed by Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. It was like a splash of cold water in the face to be confronted by them as human beings, " he continued.
"When I stood in the lab and handled the bones of Cleopatra's blood sister - knowing that in her lifetime she touched Cleopatra and perhaps Julius Caesar and Mark Antony as well - I felt the hairs go up on the back of my neck."
"Suddenly these giant figures from history were flesh and blood," said archaeologist Neil Oliver.

Cleopatra also looks European in this oil painting - owned by Michael Jackson
There was plenty of sibling rivalry between Princess Arsinoe and her powerful sister Cleopatra - many believe the queen ordered Mark Antony to murder her sister.
The film examines the life of Cleopatra - who had an affair with Julius Caesar - including her murderous intentions towards Arsinoe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/also_in_the_news/7945333.stm


lol, really, she was half African? Who whaadda thunk it? I wonder how many others will turn up to be half/full whatever blck/Africans years after the lies have been spread?:ermm:
Cleopatra's mother 'was African'

Holy fuck where do you think Egypt is?