Christ:Give or Take

[2-0-NINE]

I'm going to post a link, that probably will help people who have PMd me, or want to inquire about Jesus, and other biblical subjects. This site, is very helpful. It's pretty much, the ideas contrary to the "Orthodox" ways, meaning what most of the US "Christians" believe. Like Immortal Technique said, this country is ran by fake politicians and fake Christians, and this site will teach what other Christians would not want you to learn, because it's not their teaching. For those, willing to understand Jesus. Read this.

2-0-Sixx, again, If you don't mind, allow me to post this in Here, after all it's the GOM. Siccness' notorious, Political/Religious/Miscellaneous forum.


Yeshua's Plan of Salvation(Click Here)

On the Bottom, they have the Fundamentals, and Basis of The "Ways of Jesus". Table of Contents. Not much Pages, but very helpful. Yeshua-Yireh

This is, anti-televangelist to say the least, the info on this site, isn't the stuff Benny Hinn, Jimmy "The Trick" Haggart, or John Hagee would preach. They'd consider this heresy. God Bless, and I hope those who seek knowledge and Truth, can find this Helpful.

PS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T POST!!!!

 

[Hemp]

go to a christian forum noob

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

hey stockton...
Good info! I like reading this..

Although I don't agree with pornography
The bible says Fornication.. and Adultary and Homsexuality
are sins.. I don't see where it says.. Thou Shall not look at porn...
since I don't think they had porn in bible times..

Yeah I agree with just about everything in that article..
expect for porn..
that is more like a personal preference..

that is like saying you cannot watch a demonic movie...
watching.. and doing are two different things...

Just like watching a movie with a murder in it.. does not make you a killer for watching...it

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

Also what I see..
if the reason god hates sin..
is because before Adam sinned.. he was to be perfect
and eternal like.. god.. and in God's image..
but if someone is evil and courrupt that can't be like god....

His original plan was for humans to be eternal like him right?
but they ate from the Tree of Knowledge..instead of the Tree Of Life..
which would have granted them immortality.. if they would have overcome that ONE temptation...

That's how I see it at least..

 

[EverReadyT9X]

i read through that but i have a specific question and i would just like to see where you guys think it comes into play. i got a friend who is a christian but makes up his own shit and chooses what to believe but he basically lives by, because his counselors or teachers at his church told him, it is better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. living by this do you think he is living a life of deliberate sin?

 

[2-0-NINE]

Yes, cause if he chooses what he thinks suits his lifestyle, he could easily believe one part of the 10 commandments, and ignore the other parts. For Example, He could be good to his neighbors, but he also could be stealing from them, so if he removes the commandment of "Thou shalt not Steal" he could easily say, well I believe in what I want, so I could steal, just as long as I don't kill my neighbors.

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

STockton.. check ur PM...

also what do you think about my 2nd comment on here?
i pretty much have it all figured out huh?

 

[MEXCOM]

there thousands of different religions, churches, interperetations and none of them has anything relevant to say

You're kidding right? Or have you any motivation for entering his threads other than bashing organized religion, which I might add, you don't do very well.

 

[MEXCOM]

Just going to make this as hard for you as possible. Enjoy.

I'm not banishing organizing religion - I'm banishing EVERY religion and superstition out there

What is an organizing religion? For a zealot who thinks, at least by his implications, that he's somehow more intelligent than those who are theist you surely don't do well with spelling.

But please, enlighten me, what are these religions that aren't organized?
What do you consider to be organized? Would these religions you just named (given that you actually can) be proven to be "none organized?"

And if you are unable to prove otherwise wouldn't it have made differentiating a difference between organized and non-organized religions irrelevant?

 

[Cmoke]

give me a break, and take a walk.




*pertaining to your thread title*

 

[MEXCOM]

an example of religion that is not organized inthe sense catholicizm and Islam are is what a lot of tribes in North and South America believed in and what a lot of people in Afirica believe in even today ; there hundreds and thousands of these beliefs which do not contain more truth in them than christianity

And in what sense are these American/African tribal religions any different than say Catholicism? The only real difference I would say isn't in their "organization," but rather in their promoting. But then again maybe you see things differently, which is why I want specific examples.

it is just that these beliefs in general haven't done even a small fraction of the evil the big three (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) have caused so you won't hear civilised people criticise them as much

And who are these civilized people? Didn't I hand you your ass when you tried to use that same tired line on Heresy? Remember Australia and France?

Secondly do you consider yourself to be civilized or one of these "civilized people?" And if so are you more civilized than say...myself? Because I think highly of these religions. But I'd like to know your answers, because in my mind if you even have a "yes" answer to the first two questions in this paragraph then you've proven yourself to be a presumptuous prick.

by "civilicised people" I mean only those who reject the existence of any deity - you can not be considered a civilised person in the 21st century if you believe in the superstitions that people 2000 years ago created

Prove either, or better yet, both of these points. Or earn yourself the title of presumptuous prick.

I also hear a lot about "Find the God in yourself, do not rely on the church" which is just as false as organized religion

Prove it. But you can't. But I'll still love reading your circular logic.

I think any kind of belief in God and rational thinking are incompatible

I don't. Matter of fact, I think I proved otherwise. The mastery of the syntax, grammar, and lexicon that I've used shows that I have an intelligent mind, or at the very least one that grasps the idea of word structure. Your writing skills show that you write at a 7th grade level. Yet you are the "civilized mind" in this discourse and I am not [at least by your logic]. Please explain.

 

[MEXCOM]

the way I write has nothing to do with my inteligence level as I'm sure you could never write even just as well as a 7th grader in my language, in fact I'm sure you could never write even a single word in it

Y lo mismo telo dire de mi idioma.

You'll prove you have "an intelligent mind" if you can cite your intelectual accomplishments, I've done more than enough to deserve that title and I'll do much more in the future

I can cite as much as you'd like me to cite. but since you can't disprove anything I tell you it would make no sense to bother doing so. And no, you've done nothing to deserve any title other than presumptuous prick.

I told HERESY, I'm telling you: do not insult people you don't know

You mean like all the theist you insulted by callling them uncivilized?

I will not post in this thread anymore, I'll delete all my posts tomorrow

But not before I add a trophy to my sig!

 

[HERESY]

:dead:

 

[JLMACN]

i read through that but i have a specific question and i would just like to see where you guys think it comes into play. i got a friend who is a christian but makes up his own shit and chooses what to believe but he basically lives by, because his counselors or teachers at his church told him, it is better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. living by this do you think he is living a life of deliberate sin?

This is the meaning of being a christian..

EVERYONE...and i mean EVERYONE that believe in some sort of religion take the what they want out of it and apply is to their lives....THINKING...its the right way.

5000

 

[EverReadyT9X]

Ill rephrase my question, i didnt do that well on the asking of it. Ignore the fact that he chooses what to believe because he does believe in in sinning, including the 10 commandments and 7 deadly sins. If he were to acknowledge that he was going to sin, and then act on this sin. After he truly wants to be forgiven, is he forgiven if he repeatedly does this? He does not neccesarily commit the same act of sin but sinning in general. Living by this idea, would he be an unsaved believer, according to this article?

This is the meaning of being a christian..

EVERYONE...and i mean EVERYONE that believe in some sort of religion take the what they want out of it and apply is to their lives....THINKING...its the right way.

5000

Yeah i would agree with that assumption, although it is an assumption, havent met one person that doesnt live this way.

 

[2-0-NINE]

If he were to acknowledge that he was going to sin, and then act on this sin. After he truly wants to be forgiven, is he forgiven if he repeatedly does this?

It's a struggle bro, especially if you lived a life full of temptation, commonly fornication. In the bible is says you must take up your cross, and cut of the flesh, meaning the lust of your body. I have a hard time explaining this, because when I'm usually with a girl, the same things I ask The Lord to forgive me for, is the same things I'll end up doing, because the flesh wants her so bad.

He does not neccesarily commit the same act of sin but sinning in general.

That's the concept of Christianity, to repent in Jesus' name, and believe HE is Son of God, the Messiah, and God himself, John 20:28 also Isaiah 9:6. King David slept with many women, knowing the 10 commandments forbids him to commit such acts of fornication and adultery, yet God was still willing to forgive him. If you are sincere in your heart and mind, that you are willing to cut of the flesh, I'm pretty Sure Yeshua(Jesus) will help you, and send Him Ruach Adonai(The Holy Spirit) to guide you. We all struggle bro, but if he knows the consequences of the sin he is about to commit, that's up to God, not any man.

Living by this idea, would he be an unsaved believer, according to this article?

That's why each day, you must be saved, you lose salvation all the time, whenever you sin, the only way to regain your salvation, is to repent, believe, and in Believing doing good deeds. For people like Serial Murderers, Pedophiles, I don't see any chances of them being forgiven, but then again, if they repent, maybe. Saul of Tarsus, you can read about him in the Book of Acts, he killed many Messianic/Christian followers. A whole load of them, but the Lord was still willing to forgive him. As for pedophiles, I hope they rot in hell.

 

[k-nine]

didnt paul state that it is i that no longer sins but sin that dwells in me?so how could you lose your salvation if it is you that no longer sins?also salvation is a gift according to the bible you cant obtain by good deeds.

 

[k-nine]

stock how are you so sure that what you no is truth? cuz every religious person claims what they know is the truth.

 

[2-0-NINE]

Who said we're impervious to sin? Give me a scripture that says we no longer sin. The bible states that he makes our sins white as snow, and remember them no more, but that doesn't mean we won't continue to sin.

also salvation is a gift according to the bible you cant obtain by good deeds.

GOOD DEEDS THROUGH FAITH. Can you blindly believe oh, if I help that man right there, I'm automatically going to heaven, but not believe in Jesus? Then you have no substance to fill your purpose.

stock how are you so sure that what you no is truth? cuz every religious person claims what they know is the truth.

Dude, man don't even start, especially in my thread, go make another one, don't spoil this thread, LIKE I SAID, PS IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T POST, and I'm going to assume, for my purpose, that you don't like it, so leave. WHY THE HECK DO PEOPLE NEED TO DIGRESS!!!

 

[ilikeballs]

i think this is true for the most part.