Chinese muslim eunuch discovered America - 71 years before Columbus

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Did the Chinese discover America?

Wednesday 04 May 2005, 5:43 Makka Time, 2:43 GMT

Few history theories stir as much controversy as Gavin Menzies' idea that a legendary Chinese admiral discovered America, seven decades before European explorer Christopher Columbus.

Although many historians dismiss the former British naval officer's theory, including some from China, the predominantly ethnic Chinese city-state of Singapore may give it a new sheen of respectability during a three-month exhibition beginning in June.

Menzies, author of the bestseller 1421: the Year China Discovered America, says Admiral Zheng He led a fleet of 30,000 men on board 300 ships to the American continent in the 15th century to expand China's influence during the Ming dynasty.

Zheng, says Menzies, drew up maps later used by Columbus to reach America in 1492 while searching for a new route to India.

Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan also sailed with the help of Chinese-drawn maps in the 16th century, he adds.

Outdoing Columbus

"None of the great explorers discovered anything new. They all had master maps that were charted by the Chinese," said Menzies, a 67-year-old former British submarine commander who spent about 15 years researching his 490-page book.

The government-funded Singapore Tourism Board is one of several groups backing the 10 June to 11 September outdoor exhibit at the Marina Promenade, which organisers say will unveil "new information and evidence" in support of the theory that Zheng landed in America before anyone else.

The 1421 Exhibition, organised partly by Menzies himself, will also include details of a naval base which Zheng is believed to have established in Canada at a geographical site known as Nova Cataia or New Cathay, said one organiser.

Pico Art International of Singapore will also stage celebrations this year marking the 600th anniversary of Zheng's maiden voyage through Southeast Asia, when he arrived in the port of Malacca, on the west coast of modern-day Malaysia, as the Chinese emperor's envoy.

The festivities will pay tribute to a man renowned in Chinese history as the country's greatest naval commander.

Rewriting history

But whether Zheng - a Muslim eunuch known to have sailed as far as southern Africa - beat Columbus to America by a comfortable 71 years is bitterly debated.

If true, it would rewrite history books and could cause deep soul-searching in American schools.

"It's rubbish," said Geoff Wade, a senior fellow at the Asia Research Institute of the National University of Singapore. "There is no evidence to back it up."

Historical records show that from 1405 to 1433, Zheng, under the orders of Ming Emperor Zhu Di, led China's imperial Star Fleet on seven epic voyages.

Along with its 30,000 men, the fleet, the biggest of its time, carried the hopes of an ambitious emperor seeking to expand China's influence.

Historical records show that Zheng, on one trip, returned from Africa with a captive giraffe as a gift to the emperor.

According to Menzies, he accomplished far more. Menzies says Zheng also took his fleet to America and around the globe.

"There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Zheng He's fleet did indeed reach both the Atlantic and Pacific coast of North and South America," he said.

Some scholars, including Chinese academics, reject the idea as hopeful fiction. "I would be very delighted if his theory is true but his work has got nothing to do with scholarship," a Chinese historian with a Singapore university said.

"There is no methodology in his research and no support for his arguments. He makes conjectures and suddenly they become facts."

Chinese maps

Menzies, who joined the British navy at 16, admits he is no academic but insists on the authenticity of his work.

Given China's formidable naval power in the 15th century, when some historians say China boasted the world's biggest maritime fleets, only the Chinese could have charted the master maps that led European explorers around the world, said Menzies.

Historical records show Zheng He's largest wooden junk was 130m long and 60m wide, powered by nine masts of sail and manned by at least 500 men.

That makes it nearly four times bigger than Columbus's biggest ship, the Santa Maria.

Menzies cites research which he says shows the DNA of native Americans is closer to that of Chinese than Europeans or Africans. This, he says, supports his theory that some members of Zheng's fleet stayed behind in America and started families.

"The people who live today in places where the Europeans found Chinese people in North America, those people have essential Chinese DNA in their blood," said Menzies.

"The whole world owes Zheng He a huge debt."
 
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Well it's already an accepted fact that civilizations were established in the Americas before Columbus' supposed "discovery" so I don't see why white people would view this info as a threat. White people, in general, still managed to nearly wipe out all the "indigenous" people of America while firmly establishing themselves as the elite rulers of this country; so I don't think they'd really be threatened by the fact that other civilizations found America before Columbus.
 
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HERESY said:
The Lost Treasure of King Juba: The Evidence of Africans in America before Columbus


http://www.ancientamerican.com/


Do SOME white people view this info as a threat? Do they view the theories as a threat to white civilation and exploration?
it's a threat because it tares down the belief that the "technologicaly superior and civilized" europeans did a good thing "discovering" a new world and betterd half naked savages
 

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Menzies cites research which he says shows the DNA of native Americans is closer to that of Chinese than Europeans or Africans. This, he says, supports his theory that some members of Zheng's fleet stayed behind in America and started families.
The Chinese crossed the Bering Straight to America a few thousand years ago. The Bering Straight then got overflowed and disappeared, severing the connection between Asia and America. All "Native Americans" are descendents of Asia. I thought that this was common knowledge to everybody, except the author.

I'm not denying whether or not this dude found America before Columbus, but I am going to say that it has nothing to do with why Native Americans have Asian DNA. That's just stupid.
 

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Haha fuck you homie!

My points the same - dude landing in America in 1421 has nothing to do with native americans having Asian DNA.
 
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I am reading an interesting book entitled, "World Vedic Heritage: A History of Histories" by Professor P. N. Oak. Here is what he has to say...

"In the pre-Christian era humanity did have access to all lands around the globe. This is proved by several finds such as a naval bell with a Tamil inscription found on the sea-bed off Australia. A ship of the B.C. era with the image of Buddha on it was found under the ice-bound sea near Denmark. Ancient statues and temples and cities bearing a stamp of India and Vedic culture have been located in almost all continents and even in remote islands. References are available in history about Hindu naval experts assisting people in Africa and other continents to safely navigate the high seas.

"From this it should be clear that current beliefs about Columbus discovering America or some Chinese discovering America some centuries before Columbus are mere chauvinistic guesses arising from medeival ignorance. Under the world Vedic administration naval lanes from India led to all parts of the world. That is why the vast stretch of the sea from South America to Australia bears the name 'Indian Ocean'. Likewise Atlantic and Mediterranean are Sanskrit words. The White Sea and the Red Sea are translations of ancient Sanskrit names. Global navigation has been a Vedic heritage as is apparent from its Sanskrit terminology."
(pages 294 - 295)

Just to follow up on some of that...

"Mediterranean is the Sanskrit term 'Madhya-Dharaneeya' i.e. (a sea) in the middle of the (spherical) globe or the two land masses of Africa and Europe.

"The Red Sea is a translation of the Sanskrit term 'Lohit-Sagar' referred to in the Ramayana, a million-year ancient Vedic epic.

"The White Sea is the translation of the Sanskrit term 'Ksheer Sagar' i.e. the milky ocean because being snowbound it looks white."
(pages 317 - 318)

He also explains that the word navy comes from the Sanskrit 'Naa-vi' and that even the country Scandanavia comes from Sanskrit where Scanda is the name of Lord Shiva's son and the latter syllable 'naviya' is a Sanskrit word signifiying a naval expedition and settlement.
 

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^^^ That sounds like a pretty interesting book. Where do you find a book like that? Did you just find it at the store or did someone recommend it to you or what? I love reading, but I never know anything good to get.
 
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"Muslim eunich"? That's a discrepency right there. Anyone who has decent knowledge about the religion of Islam knows that the words "Muslim" and "eunich" dont go together. Not saying the rest of the info is false...but that little thing made me a little skeptical.
 
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^^^ That sounds like a pretty interesting book. Where do you find a book like that? Did you just find it at the store or did someone recommend it to you or what? I love reading, but I never know anything good to get.
I stumbled upon an article written by the same author that mentions that book. I couldn't find the book at any bookstores, nor was it on amazon.com. I ended up ordering it from an "indiaclub.com".
 
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Natives did cross the straight, but from Siberia as I understand it. I'm sure, somewhere way back in history, the Chinese had people in Siberia, and that's why they can be tied together. This guy is just a jackass for saying the Chinese came over here first without any kind of solid evidence. This guy probably believes that AMERICA was named after a Spaniard, too.