Chimpanzee 'created weapons to hurl at zoo vistors'

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Chimpanzee 'created weapons to hurl at zoo vistors'

A chimpanzee became so annoyed at being gawked at by tourists in a zoo that he started creating weapons to hurl at them, scientists have found.

Santino the chimp would calmly collect stones and fashion discs made out of concrete even when the zoo was closed, to throw at visitors when they returned.

Scientists believe his behaviour is the strongest proof yet that humans are not the only creatures which can make plans for the future.

Although he was clearly agitated and distressed when pitching his ammunition, the scientists found that Santino was always calm whenever collecting or crafting the stones.

This cool behaviour proves that he was not driven by his immediate circumstances or need, according to a new study in the journal Current Biology.

Born in Munich Zoo in 1978 Santino, a male chimpanzee, was transferred to Furuvik Zoo in Sweden when he was five years old.

Mathias Osvath, from Lund University in Sweden, who led the study, which followed the chimp's actions for more than a decade, said: "These observations convincingly show that our fellow apes do consider the future in a very complex way.

"It implies that they have a highly developed consciousness, including life-like mental simulations of potential events.

"They most probably have an 'inner world' like we have when reviewing past episodes of our lives or thinking of days to come.

"I would guess that they plan much of their everyday behaviour."

Although Santino was born in captivity, Mr Osvath believes that chimpanzees who still live in the wild also have the same ability to plan, it is just often more difficult to tell when their behaviour is based on a future rather than a current need.

"I think that wild chimpanzees might be even better at planning as they probably rely on it for their daily survival," he said.

"The environment in a zoo is far less complex than in a forest.

"Zoo chimps never have to encounter the dangers in the forest or live through periods of scarce food.

"Planning would prove its value in 'real life' much more than in a zoo."

Last month another group of researchers claimed that they had proof that animals could remember events and plan ahead after they found that, like humans, pigeons and baboons could tell pictures which showed similar items, including triangles or dots, and those which showed different kinds of items.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/4962769/Chimpanzee-created-weapons-to-hurl-at-zoo-vistors.html
 
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Chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. That's like calling a tiger a bobcat.

There have been plenty of cases of observations that support the idea that chimps can plan for the future, whether the immediate future (i.e. during hunting they take positions that require anticipation of where the prey and other hunters will move), or like this when planning for the next day.

There used to be a chimp at the SF zoo that would throw his shit at people, but I think he died. And that's nowhere near as cool as crafting weapons :siccness:
 
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Chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. That's like calling a tiger a bobcat.

There have been plenty of cases of observations that support the idea that chimps can plan for the future, whether the immediate future (i.e. during hunting they take positions that require anticipation of where the prey and other hunters will move), or like this when planning for the next day.

There used to be a chimp at the SF zoo that would throw his shit at people, but I think he died. And that's nowhere near as cool as crafting weapons :siccness:
I dont know about that analogy.... It would be like calling a chimp a human, would be a better one.

Now, I dont see how people are actually shocked by this. Chimps have opposable thumbs... Yes they can grip!

Thumbs are very important to all beings to the homo species.
 
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In terms of phylogeny, it's the same thing. Actually, it's even worse. Calling a chimpanzee a human would be far more "accurate" than calling a chimpanzee a monkey. Felids are in the same family; monkeys and apes (and humans for that matter) are in the same infraorder.

And it's not that chimps are throwing things that makes this story interesting. We've known that chimpanzees can accurately throw objects since the 1960's. At Gombe, they throw sticks and rocks at baboons. What's significant is that the chimpanzee is crafting objects that he can use in the future.

Thumbs are very important to all beings to the homo species.
What?
 
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Chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. That's like calling a tiger a bobcat.

There have been plenty of cases of observations that support the idea that chimps can plan for the future, whether the immediate future (i.e. during hunting they take positions that require anticipation of where the prey and other hunters will move), or like this when planning for the next day.

There used to be a chimp at the SF zoo that would throw his shit at people, but I think he died. And that's nowhere near as cool as crafting weapons :siccness:
who the fuck cares?
 
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In terms of phylogeny, it's the same thing. Actually, it's even worse. Calling a chimpanzee a human would be far more "accurate" than calling a chimpanzee a monkey. Felids are in the same family; monkeys and apes (and humans for that matter) are in the same infraorder.

And it's not that chimps are throwing things that makes this story interesting. We've known that chimpanzees can accurately throw objects since the 1960's. At Gombe, they throw sticks and rocks at baboons. What's significant is that the chimpanzee is crafting objects that he can use in the future.

What?
If chimps didnt have thumbs they couldnt grip... The fact that they are smart would be irrelevant if they couldnt grip a tool or a rock.

It would be a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

If someone uses Darwins ideology a chimp would be more viable to humanity and society on general principal then any paraplegic human of average intelligence.
 
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who the fuck cares?
I figured if you want to talk about something you'd want to know what it is you're talking about.

swoop187 said:
If chimps didnt have thumbs they couldnt grip... The fact that they are smart would be irrelevant if they couldnt grip a tool or a rock.

It would be a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
Just because they have opposable thumbs doesn't mean they can automatically throw things. And just because they have opposable thumbs doesn't mean they can plan for the future. Just because opposable thumbs are necessary for them to be able to throw things doesn't mean you can reduce the behavior to "they have opposable thumbs", meanwhile completely neglecting the intelligence part of it all.

If someone uses Darwins ideology a chimp would be more viable to humanity and society on general principal then any paraplegic human of average intelligence.
And what is Darwin's ideology?