i wasnt trying to talk shit. im just wondering why this was defeated when chavez has enjoyed lopsided victories in the past? is it possible the people like him but dont want to be stuck with him in case he goes hitler on them? im just wondering. dont get all butthurt ladies because your commie hero didnt get what he wanted. he was winning landslide elections, why was this measure defeated?
chavez's dictatorship rejected by the people
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so its not possible that people just didnt want to give him the dictatorial powers he was seeking? can you admit that? or was it a cia conspiracy? is it just possible? or not? in your opinion. maybe his supporters did come out but just not to support his far reaching power grab? let me guess, propaganda, because chavez would never do anything wrong right?
Again you're playin yourself as a sucka philip. There was nothing dictatorial about this. It is more democratic than the U.S. system you love.
The eroded student base, generally speaking, = former Chavez supporters that came out against the reforms.
Polls and election results show that there was some of the lowest voter turn out during this reform vote than during all of Chavez’s presidency. They also show poor turn out from his base of support among the poor & working class. They didn’t vote No, they didn’t vote.
The CIA was prepared for the victory for Chavez. But they also funneled tons of money into “No” campaigns and opposition groups. The Catholic Church from the Pope down has been anti-chavez from jump and they are getting involved in Venezuelan politics to the point where they might as well run for office and form a political party.
The eroded student base, generally speaking, = former Chavez supporters that came out against the reforms.
Polls and election results show that there was some of the lowest voter turn out during this reform vote than during all of Chavez’s presidency. They also show poor turn out from his base of support among the poor & working class. They didn’t vote No, they didn’t vote.
The CIA was prepared for the victory for Chavez. But they also funneled tons of money into “No” campaigns and opposition groups. The Catholic Church from the Pope down has been anti-chavez from jump and they are getting involved in Venezuelan politics to the point where they might as well run for office and form a political party.
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer
Fri Dec 14, 2:16 PM ET
Hugo Chavez constantly urges his supporters to reject "savage capitalism," but allies of Venezuela's president have been slow to embrace his socialist values — and some are struggling to explain their consumption of luxury goods.
Justice Minister Pedro Carreno became the subject of widespread criticism and ridicule by local media this week, when a journalist asked if it wasn't contradictory to attack capitalism while sporting a $180 Louis Vuitton tie and $500 Gucci shoes.
Apparently caught off guard, Carreno stammered unintelligibly for a few seconds before responding: "It's not contradictory because I would like Venezuela to produce all this, that way I could purchase things produced here instead of 95 percent of what we consume being imported."
Poking fun at Carreno in an editorial published in the Tal Cual daily on Friday, comedian Laureano Marquez wrote a fictional response from the government official.
"Do you think that I, as a revolutionary, am not disgusted by having this imperialist trash around my neck? Of course, but I don't have any other option while locally made ties are not produced," Marquez wrote.
A video clip of Carreno's statements had been viewed more than 20,000 times on Friday, two days after it was posted on the YouTube Web site.
Chavez — a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro — preaches socialist ideals, but persuading Venezuelans to adopt more austere lifestyles has been a daunting task in this oil-rich South American country characterized by unchecked consumerism.
Carreno isn't the only government official with a penchant for well-to-do outfits or luxury cars.
Information Minister Willian Lara often wears Tommy Hilfiger jackets, although they are red — the color of Chavez's ruling party. And Luis Acosta, the pro-Chavez governor of Carabobo state, argued last year that authorities can purchase expensive cars without sacrificing their revolutionary ideals.
"Is it that we revolutionaries don't have the right to have a Hummer or a car? If we make money, we can do it," Acosta said.
Such statements — and shows of opulence among some of Chavez's closest allies — prompted the socialist president to later reprimand supporters for failing to shed their materialist ways.
Threatening to impose new taxes on luxury goods in October, Chavez said: "What kind of revolution is this? The Whisky Revolution? The Hummer Revolution? No, this is a real revolution!"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071214...m&printer=1;_ylt=AnpqWWERUn7IMtL6nBrsqXq9IxIF
Fri Dec 14, 2:16 PM ET
Hugo Chavez constantly urges his supporters to reject "savage capitalism," but allies of Venezuela's president have been slow to embrace his socialist values — and some are struggling to explain their consumption of luxury goods.
Justice Minister Pedro Carreno became the subject of widespread criticism and ridicule by local media this week, when a journalist asked if it wasn't contradictory to attack capitalism while sporting a $180 Louis Vuitton tie and $500 Gucci shoes.
Apparently caught off guard, Carreno stammered unintelligibly for a few seconds before responding: "It's not contradictory because I would like Venezuela to produce all this, that way I could purchase things produced here instead of 95 percent of what we consume being imported."
Poking fun at Carreno in an editorial published in the Tal Cual daily on Friday, comedian Laureano Marquez wrote a fictional response from the government official.
"Do you think that I, as a revolutionary, am not disgusted by having this imperialist trash around my neck? Of course, but I don't have any other option while locally made ties are not produced," Marquez wrote.
A video clip of Carreno's statements had been viewed more than 20,000 times on Friday, two days after it was posted on the YouTube Web site.
Chavez — a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro — preaches socialist ideals, but persuading Venezuelans to adopt more austere lifestyles has been a daunting task in this oil-rich South American country characterized by unchecked consumerism.
Carreno isn't the only government official with a penchant for well-to-do outfits or luxury cars.
Information Minister Willian Lara often wears Tommy Hilfiger jackets, although they are red — the color of Chavez's ruling party. And Luis Acosta, the pro-Chavez governor of Carabobo state, argued last year that authorities can purchase expensive cars without sacrificing their revolutionary ideals.
"Is it that we revolutionaries don't have the right to have a Hummer or a car? If we make money, we can do it," Acosta said.
Such statements — and shows of opulence among some of Chavez's closest allies — prompted the socialist president to later reprimand supporters for failing to shed their materialist ways.
Threatening to impose new taxes on luxury goods in October, Chavez said: "What kind of revolution is this? The Whisky Revolution? The Hummer Revolution? No, this is a real revolution!"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071214...m&printer=1;_ylt=AnpqWWERUn7IMtL6nBrsqXq9IxIF
A few quick points:
Adolf = Nazi/Fascist, not a democratic socialist or a communist or anything of the like (they are polar opposites).
Chavez has a high approval rating. He was recently reelected by a wide margin.
Venezuela is still a capitalist country, make no mistakes about it. A country cannot, and never has, transitioned from capitalism to socialism over night. It takes time. I wouldn't doubt that some of what the article you posted is true - there are some still in the government that do not honestly share Chavez' philosophy of "the road to socialism" and are still stuck in their capitalist ways.
btw, when are you going to join the communist party, as we discussed?
Adolf = Nazi/Fascist, not a democratic socialist or a communist or anything of the like (they are polar opposites).
Chavez has a high approval rating. He was recently reelected by a wide margin.
Venezuela is still a capitalist country, make no mistakes about it. A country cannot, and never has, transitioned from capitalism to socialism over night. It takes time. I wouldn't doubt that some of what the article you posted is true - there are some still in the government that do not honestly share Chavez' philosophy of "the road to socialism" and are still stuck in their capitalist ways.
btw, when are you going to join the communist party, as we discussed?