California Earthquake Could Be the Next Katrina

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First on the list was a terrorist attack in New York. Second was a super-strength hurricane hitting New Orleans. Third was a major earthquake on the San Andreas fault.

Now that the first two have come to pass, she and other earthquake experts are using the devastating aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as an opportunity to reassess how California would handle a major temblor.

Jones, scientist-in-charge for the geological survey's Southern California Earthquake Hazards Team, and other experts generally agree that California has come a long way in the last two decades in seismic safety.

In Los Angeles, all but one of 8,700 unreinforced masonry buildings — considered the most likely to collapse in a major quake — have been retrofitted or demolished. The state spent billions after the 1994 Northridge quake to retrofit more than 2,100 freeway overpasses, reporting this week that only a handful remain unreinforced.

Despite these improvements, however, officials believe that a major temblor could cause the level of destruction and disruption seen over the last week on the Gulf Coast.

More than 900 hospital buildings that state officials have identified as needing either retrofitting or total replacement have yet to receive them, and the state recently agreed to five-year extensions to hospitals that can't meet the 2008 deadline to make the fixes. More than 7,000 school buildings across the state would also be vulnerable during a huge temblor, a state study found, though there is no firm timetable for upgrading the structures.

And four Los Angeles Police Department facilities — including the Parker Center headquarters in downtown — worry officials, because they were built to primitive earthquake standards and might not survive a major temblor. Only two of the LAPD's 19 stations meet the most rigorous quake-safe rules.

"We could be dealing with infrastructure issues a lot like New Orleans," Jones said. "Our natural gas passes through the Cajon Pass…. Water — three pipelines — cross the San Andreas fault in an area that is expected to go in an earthquake." Railway lines are also vulnerable, she said.

A catastrophic temblor at the right spot along the San Andreas could significantly reduce energy and water supplies — at least temporarily, she and others said. Researchers at the Southern California Earthquake Center said there is an 80% to 90% chance that a temblor of 7.0 or greater magnitude will strike Southern California before 2024.

"We aren't anywhere close to where I wish we were" in terms of seismic safety, Jones said.

Seismologists are particularly concerned about a type of vulnerable building that has received far less attention than unreinforced masonry.

There are about 40,000 structures in California made from "non-ductile reinforced concrete," a rigid substance susceptible to cracking. This was a common construction ingredient for office buildings in the 1950s and '60s, before the state instituted stricter standards. Few such structures have been seismically retrofitted, officials said.

Seismic safety advocates have also recently lost some major battles in Sacramento. The state rejected a proposal from the Seismic Safety Commission in the wake of the 2003 San Simeon earthquake to force owners of unreinforced masonry buildings to post warning signs. In that quake, two women died when the roof slid off of a two-story Paso Robles brick building where they worked.

Last week, the Legislature sent to the governor's desk a bill that encourages local governments to develop retrofitting programs for "soft story" wood-frame apartment buildings.

There are an estimated 70,000 such structures in the state, and experts worry that they could sustain major quake damage, because they often have tuck-under parking and lack solid walls at their bases.

The danger of this kind of construction was illustrated in the 1994 collapse of the Northridge Meadows apartment complex, in which 16 residents were killed.

There are other potential safety gaps as well.

Although Los Angeles, Long Beach, Pasadena and several other cities have reinforced almost all their masonry buildings, about a third of such structures across the state remain unprotected, said Frank Turner, an engineer with the Seismic Safety Commission.

A state study published last year on hazard reduction paints a sobering picture of California's earthquake danger. About 62% of the population lives in a zone of high earthquake danger, including 100% of the population of Ventura County, 99% of Los Angeles County and 92% of Riverside County.

Since 1971, there have been at least 13 earthquakes of magnitude 6.0 or greater in the state, and research conducted after the 1989 Loma Prieta quake in the Bay Area found a 62% probability that at least one earthquake of magnitude 6.7 or more would strike the Bay Area before 2032.

"We're pretty confident we have some of the best buildings in the world here, but … there are always going to be losses, because these are extraordinary events," Turner said.

Still, Southern California's geography could help prevent a catastrophe on the scale of that in New Orleans.

Because the Los Angeles region is so much larger than the Louisiana city, it is difficult to conceive of a disaster — "short of an A-bomb" — that would blanket the whole city, let alone the whole county, in ruin, said Lee Sapaden, a spokesman for Los Angeles County's Office of Emergency Management.

Earthquakes tend to do the most damage closest to the epicenters. The 1994 Northridge quake, for example, damaged a large swath of the San Fernando Valley as well as parts of Hollywood and the Westside. But areas farther to the east and south, such as Long Beach and Orange County, saw little damage.

A large quake in the Valley would probably still allow emergency supplies and rescuers to reach the area from other locations such as the San Gabriel Valley and South Bay, Sapaden said.

Emergency crews would have better mobility than those in New Orleans, he added, because even if freeways were wrecked, aid would probably be able to get through the vast majority of areas on surface streets. "Here in Southern California, Riverside, San Bernardino, Orange and Santa Barbara counties would help us out, just like we would help them," he said.

One of the biggest concerns of seismic safety officials is the fate of hospitals.

The 1971 Sylmar earthquake pushed Olive View Medical Center a foot off its foundation, causing the first floor to collapse, killing three patients and a hospital worker. The 1994 Northridge quake knocked 23 hospitals temporarily out of service.

After that quake, the Legislature passed a law requiring that hospitals retrofit buildings to withstand a major temblor or replace them with new ones. About 78% of hospitals have at least one building deemed at risk, said Jan Emerson, spokeswoman for the California Hospital Assn.

But hospitals, many of which are fighting budget problems, have balked at the price tag — estimated at $24 billion for 2002-2030 — and in many cases have successfully pushed Sacramento to delay the retrofitting deadline. The state has already granted about 200 requests for extensions to make the necessary repairs by 2013, according to a state document.

Safety officials said more work is also needed at schools.

A 2002 state study found that more than 7,500 school buildings across California are expected to "perform poorly" in a major temblor.

The Los Angeles Unified School District has completed seismic upgrades to nearly 2,000 buildings, spending $222 million on the effort, according to Richard Luke, director of design for the district.

But the district has not finished upgrades on 600 portable buildings and will look at an additional 239 buildings identified by the Division of State Architect as possibly performing poorly during a major quake.

Jones of the geological survey and Turner of the Seismic Safety Commission believe that one worst-case scenario would involve a massive temblor on the San Andreas fault around where major utility lines run, possibly compromising water and power supplies.
 

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We should not be at all surprised if something similar to Hurricane Katrina mirrors itself in California," Turner said. "There have been lots of articles written about the failure of levees in the [Sacramento-San Joaquin] Delta, the loss of drinking water in California. This is just the tip of the iceberg."

About 60% of Southern California's water is imported from outside the region in three major aqueducts that cross the San Andreas fault, making them particularly vulnerable to major earthquake damage.

One branch of the 444-mile California Aqueduct, which carries water from the delta, virtually sits on top of the fault for a few miles near Palmdale. A second aqueduct from the Colorado River crosses the fault near Beaumont. And the Los Angeles Aqueduct, which transports snowmelt from the eastern Sierra, runs across the San Andreas in a mountain tunnel between Lancaster and Santa Clarita.

Southern California water managers say they've made progress in recent years building local reserves they could turn to if they lost water from one or more of the transport systems.

With such efforts, "we feel even more confident we are able to provide sufficient water to sustain us during an earthquake," said Debra Man, chief operating officer of the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, the region's main water wholesaler.

Jim McDaniels, chief operating officer for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power's water system, said that if disaster struck, the DWP could double its groundwater pumping within the basin and draw from its four big local reservoirs.

Major gas lines also come into Southern California over the San Andreas at several points, including at Indio, Palmdale, the Cajon Pass and the Tejon Ranch. Still, officials at the Southern California Gas Co. expressed confidence that the system could withstand a strong earthquake, noting they have been upgrading the pipeline for years.

Another open question is whether the major quake would cause damage to fire stations, police headquarters and facilities of other emergency agencies, possibly slowing their response. A state study found that many of the 1,300 emergency operations buildings were constructed before strict quake building standards were enacted in 1986, and that only a portion of those had been retrofitted.

At the LAPD, the only four facilities to meet the most recent and rigorous "essential building" standards are the department's newest: the West Valley and Mission police stations and two 911 dispatch centers.

Yvette Sanchez-Owens, head of the department's facilities management office, said she is most concerned about three stations built in the 1960s: Rampart, Hollenbeck and Harbor. Police officers at the Harbor station in San Pedro have been relocated to trailers while a new station is built; officers could be moved out of the Hollenbeck station in Boyle Heights sometime this fall as preparation for construction of a new station begins.

As for Parker Center, it already sustained significant damage during the Northridge earthquake. It is also scheduled to be replaced, but not for several years.

"It could be in real trouble," Sanchez-Owens said. "It's definitely not built up to standard."
 

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yeah i was thinking when that katrina hit, if there was a earthquake in the bay. people would panic and it be chaos out here. for real!- americans panic and thats a bad look, but ill be waiting on my porch with my ak if anyone tries too come and loot.- please believe it.
 
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^ of course you will know the date and time of the earthquake before it happens right?

lol

yeah i think im lootin this time around...fuck that, im hittin the pharmacy, the cannabis clubs, the jewerly stores and a bunch of other shit...if im still alive that is....


this earthquake is gonna suck...
 

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You figure after '89 we would have fixed all that with siesmic refiting and what not....

Oh well I plan on finding a bunch of stuff- computers, dvd players, sterios, you know shit that wont work without power cause I need it so much
 
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you guys ever hear that theory that if that big quake hits and i mean the big one, california will end up being a bunch of islands? that shit got me thinking...
 
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Fuck all that shit.

There's a volcano in the Canary Islands. It's formed all lopsided and shit, and there's a HUGE fucking section of it that basically hangs over the atlantic ocean. Geologists have called the structural integrity of this volcano into question, saying that at ANY MOMENT this massive section could break off of the mountain, fall into the ocean, create a tidal wave that will CROSS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN IN SIX HOURS AND DESTROY THE EASTERN SEABOARD.

I read about this like a year ago.

And what about Yellowstone Park? That fucker's ready to blow up half the continent any day now.
 
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Hopefully the Bay Area breaks off from the rest of the state and the rest of the country. That way the rest of the idiots around California who wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger to be Governor can keep him for themselves. Even better, maybe we can be our own country and pick our own President, because the Bay Area didn't want Bush to be President like the rest of the state/country did. (THANKS GUYS!)
 
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Hopefully the Bay Area breaks off from the rest of the state and the rest of the country. That way the rest of the idiots around California who wanted Arnold Schwarzenegger to be Governor can keep him for themselves. Even better, maybe we can be our own country and pick our own President, because the Bay Area didn't want Bush to be President like the rest of the state/country did. (THANKS GUYS!)
This is a stupid comment.. Seriously, did you even think before you clicced "Submit Reply"??? Sure you feel that way now, that's until that shit breaks off and you'll be looking for the support from the rest of the state/country. The funny thing is you're the typical bay area resident cause theres a bunch of niggas up there thinks exactly the way you do.. Everything started in the bay and everyone steals from the bay...
 
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This is a stupid comment..
Contagious Locc said:
Seriously, did you even think before you clicced "Submit Reply"??? Sure you feel that way now, that's until that shit breaks off and you'll be looking for the support from the rest of the state/country. The funny thing is you're the typical bay area resident cause theres a bunch of niggas up there thinks exactly the way you do.. Everything started in the bay and everyone steals from the bay...
How ironic!

PS: It's called sarcasm, look it up.
 
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this is the reason people do need guns. when shit hits the fan people will be looting, just like in louisiana. people without protection will be fucked and get robbed. not only is the water system an issue if there is a quake. tsunamis are a huge threat. all it takes is for the quake to hit the right spot and cause water displacment. I bet it has happened before. The west was only discovered 600 years ago. that is baby steps as far as mother nature and time.

Worst thing is, california is ran by a bunch of stupid ass liberals that will crack under pressure. liberals tend to add drama to every situation possible. if an ordeal such as a tsunami, or a quake happened on a huge scale, cali will be fucked.
 
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well... it has finally happend...

Tsunami hits Crescent City
Series of 5- to 6-foot surges wrecks docks, sinks ship hours after 8.1 quake in Japan

A tsunami generated by a powerful earthquake in Japan struck the small Northern California fishing port of Crescent City Wednesday, destroying docks, sinking a boat and fraying nerves.

Bill Steven, a commander with the Del Norte County Sheriff's Department, said the tsunami was "more a series of big surges rather than waves," but he said the damage to the town's harbor was significant.

The surges were reported at 5 to 6 feet high.

"The water surged back and forth like a river, and our docks aren't designed to handle swift water," Steven said. "About 50 percent of the harbor was affected. There's a lot of torn-up foam, wood and concrete. We know at least one boat was sunk, and we had to round up about 12 more that were torn from their moorings."

Steven said no fatalities or injuries were reported.

Crescent City residents are particularly sensitive to tsunami threats. The town was struck by a 21-foot-high tsunami in 1964 that killed 11 people and destroyed most of the town center.

Steven said Del Norte County officials received a notification from the National Weather Service Wednesday morning that a 3- to 5-foot surge resulting from an 8.1 magnitude quake in Japan would hit the Crescent City region at about 11:40 a.m. "We did have a very small surge at that time, and then everybody went back to business as usual," Steven said.

Then at around 2:30, Steven said, residents noticed an ominous sign -- water started running out of the town's harbor, a classic indication of an approaching tsunami.

"You don't like to see that," Steven said. "It looked like a very fast river."

But instead of a large wave, Steven said, the tsunami was manifested as another large surge flowing back into the harbor.

"It went on like that until about 5 p.m., maybe later," Steven said. "Just like a big river surging back and forth. It really hammered our docks. Pieces had to be tied off, whole sections disappeared."

Harbormaster Richard Young, who described the event as a "river within the ocean," estimated the damage to the docks and boats at around $700,000.

Steven said the surges came at a particularly inopportune time for the close-knit, isolated fishing community.

"Everybody was just getting warmed up for the Dungeness crab season," he said. "Unfortunately, this could really slow things down."

Steven, who was born the year after the killer waves hit the town in 1964, said his father often reminisced about the event.

"He was especially amazed by the tremendous field of debris it left," he said. "It's still a major topic of conversation in this town."

A tsunami warning system for the Pacific Coast has since been put in place, but residents say it failed to alert them to Wednesday's surges.

"We hear sirens all the time, but we didn't hear anything for this thing," said Don Thomsen, the manager of the Curly Redwood Lodge. Thomsen said there are three stages to a tsunami alert.

"First you have a warning, then a watch, and then it's get the hell out of town," he said.

Thomsen said he was not aware of Wednesday's tsunami until he heard about it from other townspeople.

"We're only three blocks from the harbor," he said. "We didn't know it was coming."

The incident raised concerns about the efficacy of Northern California's tsunami warning system, which is largely managed by the National Weather Service.

"I just think it somehow got past people," Steven said.

The National Weather Service could not be reached for comment.

Steven said a tsunami warning is not in effect for the North Coast.

"We are asking people to stay away from the harbor unless they're boat owners, and we need them to exercise caution at the beaches," he said.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/16/TSUNAMI.TMP
 
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well... it has finally happend...

Tsunami hits Crescent City
Series of 5- to 6-foot surges wrecks docks, sinks ship hours after 8.1 quake in Japan
Crazy.

On Tuesday, the coast from Washington all the way up to Alaska had a Tsunami warning.Wow were they off.