Bush vetoes child health insurance plan

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Bush’s side:

He believes it is a step towards socialized medicine. Government shouldn't be paying for people's health. If they want their kids to go to the doctor - work harder. Rich people work hard and they provide for their kids - poor people can do the same.

Why should your hard earned money go towards higher taxes to pay for someone else’s kid to go to the doctor when they aren't working hard enough to send them on their own?

Additionally if the government starts paying for more and more health care it will push out businesses in insurance, etc and lower the quality of health care available because theirs is no incentive for innovation.

Also as these people have greater and greater access to free medical care they will be more likely to abuse it by going to the doctor regularly because it is "free" rather than only going when necessary - raises the cost of health care and the tax burden on people.

Other side:

How are you going to tell a poor dying kid that he can’t go to the doctor because his parents make too much money so they aren’t classified as poor – yet they still can’t afford to send him to the doctor? How are you going to tell a parent that?

Children – healthy ones at that are good policy when it comes election time. Can’t kiss babies if they are dying due to lack of health care.

There are a lot of other motivations on the other side because it represents a good cross section of the congress. The above are the closest to unifying issues that there are among them.



It should be noted that this was all to be paid for by an increase in the national cigarette tax from 60 cents to $1. Can bet that had some influence on the votes on both sides.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
It should be noted that this was all to be paid for by an increase in the national cigarette tax from 60 cents to $1. Can bet that had some influence on the votes on both sides.
Our tax dollars can go to war, but $1 extra cigarette tax can't help those that actually need it. interesting
 

MzCiN

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Lamberto Quintero said:
And how...

Solution: Legalize Marijuana and tax it, use the money for a healthcare system. There's plenty of money to be made.
lol...... id still hate the fucker
 

MzCiN

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Lamberto Quintero said:
^^ He wouldn't do it. I'm saying that's a solution the the nationwide healthcar "problem"...
yea but he gets his kicks of helpin the rich get richer..... so ofcourse he wouldnt do it
 
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GTS said:
Our tax dollars can go to war, but $1 extra cigarette tax can't help those that actually need it. interesting

Yup pretty much......America the great!!!!
1.5 Billion more american dollars that is.
 
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Actually here's one of the main reasons it was shot down:

From the R.T.D.A. ( Retail Tobacco Dealers of America )

" As some of you may already know, the United States Senate is currently considering legislation that will excesively Tax all premium tobacco products. The proposed taxes in the current Senate Finance Committe proposal to fund expansion of the State Childrens Health Insuarnce Program (SCHIP) soley through higher tabacco taxes will have a draconian impact on the cigar industry. Indeed, it is the biggest threat to the industry since President Clinton's proposal in the early 1990s to fund universal health care on the back of the tabacco industry.

Under the current proposal, the large cigar tax rate would increase 156.4% ( from 20.719% to 53.13% of the manufacturer's selling price ) and the current tax cap would of around $0.05 per cigar would increase to an astounding 20,413% to $10 per cigar - essentially making the cap irrelevant. All large would effectively be taxed at 53.13% of the manufacturer's selling price. IN ALL OF THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE, NO OTHER PRODUCT IS SUBJECT TO AN EXCISE TAX THAT APPROACHES THIS LEVEL. "
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Pretty much what the bill would have done is Sunk every small tobacco store in the country...and seeing is how no one would pay for premium Tobacco at that price, there would be no money for the Insurance plan.....and it would create a Black market for the Cigar/ premium Tobacco industry.
 
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SecondzAway said:
Pretty much what the bill would have done is Sunk every small tobacco store in the country...and seeing is how no one would pay for premium Tobacco at that price, there would be no money for the Insurance plan.....and it would create a Black market for the Cigar/ premium Tobacco industry.

What planet are you from?
 
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GTS said:
Our tax dollars can go to war, but $1 extra cigarette tax can't help those that actually need it. interesting
Good point!! How can any medical insurance for low income children be turned down when there asking for another 101 Billions dollars for Iraq war.
 
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Legalize Marijuana and tax it, use the money for a healthcare system.
In California, the stores that sell medical marijuana offered to pay 1 BILLION dollars to the state a few weeks ago to balance the budget in effect not needing to cut funding to any programs, but Arnold denied the voluntary tax.
Indeed, it is the biggest threat to the industry since President Clinton's proposal in the early 1990s
What was the name of that tax? The Sin tax. There is a word for that.
 
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ColdBlooded said:
What planet are you from?
this one last time I checked.....

If that bill had past, you could have realistically added $13-17.00 to the price of EVERY Cigar......your average person has a hard enough time paying $10.00 a stick......Think of all the small Cigar/Premium Tobacco stores in America. Had the Tax increase actually have taken effect, they would have all gone under. Nobody would pay those prices. Those Businesses would soon be forced to shut down. With all of those stores shutting down and people not being able to afford Premium tobacco here in the states...there wouldn't be any money comming into the Gov. from the tax ( On the tobacco end )

I took this bill personally because I manage a Local Cigar shop...I'm glad it was shot down...let them find something else to tax
 
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FreedomLost said:
In California, the stores that sell medical marijuana offered to pay 1 BILLION dollars to the state a few weeks ago to balance the budget in effect not needing to cut funding to any programs, but Arnold denied the voluntary tax.
What was the name of that tax? The Sin tax. There is a word for that.

link?