Bush/Cheney should not be on Florida ballot

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Nader just recently won the right to have his name on the Florida Ballot on Sept. 17th after a long battle in court. He is currently on 38 states with several pending court decisions. Peep the map, HERE

The Democratic party spent all of their efforts trying to keep Nader off the ballet, while the Bush campaign filed its election documents with the secretary of state's office in Tallahassee a day late, thanks to the Republican Party's decision to hold its nominating convention so unprecedentedly late (and conveniently close to the 9/11 anniversary). Technically, that late filing should have prevented Bush’s name from appearing on Florida ballots in November. But did Democrats seek to make the state follow the letter of the law? No. The Democratic Party, incredibly, gave Republicans a pass and failed to challenge them! (Just imagine what would have happened had Kerry's people or Nader's people filed their papers a day late…)

On a side note: 59% of americans want Nader allowed in the debates.

I love democracy
 
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With Nader, Dems unfair at any speed
By Thomas Keane Jr.
Wednesday, September 29, 2004

Tomorrow night's debate in Coral Gables, Fla., will be missing someone: Ralph Nader. The center stage of the 2004 presidential circus has been the contest between George W. Bush and John Kerry [related, bio] - a battle that promises to become even more aggressive and vitriolic than it is right now. Yet a significant sideshow has been the saga of Ralph Nader, the man who beat Al Gore, the Republicans' secret weapon, the Democrats' bane - and a candidate whose shameful treatment raises disturbing questions about the state of American democracy.

The problem is this: Rather than running a campaign, Nader has had to spend his time and money simply getting on the ballot.

As of this writing, voters in 31 states will be able to vote for Nader. Those in the other 19 - including California and Virginia - won't have that opportunity. Even this number has come about only after arduous efforts by the Nader camp.

And why has Nader encountered such difficulty? Because the Democratic Party has gone out of its way to stop him. Democrats or their surrogates have fought Nader's right to be on the ballot at every step along the way. Sometimes they've been successful; recent decisions in Oregon, Arkansas and New Mexico so far have gone against Nader. In other cases, they've lost; the Florida Supreme Court just last week reversed a lower court order and put Nader back on the ballot.

Of course, it's easy to see why the Democrats are making this effort. As far as they're concerned, Nader cost them the 2000 election. Democrats fear a repeat. Nader appeals to the hard-core antiwar crowd, many of whom see only differences of degree between Kerry and Bush's position on Iraq. Those are votes, Democrats argue, that otherwise would go to Kerry.

So the Democrats' tactics are understandable - not admirable, but understandable. They are much like a tavern owner who fights to stop the awarding of a liquor license to an upstart. They don't want competition.

What is not understandable, however, is that we allow this game to be played at all.

After encountering the same kinds of problems in his 2000 campaign (proving, by the way, that Republicans hold no moral superiority to Democrats when it comes to ballot-access issues), Sen. John McCain helped create the Reform Institute, a nonprofit that focuses how we administer elections. The institute surveyed all 50 states. The results were depressing. With only two exceptions (Connecticut and Georgia), states go out of their way to favor nominees from the two main parties and to disadvantage the rest. Typically, this means making it easy for Republicans and Democrats to get on the ballot while raising the bar for anyone else. In Florida, for example, major party candidates get on the ballot automatically; others need over 90,000 signatures. California requires over 150,000 signatures for independents and third parties, but only 26,000 for nominees by the two major parities.

On top of that, the technicalities of signature gathering make it hard for less well-organized candidates. New York and Wisconsin require signatures be turned in nine months prior to an election. Virginia only allows residents to sign one petition. Other states have requirements about notarization or arcane rules about the form of a person's signature and address.

And why? The rationales behind the signature requirements are laughable. Some assert they exist to ensure only ``serious'' candidates appear. Others claim voters would be confused by too many names on a ballot (although, as the Reform Institute points out, the California gubernatorial recall election, with 135 candidates, posed no such problem).

In fact, it's almost impossible to escape the conclusion that the goal is to maintain the power of the major parties.

I hold no particular brief for Ralph Nader. I think him an unpleasant, curmudgeonly and self-centered man. And given that I'd prefer Kerry win, there's part of me that can't help but take pleasure in his travails.

But so what? This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. Nader should be an available choice to voters. The fact that he is not breeds cynicism, stifles debate and makes U.S. elections look like the charades once practiced in Soviet Russia.

The lesson many people took from the mess Florida made of its presidential election four years ago was that the right to have one's vote counted is of critical importance. Equally important, however, is the right to vote for whom you wish. Fighting to keep Nader off the ballot subverts democracy as surely as did discarded ballots in 2000.
 
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Speaking to what was said about Florida four yrs ago...I heard a quote on the radio yeserday, I think it's called "Pacific" or "Pacifica" radio, that said a black person in the US has a 1000%...that's right 1000% more of a chance of their vote not being counted than a white person...democracy reigns.
 
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I want to see Nader in the debates to. He could rock the boat that no democrat or republican has the balls to do. All he has to loose is the money he already wasted on a election he's garunteed to loose.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
Speaking to what was said about Florida four yrs ago...I heard a quote on the radio yeserday, I think it's called "Pacific" or "Pacifica" radio, that said a black person in the US has a 1000%...that's right 1000% more of a chance of their vote not being counted than a white person...democracy reigns.
Pacifica Radio,, they have some really good shows, especialy "democracy now" at 9am.
 
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BaSICCally said:
I want to see Nader in the debates to. He could rock the boat that no democrat or republican has the balls to do. All he has to loose is the money he already wasted on a election he's garunteed to loose.
Nader is going to be at Seattle Center (Rainier Room) this Sunday, 1:00pm. I've been helping out with organizing the event. Were expecting hopefully around 1,000 people.
 

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i cant believe people who support kerry dare mention florida and "voter disenfranchisement" when the democrats have been doing it blatantly by hiring how many lawyers to make sure he's not on ballots? WHERES THE OUTCRY!!!???!!! hes not going to be on ohios ballots either. which is sad because id actually vote for him if i could. bush and kerry have left me with a bad taste in my mouth. its detrimental to our country not including nader in the debate.