Bush, Bernanke, and Paulson have been wrong

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They have been wrong on everything going on in the economy, they are actually making it worse, not to mention they are inflating our currency by printing tons of money, now they want to buy off bank stocks. This is all going to cause a serious depression, the fall of the dollar is coming soon. Say goodbye to the US Empire.

You can't save free markets by socialism, I don't know where this idea
ever came from. You save free markets by promoting free markets and
sound money and balanced budgets. The whole reason why nobody wants to address the real problem is, we're spending a trillion dollars a year overseas running an empire, and it's coming to an end. This country is bankrupt, and we won't admit it. Eventually though, the dollar will go bust, and we will bring our troops home, and we will live within our means, but we ought to do it sensibly, rather than waiting for the collapse of the dollar, and this is what we're doing, we're on the verge of destroying our dollar. And then, you think we have problems now, problems then will be a lot worse, it'd look like the Weimar Republic, or a third world nation. And a lot of people know that, and they're scared to death, but we don't need to be making the problem worse by just propping up everything with more government programs, more inflation, and more helicopters, it won't work.
 
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overhauling a whole system (as corrupt as it is) will be a huge fiasco if it ever happens.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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So when the government buys off companies or banks, its corporatism?
Or corptocracy.

This can be a turning point. Capitalists need to choose a side. They can either accept corporatism and the inevitable results or confront it. Unfortunately it appears they are choosing easy street.

It opens up a can of worms that can easily lead to strict regulation and control of the economy. Private ownership of industry will be "preserved", but will be submitted to detailed state regulation and extensive wage and price controls. These will have less to do with the private interests of business and the citizenry and more to do with insuring the priority of the government's objectives.

Those objectives include, under the guise of solving the economic crisis, to strip away welfare services and to destroy the unions once and for all. As the crisis continues so does the prospect of seeing falling wages, rising prices, the dissolution of the trade unions, and an increase in the working week. There will then be an emphasis on the absolute necessity of complete national unity to confront this problem and others that get lumped in with it.


I would rather call it welfare for the rich.
Call it what you want. But socialism is not accurate in the least.
 
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Government intervention is what got us into this mess. The government thinks that getting in the way of a free market will solve the economic crisis, it will actually make it worse, Economic Stabilization? ya right, its a bail out. Why do you think our national debt had rose? they pumped out about over a trillion dolllars this year. How is this going to help the market if the government is inflating our currency? DOW is up 401 points today, tomorrow will be in the negatives again. We will be seeing the same patterns for a while. If the government keeps inflating the dollar, this crisis will last for about a decade. Once the dollar dies, which it will soon since the government keeps making bad moves. Say goodbye to the hegemony of the US.
 
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Stocks end mixed in late slide after Fed rate cut

By TIM PARADIS, AP Business Writer Tim Paradis, Ap Business Writer – 19 mins ago

NEW YORK – Wall Street received the interest rate cut it wanted, but still turned in a baffling late-day performance Wednesday, shooting higher and then skidding lower in the very last minutes of trading as some investors rushed to cash in profits after the previous session's big advance. The major indexes ended the day mixed, with the Dow Jones industrials falling 74 points — only the third time in October that the blue chips had just a double-digit close.

Analysts were divided over why the market turned around so abruptly. Some cited reports of a lackluster profit forecast at General Electric Co. — a Dow component that dropped nearly 4 percent from its late-session high — and others contended investors were simply looking to cash in gains after the Federal Reserve's decision to lower its fed funds rate by a half-point to 1 percent.

"It was a panic sell in the last two minutes," said Dave Rovelli, managing director of U.S. equity trading at Canaccord Adams in New York, referring to reports that GE was aiming at 2009 profits to be little changed from 2008. The reports were subsequently called into question, and a GE spokesman said the statements were taken out of context.

Because of the last-hour confusion, it was likely that it would take the opening of trading on Thursday to get a better read on how the market feels about the Fed's rate cut and its accompanying economic statement.

The market waffled while it was still digesting the Fed's moves, then advanced for most of the final hour of trading. Until shortly before the close, it looked like Wall Street was feeling more confident about the economy and would extend its huge rally from Tuesday, which propelled the Dow Jones industrials up nearly 900 points.

Policymakers spelled out a weakening of economic conditions in the U.S. and abroad, citing first a drop in spending by American consumers. The Fed also reiterated that it expects government steps, including its own efforts to increase liquidity, to improve credit market conditions and the economy over time.

Bruce McCain, chief investment strategist at Key Private Bank in Cleveland, said the Fed's overall tone conveyed it regards the economic troubles as somewhat typical of a weak economy and not the kind of intractable problems that signal a deep recession is imminent.

"They more or less indicated elevated concerns about the economy but nothing in it suggests any real panic but that this is just one more step in their program to restore the financial system to complete functioning."

But the final hour of trading on Wall Street over the past month has seen turnarounds in sentiment as well as prices, and the late-session volatility that has become the norm was in force again Wednesday.

"We set ourselves up in the last hour with a golden opportunity to lock in profits," said Ryan Larson, senior equity trader at Voyageur Asset Management, a subsidiary of RBC Dain Rauscher.

He said that very late in the day, more investors were putting a more downbeat spin on the Fed's statement, which had indicated policymakers are willing to lower the fed funds rate below 1 percent if necessary. Traders started thinking, "if they're willing to go under 1 percent, there must be serious problems that we don't know about yet," Larson said.

The Dow was up as much as 298 points in the last quarter hour of the session, giving it a two-day gain of more than 1,187 points, when it began to slide. It closed down 74.16, or 0.82 percent, at 8,990.96. During the 21 trading days so far this month, the Dow has had closes of less than 100 points only twice — on Oct. 1 and Oct. 14; the month has seen unprecedented volatility, with the blue chips recording their largest ever advance, 936 points, and their largest ever decline, 778 points.

Broader stock indicators were mixed. The S&P 500 index fell 10.42, or 1.11 percent, to 930.09, and the Nasdaq composite index advanced 7.74, or 0.47 percent, to 1,657.21.

Advancers outnumbered decliners by about 2 to 1 on moderate volume of 1.62 billion shares on the New York Stock Exchange.

Some traders expressed frustration by the market's finish.

"You cannot have moves like this and have any sort of investor confidence," said Joe Saluzzi, co-head of equity trading at Themis Trading LLC.

The credit markets had a lukewarm response to the Fed move. The yield on the three-month Treasury bill, regarded as the safest investment around and an indicator of investor sentiment, fell to 0.55 percent from 0.74 percent Tuesday. A drop in yield indicates an increase in demand. Meanwhile, the yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note rose to 3.86 percent from 3.84 percent late Tuesday.

It was clear from Wednesday's trading that Wall Street is nowhere near moving away from the volatility that has devasted stock prices this month. And many investors are hesitant to re-enter the market after being hit hard — even with Tuesday's jump, the three major stock indexes are still down more than 30 percent for the year, battered since last month's freeze-up of the credit markets. The troubles with the credit markets have made it harder and more expensive for businesses and consumers to get loans.

While signs have emerged that the government action to revive credit markets is starting to work, investors remain skittish over the effects of the prolonged credit freeze on the economy, which relies on lending to feed growth.

Investors are hoping the latest rate cut will complement the government's still-unfolding efforts to aid the commercial paper market, where companies turn for short-term loans, and the banks themselves. The Treasury this week is investing directly in banks, hoping the cash will make them more likely to issue loans.

Wall Street's rally Tuesday helped lift trading in most markets overseas. Japan's Nikkei stock average jumped 7.74 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 rose 8.05 percent, Germany's DAX index slipped 0.31 percent, and France's CAC-40 rose 9.23 percent.
 
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i thought printing more money doesnt weaken the dollar since its not based on gold anymore
if u increase the money supply..which the feds r doin by lowering interest rates..

you decrease the value of the dollar because there are more dollars in circulation...

also, the dollar is in waaaay better shape than other currencys..the dollar has gained on the yen and euro..

remember its a global crisis...but who knows...maybe the dollar does go under..i just dont really c that happening tho...but im wondering how worthless it will become...commodities prices have gone done..which makes consumers happier..but we r in such a shithole...im not sure if anything can really make a difference.and in the next year..its going to get worse..

if i were a terrorist...now would be the PERFECT time to plan a bombing or w/e..

i agree with what other ppl r sayin...the empire has fucked up..thats what happens when u r military/capitalism minded...all the money goes to the wrong places..

but also..its the way we let ppl play with our money...