Boy dies after refusing transfusion over religion

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

The Punishment is up to Jehovah, but if he says not to then you prolly better not. There is not "predetermined fate" for disobeying God, he judges the heart. But the bible does say that if you die for him in this system, he will give you back a hundred fold in the new system.

Do you even know what the new system is?

I am very worried about when I hear them say New Order...
or New World.. as they call it.

I mean bible says a New EARTH... no where does is say Order.. or World...
that is THEIR teachings not the bible..

and be very careful of any religion that talks about a peaceful.. New World.. New Order.. or One World...

Let me show what the New World Order IS:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...151&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
watch that...

Also another thing is that Russel was a Free Mason.. and has occult symbols on his grave. All the people in the organization.. are not aware...

Why do you think the leaders hate for people to look up info? They are scared of what they will find...

For example.. look at this demonic symbol... on the cover of a old JW book...
called the Finished Mystery.. this book is still quoted in the revelation book... till this day.

See those wings on the book? That is an occult symbol.. called the Winged Sun Disk.. it comes from Egypt...

My question is how is a man who says he is Anointed.. and guided from holy spirit of God.. using OCCULT things on his books.. and a FREE MASON?

Let's take a look at the founders grave.. Of couse.. you won't see this pic in ANY JW books.. but you can go to New York and see it in person..

But if you don't know what free masons.. or what these symbols mean.. you won't ever know about it.

Notice the words Watch Tower Society... and also the Crown and Cross.. which is a Free Masonic symbol... and the pyramid.. well that's a symbol of the Illuminati...

This is why I don't trust this organization... it seems they keep a LOT from their members.. and try to cover stuff up...

Then if you find these FACTS and try to point it out to them.. they try to call a person an apostate.. when really that person is only seeking Truth...

Another thing I don't like about them.. is that they say Microchip implants in the hand.. and forehead.. are NOT the mark of the beast.. when the bible clearing states.. that this is what it is... they even go as far as to say.. its OK to take a micro chips.. but their members will believe this...

Since their leaders told them.. its a FACT.. when is it not...

Now I do think they are very moral people.. and they do teach good morals...

But you people.. THINK.. use your brain... don't let some guy from New York.. who CLAIMS.. but can never prove has is possesed by the holy spirit.. lead.. you...

You can't follow ANYONE blinding.. only God.. and you don't need a church or organization to GUIDE you...

Do your OWN research.... like the BIBLE says... Seek the Truth... and you will be FREE...

FREE you mind man!!

Also have heard about silent lambs? About kids being sexually molested by JW elders? yes its true! They are quick to point the finger.. but they don't like to show what is REALLY going on...

Go to this site.. to see NEWS videos.. and other clips.. of elders who left.. to expose the evil going on behind.. the scenes.. Live on DATE LINE!

Here are the link:
http://www.silentlambs.org/

I feel sorry for these people who got molested as kids.. really what is more important.. protecting a an organization or protecting the kids.? You tell me..


And don't say this is NOT true...
I knew a FUCKING elder.. growing up.. who molested his own step daughter.. and he is ran from the law.. so i KNOW this happens... I know of another case.. of my friend's little sister.. being molested.. by a JW brother. so I don't support this kind of thing.. and I will EXPOSE it.. and I don't care if it means.. the end of them.. since Babylon.. is ANY group.. that does evil.. them included..

I was raised as a witness.. and I gotta say.. I do like the moral things I learned there... but as I got older.. I figured out that you can't BLINDLY follow.. a group of men.. who are not honest about their past.. or their present...

As for the blood thing that is something from the mind of a fanatic... Ok so in the Old Testament.. which is where that blood thing comes from! It ALSO says.. to KILL anyone who has sex before marragie.. with STONES? Why don't they follow that LAW.. you CAN"T pick and choose what you want to follow in the bible.. you either.. FOLLOW it 100% or nothing at all.. none of this.. trash.. about what applies now... or what applied back then..

If you follow the bible.. then follow it ALL!.. do the blood Sacrfices.. to YHWH Elohim.. which is how his named is truly said.. or at least as close as you can get to the original way it was written..

I just wanted to get this off my chest...
I had to expose the TRUTH.. and I know the Truth hurts.. but we have to face it... EVERY organized religion.. is a tool of the New World Order... to brainwash and condition humans.. this has been going on since.. Medievil times! Open your eyes....

thanks for listening...

I hope you all learned something here today.

PS: I am NOT against GOD.. .Yahweh Elohim..

I am Against.. ANY group.. with connections.. to the New World ORder...
and any group.. that allows.. and tries to cover up.. child molestation... I wish I could meet the fucks.. who do this kind of shit.. I would cripple.. their bitch ass for life!! now that's a HOLY judgement...!!

thanks

 

[Mi$ta-Murda187]

Look at this SICK JW fuck!
http://www.silentlambs.org/MissouriMolester.htm


He doesn't even desserve to use the name of God in vain.....

But like the BIBLE says.. all that is done in the dark will be brought to the light...

 

[Big E]

Do you even know what the new system is?

I am very worried about when I hear them say New Order...
or New World.. as they call it.

I mean bible says a New EARTH... no where does is say Order.. or World...
that is THEIR teachings not the bible..

New earth means no more countries, world United, ran by all in heaven with new kings and laws. Isa. 9:6,7 and 2:3 Psalms 72:1,8

and be very careful of any religion that talks about a peaceful.. New World.. New Order.. or One World...

Let me show what the New World Order IS:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...151&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
watch that...

That's man's theory, not god's promise. Go to watchtower.org and do a search on a topic and quit googling to find out what they believe and go to the source.

Also another thing is that Russel was a Free Mason.. and has occult symbols on his grave. All the people in the organization.. are not aware...
Why are we
Why do you think the leaders hate for people to look up info? They are scared of what they will find...

Russell founded the international organization almost 100 years ago, Jehovah's Witnesses hardly follow anything that he taught now. He doesn't run the watchtower LOL They don't look at him like mormon's do Joe Smith.

For example.. look at this demonic symbol... on the cover of a old JW book...
called the Finished Mystery.. this book is still quoted in the revelation book... till this day.

See those wings on the book? That is an occult symbol.. called the Winged Sun Disk.. it comes from Egypt...
That's an old book and they don't do that anymore.

My question is how is a man who says he is Anointed.. and guided from holy spirit of God.. using OCCULT things on his books.. and a FREE MASON?

No one ever bowed to that or this man, and never will, and never did he say he was annointed from God. You confused with Joseph Smith with the Mormons. LOL Why does everyone bring up Russell? quit looking at that and look at what goes on today.

Let's take a look at the founders grave.. Of couse.. you won't see this pic in ANY JW books.. but you can go to New York and see it in person..

Cuz Russell was not someone Jehovah's witnesses looked at like a prophet or anything like that, and there is no need to put pictures of his grave in their books. They all know what it looks like tho. Can't change what practices were done in the past. They don't use the cross as a worshiping idol like every other "christian" organization does now, and they sure as hell have nothing to do with the free masons

But if you don't know what free masons.. or what these symbols mean.. you won't ever know about it.

Notice the words Watch Tower Society... and also the Crown and Cross.. which is a Free Masonic symbol... and the pyramid.. well that's a symbol of the Illuminati...

Oh poop dude. What are you a tweeker? there ain't no conspiracy going on withing the organization. LMAO

This is why I don't trust this organization... it seems they keep a LOT from their members.. and try to cover stuff up...

No they don't, find me an example homie. And don't pull no made up BS out of your ass.

Then if you find these FACTS and try to point it out to them.. they try to call a person an apostate.. when really that person is only seeking Truth...

Absolutely not, An appostate is someone who preaches against the organization to mislead them away from it, not because they found some kind of "hidden secret truth" in the bible. Any question that you may have as to the bible and what things mean, can be brought to the elders or even higher without no questions asked and NEVER do they call you an apostate for doing that.

Another thing I don't like about them.. is that they say Microchip implants in the hand.. and forehead.. are NOT the mark of the beast.. when the bible clearing states.. that this is what it is... they even go as far as to say.. its OK to take a micro chips.. but their members will believe this...

Where does the bible even speak of a microchip? What it says and your interpretation is 2 different things homie.

Since their leaders told them.. its a FACT.. when is it not...

Now I do think they are very moral people.. and they do teach good morals...

But you people.. THINK.. use your brain... don't let some guy from New York.. who CLAIMS.. but can never prove has is possesed by the holy spirit.. lead.. you...

That's the thing, your misunderstanding about the watchtower organization, they are there for organizing the preaching work, not TELLING people what to believe, Look at the board above the main office in Manhattan and it says Read the Bible daily. By that, you figure out for YOURSELF what the bible says. That's all they do is read the bible.

You can't follow ANYONE blinding.. only God.. and you don't need a church or organization to GUIDE you...

Heb. 10:25 says not to forsake the gathering of ourselves together, but encourage one another in the time of the end.

Do your OWN research.... like the BIBLE says... Seek the Truth... and you will be FREE...

FREE you mind man!!

They encourage you to read the bible more than anyone in the world, You need to seriously see what they are about before you judge homie.
Also have heard about silent lambs? About kids being sexually molested by JW elders? yes its true! They are quick to point the finger.. but they don't like to show what is REALLY going on...

Go to this site.. to see NEWS videos.. and other clips.. of elders who left.. to expose the evil going on behind.. the scenes.. Live on DATE LINE!

Here are the link:
http://www.silentlambs.org/

I feel sorry for these people who got molested as kids.. really what is more important.. protecting a an organization or protecting the kids.? You tell me..



So the actions of a few make the organization as a whole bad? come on man, that's what satan wants you to think. You protect the kids and the organization by disfellowshipping ones that practice kind of thing and report the individual to the authorities, not the whole organization like it's their fault. What would be the point in that other than to defame the organization?

And don't say this is NOT true...
I knew a FUCKING elder.. growing up.. who molested his own step daughter.. and he is ran from the law.. so i KNOW this happens... I know of another case.. of my friend's little sister.. being molested.. by a JW brother. so I don't support this kind of thing.. and I will EXPOSE it.. and I don't care if it means.. the end of them.. since Babylon.. is ANY group.. that does evil.. them included..



This is not a practice that is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses, I'm not saying that it isn't true, but I am saying it was quickly and swiftly dealt with IF and When it ever happens. Hey there is sick SOB's everywhere in the world and just cuz a chimo claims to be a JW doesn't mean he really is in his heart. You have to understand, this world is imperfect and so are the people in it. The JW's have never claimed to be perfect, and IF something like that happend, I'm sure they were disfellowshipped and will never be allowed to have anykind of priveleges like that again. I should know, I was disfellowshipped because I did drugs/sold drugs, poked hella hoes, still get drunk regularly, etc. But nothing they did was out of harm or anger. I deserved it because I was misleading the people my age by showing them that these types of things are ok. I regret what I did and am still doing, but am so stuck in my ways that I don't think I'll ever go back, and have all but accepted my judgement. I BELIEVE IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY THO and would suggest or steer people to go to them if you are seriously wanting answers.

I was raised as a witness.. and I gotta say.. I do like the moral things I learned there... but as I got older.. I figured out that you can't BLINDLY follow.. a group of men.. who are not honest about their past.. or their present...

That's why you don't do listen to it BLINDLY. I was raised in it also, and never just Listened to a man run his neck like most other "religions," I followed along and did personal study like you are supposed to do, if there is something that isn't right you report it to a body of Elders, if that doesn't solve it, write a letter to the organization and they will send someone from a judicial committee to look into it. Like I said no organization is perfect, but faith, preaching and study, that will show Jehovah who really deserves to make it.



As for the blood thing that is something from the mind of a fanatic... Ok so in the Old Testament.. which is where that blood thing comes from! It ALSO says.. to KILL anyone who has sex before marragie.. with STONES? Why don't they follow that LAW.. you CAN"T pick and choose what you want to follow in the bible.. you either.. FOLLOW it 100% or nothing at all.. none of this.. trash.. about what applies now... or what applied back then..

The Old Testament does say that about blood, but it doesn't say to kill them for committing fornication. It says that this was the practice by governments back then. Governments of man, Kings, Pharoah's ETC. The bible says that you should not murder NO MATTER WHAT and have faith that Jehovah or Yahweh (which does not have Elohim (a separate word) tied to it anywhere in the YHWH or JHVH hebrew text that was originally written) will work out judgement in the end like he promised. JW's do not judge or say who will make it.



If you follow the bible.. then follow it ALL!.. do the blood Sacrfices.. to YHWH Elohim.. which is how his named is truly said.. or at least as close as you can get to the original way it was written..

Like I said previously Elohim is a separate word from YHWH or JHVH. Blood sacrifices were a way of worship before Jesus, Jesus Freed us from that and the rest of the commandments of old by giving his perfect blood as a sacrifice. You can't ignore what was written in the hebrew commandments tho as those are more specific as to what Jehovah did and did not like whereas the 2 commandments that Jesus gave us. (Love Jehovah with your all, and love your neighbor as you would yourself.)

I just wanted to get this off my chest...
I had to expose the TRUTH.. and I know the Truth hurts.. but we have to face it... EVERY organized religion.. is a tool of the New World Order... to brainwash and condition humans.. this has been going on since.. Medievil times! Open your eyes....

I can promise you homie I'm not brainwashed, I've lived both lives and that one is the right one, even tho I don't live it. My eyes weren't opened until I stopped practicing what I was learning. If you have a problem with the ones doing the shady shyt, blame them, not the organization. That's why they don't publicize ones that do these things cuz people like you blame all of the whole organization for the mistakes of 1 or 2 people.

thanks for listening...

I hope you all learned something here today.

PS: I am NOT against GOD.. .Yahweh Elohim..

I am Against.. ANY group.. with connections.. to the New World ORder...
and any group.. that allows.. and tries to cover up.. child molestation... I wish I could meet the fucks.. who do this kind of shit.. I would cripple.. their bitch ass for life!! now that's a HOLY judgement...!!

They don't cover it up, they just don't go around speaking of things like it's something that is a worldwide practice of JW's, Dude chill out, you act like the people that have done something like this should walk around screaming "I raped a kid once" for the rest of there life. Let Jehovah judge them not you or any other man. Do protect and watch your kids but dam dude, I can't even fathom how a few's mistakes make the whole organization bad.

thanks

 

[RedStorm]

lmao@ "Oh poop dude"

haha

 

[Big E]

did you like that? LMAO

 

[ThaG]

WTF???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/03/wface103.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

A Jehovah's Witness who for decades refused all surgery on his horrific facial disfigurement has been given hope by a British doctor and new medical technology.

Unwilling to accept a blood transfusion, Jose Mestre has allowed the bloody tumour that first appeared on his lip in adolescence to obliterate almost all of his face.

Now 15 inches long and weighing 12 pounds, it has blinded him in one eye and made eating a daily ordeal. As it begins to block his airways, doctors fear his life could be in danger.

But now one of Britain's leading facial surgeons has proposed treating Jose, 51, by employing ultrasound waves to coagulate the blood before the operation.

This should allow his growths to be removed without risk of heavy bleeding – satisfying his religious prohibition on blood transfusions that has so far hampered his search for treatment.

Jose was examined by two doctors in Britain - Loshan Kangesu, consultant plastic surgeon at Broomfield Hospital, and Dr Iain Hutchison of St Bartholomew's in London.

Dr Hutchison, who also runs the Saving Faces surgery research charity, is optimistic that a single operation with a harmonic scalpel could have a dramatic affect on Jose's features.

"I think we can remove a large proportion of the lesions – around 80 per cent," he said. "We would then have to deal with the underlying nose, lip and tongue disfigurement."

"I have never seen a vascular malformity as bad," he added.

Jose's condition, haemangioma, stems from abnormalities in the capillaries and veins in his face. In effect, what should be a river carrying blood back to his heart has turned into a lake, which has now expanded to obliterate the rest of his features.

For Jose, surgery would offer an escape from the routine he has developed to help deal with his affliction.

Every day he sets off from his home in a suburb of Lisbon for Rossio Square, one of the city's main plazas, where he sits out the afternoon enduring the stares and questions of strangers. He has become something of a local celebrity, a notoriety he does not always seem to resent.

Unable to find work or a girlfriend, he has been supported by his siblings since the death of his mother, with whom he was very close and from whom he took his religious beliefs.

"It's very difficult to find out the truth about why he hasn't been treated in the past," said Rob Farquhar, producer of the Discovery Channel documentary which brought Jose to Britain in search of a cure.

Financial pressures, mis-diagnoses and the limitations of the Portuguese health system all played a role, but Jose's own complicated attitude to his condition has not helped.

Unsuccessful and unhappy visits to Germany and Spain in search of medical care in his youth have left him with a distrust of doctors. This, combined with his loyalty to his mother's faith, and concerns about life without the mask to which he has become accustomed, appear to have instilled Jose with a sullen fatalism about his condition.

His inertia has infuriated his close family, who do not share Jose's religious beliefs. Jose himself, although a Jehovah's Witness, does not attend any church.

During the consultation with Dr Hutchison in London, Jose's sister Guida reacted with exasperation her brother's initial reluctance to discuss the offer of a transfusion-free operation.

"Die alone, not with me. For me, finished," she cried, in dramatic footage to be broadcast for the first time this week. Guida shoulders much of the burden for caring for Jose.

But Jose now seems ready to confront his condition. He has agreed in principle to Dr Hutchison's proposal to return to London for an exploratory operation on one of his smaller lesions.

If the treatment works, the majority of Jose's tumour could be removed and his face rebuilt in a single 12 hour operation.

Despite the experimental nature of the treatment Dr Hutchison is confident of success.

A harmonic scalpel has never been used to remove growths as extreme as Jose's, but has proved itself a highly effective surgical tool since coming onto the market a few years ago.

Dr Hutchison, who has offered to carry out the operation without charge, is now waiting for Jose and his family to get in contact and arrange an appointment.

"I hope that he is well and in reasonable health, and if he wants to come and see me my door is open," he said.
# "The Man with No Face", part of the "My Shocking Story" series, will be shown on the Discovery Channel at 9pm on Dec 6. For more details visit the programme's website.

# Saving Faces is the only charity in the United Kingdom solely dedicated to the worldwide reduction of facial injuries and diseases. It funds education and research to improve the physical and psychological treatment of all victims of oral cancer and other facial diseases

 

[RedStorm]

Whoa..


wow..where is his mouth and nose and such? It looks like he would have just suffocated with all that.

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

blood transfusions are a good thing.. FUCK YOUR RELIGION.

 

[28g w/o the bag]

wow...

they should just put a couple of bullets in that thing

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[MEXCOM]

Who cares? Give the transfusion to someone who wants it.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

kinda like bob marley refusing to amputate his toe because of his beliefs.

 

[Big E]

There has to be a reason that we don't know about as to why he ain't doing it. If there is a blood transfusion he won't cuz that's what he wants, that's his decision let him deal with it.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

^
im going to play devils advocate, can that be considered suicide?

 

[Big E]

No, that is his choice. He could die if he gets it removed. So in the end, it's his decision and shouldn't be blamed on the organization of JW's for him and his decisions. I'm sure this dude has thought it through longer than any of us could imagine.

 

[HiLsyde707Kloun]

kinda like bob marley refusing to amputate his toe because of his beliefs.

Bob Marley didn't die from cancer. Actually, Don't believe me though, kuz I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

Bob Marley didn't die from cancer. Actually, Don't believe me though, kuz I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Hey, i believe that NOT taking anything into consideration just because it sounds too unbelieveable is pretty crazy in itself.

Can you link any sources on this? From what i know, he was playing soccer and got his foot or toe injured and never got it take care of.

 

[Filthy Bay Ent]

No, that is his choice. He could die if he gets it removed. So in the end, it's his decision and shouldn't be blamed on the organization of JW's for him and his decisions. I'm sure this dude has thought it through longer than any of us could imagine.

hmm interesting. Dont think Im giving you a hard time or anything, I just like to probe and prod at peoples beliefs and opinions because I like to soak knowledge..

Isn't suicide a choice also? In the eyes of "god" how would it be diffrent to refuse medical help knowing your dying, then letting, lets say, your car submerge into a lake and not trying to get out?

 

[Big E]

Ok, the thing is Jehovah said not to parttake of blood. Take from that what you want but to me that means transfusions also. I'm sure this guy feels the same way. I had a transfusion forced on me when I was 15 and in a car wreck that killed all 4 of the other guys and I was the only survivor.

 

[ThaG]

No, that is his choice. He could die if he gets it removed. So in the end, it's his decision and shouldn't be blamed on the organization of JW's for him and his decisions. I'm sure this dude has thought it through longer than any of us could imagine.

Do you realize that this could have been removed when he was 14 and did not carry all that extra weight on his face? It would have never gotten to where it is now, if only he had some common sense...

Now it will take several extremely costly operations to remove the tumor for which society will pay.

1. he is believing in something ridiculously silly
2. he is doing harm on himself
3. he is doing indirect harm on society as a whole because he is not a functional member of society, however society pays for his existence and will pay for the removal of his tumor, all of that could have been prevented...

 

[iaoish]

Now it will take several extremely costly operations to remove the tumor for which society will pay.

Really? society? I saw Sicko yesterday... I couldn't believe how your system works.. just like Michael Moore couldn't believe the way other countries work with the so called social healthcare.
What I saw in Sicko that it really doesn't matter if you have healthcare or not.. when you get sick you are fucked because they find a way to make you pay all expense out of your own pocket. Tumor or not.