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I'm typing this bored as fuck at work...at least I'm gettin paid to fuck around with you people.

HERESY, I have yet to read this, but I think you may be interested (WHITE DEVIL, YOU TOO)

Dominionism

“Dominionism”, as defined by S.R. Shearer, is a “militant post-millennial eschatology (‘doctrine of end times’) which pictures the seizure of earthly (temporal) power by the church as the only means through which the world can be rescued; only after the world has been thus 'rescued' can Christ return to ‘rule and reign.’ (Some dominionists see the seizure of the earth as the result of ‘signs, wonders, and miracles;’ others picture it as the result of military and political conquest; most see it as a combination of both.)” [1] Further info

The Despoiling of America

How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm <---Read
 
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HERESY, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON Dominionism? This man at my work is convinced that our reasons for invading Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. and our military presence across the globe are because we are preparing for the return of Christ. America and her allies are preparing for the fight against good vs. evil and George W. Bush is truly a man of god.
 

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^^^I was at the Sonoma County Fair last summer, and I was at this booth where this woman was selling a bunch of those Russian type dolls, the one where if u open it, theres a small one inside, and one inside of that one, i cant remember what they were called. So they had a bunch of W., and i was gonna buy one cuz i thought it'd be a funny gift for someone....so i asked this woman, who was foreign, she sounded Russian/Eastern European, how much they were. Instead, she rambled on about how she liked Bush because he was making a contemporary crusade for Christianity and religion in general, blah blah blah. I just walked away.

The sad part is I realized, and was slightly embarassed, that I really hope that countries around the world don't believe this bullshit.
 

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@206 your friend is an IDIOT. I do research and know a lot about eschatology but my take is kind of different. In the bible Yeshua (jesus) speaks of those who will KILL you in the name of "GOD". He speaks of those who will kill you and think they are doing gods service. Well this is a PRIME example. Bush has been KILLING people in the name of god, america has been killing in the name of god etc etc etc. Now this brings me to something VERY important.

The bible speaks about the church and how church people will deliver others to be killed, beaten and thrown in prison. Thats not far fetched when the majority of churches will soon be 501 (c) 3 and under the faith based initiative. Which Brings me to the next point.

The RETURN of "CHRIST".

Christ does not need the earth to be "rescued" and no passages in scripture hint at that. What needs to happen in order for him to return? Well certain prophecies need to be fulfilled and the earth needs to be CORRUPT. IMHO the earth is at the CORRUPT stage now. Simply take a look at AMERICA.

This leads me to the next point which is probably the most important.

THE ANTI CHRIST.

If you look at the polls (lol@the polls) the majority of BUSH voters are most likely "christian" in nature. Yes chirstian sheep who will do as they are told. Christian sheep who won't question or take a stand. Now imagine those sheep being told the messiah is here. Imagine them following this messiah and doing everything he said just because someone else said he was the real deal. Imagine them taking microchip implants. Imagine them giving up tangibles and embracing a paperless currency based on credit.


Two roads. One is the broad road which the majority of people follow. This is the road of the SHEEP, CONSUMER, TREND FOLLOWER and IDIOT. These go on to live in a "created" world. They believe everything is ok and seem to be concerned with 401 k plans and well.......nothing.....


The other road is for people who think for themselves but heed THE HIGHER POWER. They arent concerned with trends, could care less about earthly things and tend to speak out when wrong doings occur. These tend to be ostracized, killed or slammed in jail with trumped up charges........They see the world as it is......DOOMED.....


The government and church want EVERYONE to go the wide road route.....


CHURCH+GOVERNMENT=CHAOS IN THE END TIMES.

TAKE HEED BECAUSE A NEW "SYSTEM" WILL SOON BE IMPLEMENTED AND IT WILL BE NOTHING LIKE YOU'VE EVER ENCOUNTERED.


Whats happening is supposed to happen but these "christians" are on the wrong side....


Many will say LORD LORD.......and he will say DEPART FROM ME I NEVER KNEW YOU......



:HGK:


PS THAT WASN'T THE PORN STAR.
 
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Some Jehohovas wittnesses came to my house the other day, talking about the end of days are comming! One of them started talking about how all the wars were going on and that even in the Bible it mentions how nations will rise against each other. Playing devils advocate I asked her well isn't this a good thing, this means Jesus is comming! She just kinda looked at me odd and said well I don't take a stand on the war. I kindly took their pamplet and they were on their way. What I cannot belive is the Evangenical Christians in America who belive that this war is a good thing and that Christ's is comming.

Heresy- im confused though. I see where you are comming from that America is corrupt and the mindless lemmings keep running twords the cliff. However, what I wanted to argue with the Jehova witnesses, that I purposly did not ,is, wars and corruption have been happening since antiquity, what makes this time in history any different?
 

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BaSICCally said:
Some Jehohovas wittnesses came to my house the other day, talking about the end of days are comming! One of them started talking about how all the wars were going on and that even in the Bible it mentions how nations will rise against each other. Playing devils advocate I asked her well isn't this a good thing, this means Jesus is comming! She just kinda looked at me odd and said well I don't take a stand on the war. I kindly took their pamplet and they were on their way. What I cannot belive is the Evangenical Christians in America who belive that this war is a good thing and that Christ's is comming.

Heresy- im confused though. I see where you are comming from that America is corrupt and the mindless lemmings keep running twords the cliff. However, what I wanted to argue with the Jehova witnesses, that I purposly did not ,is, wars and corruption have been happening since antiquity, what makes this time in history any different?
Thats a good question and to be honest I don't think she would have been able to answer it. What makes this time in history any different? We can look at a couple of things. Let's start with Communication. Right now I'm able to talk to a person in china, negotiate, make deals, money or even order a mail order bride. All by picking up the phone or using the internet. The entire world is connected now in some way. You didn't have that 100 years ago. Take a look at your old kingdoms, babylon, greece, rome. The further they stretched out the more tangibles and land they acquired, but that comes with a price. Let's take rome for example. If they were able to expand and cover the globe you would have roman influence in every country.


Let's consider resources. In the past nothing was run from gas and oil wasn't pumped from the earth. Our society/global economy is dependent on oil/gas. Without it everything will return to the dark ages. So as you can see the stakes are much higher now. You control who gets what, how long they get it, how much it costs etc etc etc.


Ponder the monopoly of money. Your countries (america) money is being printed by those who have a monopoly over the prints. They control the currency and decide what value it has....if any.......


Take a look at population. Take a look at the earths health (our planet is dying) and take a look at humans as a whole. Knowledge has increased (DNA studies for example) but what has happened to mans heart? He plays god........



:hgk:
 
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You say Bush kills in the name of God and you say that the Bible says that people will kill you and think they are doing God's service. Well the Iraqi people also kill in the name of God, in fact every religion kills in the name of God and thinks they are doing God's service.

My question is this, who in fact is doing God's service if we all kill in the name of God?

Well if evil can never prosper over God, then whoever wins the war must be doing God's service. Birds of a feather flock together and we only learn thru trial and error. If you fought a war blindly because that was all you knew due to oppression, and you died, if your intents were righteous then when you stand before God you will be forgiven. Father forgive us for we know not what we do.

As long as there is corruption and sin on the Earth there will always be war. The only way the war ends is when you have a kingdom not divided and law that is perfect. The only way to establish this kingdom is thru trial and error or in other words ...war. War is nothing more then a contest of righteousness. We come up with ideas then we put them up against each other to see which one will prevail and that's how we deem which is the right one.

When we have a king that only does for his people, and his people only do for him, as is the Kingdom of God, then will we find our true Shepard. Until then just do the best you can. Do what you know and never stop learning.


"For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of malciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." - The Bible
 

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ENDER STATED THE FOLLOWING:

"You say Bush kills in the name of God and you say that the Bible says that people will kill you and think they are doing God's service. Well the Iraqi people also kill in the name of God, in fact every religion kills in the name of God and thinks they are doing God's service."


I know for a fact that every religion doesn't kill in the name of god. Why? Well several religions don't have a "god". They have a form of worship or practice but killing is not on the agenda. So no every religion does NOT kill in gods name/service.

You mentioned Bush and the Iraqi people. These people are DEFENDING themselves. Just like Israel had to defend itself against the babylonians, persians etc etc etc.


"My question is this, who in fact is doing God's service if we all kill in the name of God?"


Who is killing in the name of god? When someone comes to your home, launches missiles at your childs forehead, destroys your land, rapes your women and commits acts of hostility based on faulty intel what should you do? Roll over and die? Pick up a weapon and defend yourself? God has NEVER had a problem with people defending themselves. What I'm talking about/making reference to are people who go on a CRUSADE and say "I'm doing this in the name of "god". Sort of like a christian extremist guy who blows up an abortion clinic.



"Well if evil can never prosper over God, then whoever wins the war must be doing God's service."

This is illogical thinking. The Romans were doing God's service? The babylonians were doing god's service? The philistines were doing god's service? Yes they may have been used as tools to bring about some form of punishment against Israel but they did NOT do it in "god's" name.

Evil/Sin has a season and just because a war is won doesn't make it "right".



"Birds of a feather flock together and we only learn thru trial and error. If you fought a war blindly because that was all you knew due to oppression, and you died, if your intents were righteous then when you stand before God you will be forgiven. Father forgive us for we know not what we do."


I agree with this but you have to understand something. The majority of those opressed are people of"color". Not only that but america is not fighting because of american oppression. America is fighting because of lies, greed and power. The iraqi's are fighting because of oppression, those in israel are fighting because of oppression.


"As long as there is corruption and sin on the Earth there will always be war. The only way the war ends is when you have a kingdom not divided and law that is perfect. The only way to establish this kingdom is thru trial and error or in other words ...war. War is nothing more then a contest of righteousness. We come up with ideas then we put them up against each other to see which one will prevail and that's how we deem which is the right one."


Certain wars have been fought over women. Certain wars have been fought over "turf". Some wars are waged for monetary gain. I don't see war as a contest of righteousness. I see it as a battle for survival.



"When we have a king that only does for his people, and his people only do for him, as is the Kingdom of God, then will we find our true Shepard. Until then just do the best you can. Do what you know and never stop learning."


I agree.


"For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of malciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." - The Bible[/QUOTE]


this contradicts americas "war on terrorism"...


:hgk:
 

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BASICALLY,
YOU SHOULD OF ASKED OLD gIRL AND SEEN WHAT SHE SAID. I DOUBT SHE WOULD OF ACTED CLUELESS LIKE SOME WOULD SPECULATE.

HERESY,
THAT TEXT YOU RECITED OF MATHEW 7:21-23 WAS MY FAVORITE AS A YOUNgSTA.
 
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I thought about asking her. I could just tell that she was real nervous. Plus there was a little girl there about 11 who read out of the Bible, I could tell she was nervous. I didn't want to make a scene. I must admit though the reason I didn't get into the conversation with them is because it was 1:30 on a Sunday. The Seahawks were playing and I didn't want to miss the game. I just thanked them and they were on their way. They offered to come back, I thought about it, then I was like no I don't think that would be a good idea. She gave me a pamphlet. I read a couple pages then threw it away. I don't think she was clueless, I just had other priorties at the time.
 
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@Heresy

There are many ways to kill my friend. Not just with bloodshed. You can kill the idea of a man, you can kill the will of a man, you can kill the beliefs of a man. So yes, we all kill in the name of "God", higher power, or greater belief. And defense and offense go hand in hand with war. As for "crusade", telling people that all Christians are devils and then sending people over to suicide bomb themselves sounds not only like Muslim "crusading", but if I'm not mistaken also sounds like an offensive move or to put it how you put it sounds like " a christian extremeists guy blowing up an abortion clinic".

When I said war is a contest of righteousness. I just meant that war is a contest for who has the right idea, belief, system, etc.

The real War is only won when all wars stop. Someone will eventually win and it will all be according to God's plan or whatever you call the higher power of Good's plan. Order will always prevail over chaos because even chaos happens in it's due time.

If my quote contradicted "Americas war on terror" then underline "that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men" and italicize "Fear God" and you should get my point.






"I believe that everything you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer for it. But in my heart, I believe what I'm doing is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven." -Tupac
 

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There are many ways to kill my friend. Not just with bloodshed. You can kill the idea of a man, you can kill the will of a man, you can kill the beliefs of a man.


Yes I understand your logic but when you kill the ideas of a man he may form new ideas, when you kill the will of a man he may be able to form a new will and when you kill the beliefs of a man maybe he wasn't firm in those beliefs. I'm talking about KILLING. I'm not referring to crushing someones dreams and aspirations.


So yes, we all kill in the name of "God", higher power, or greater belief.


It's IMPOSSIBLE for "all" to kill in the name of "God", higher power, or greater belief. How can it be possible for someone who doesn't adhere to a "god"? Once again what I'm talking about is someone KILLING. THE PHYSICAL ACT OF KILLING/MURDER. Not all people commit the PHYSICAL act of killing/murder and do it in the name of god. Thats like saying I smoked Nitro and I said "GOD TOLD ME TO DO IT, BECAUSE NITRO IS EVIL".



And defense and offense go hand in hand with war.


As for "crusade", telling people that all Christians are devils and then sending people over to suicide bomb themselves sounds not only like Muslim "crusading", but if I'm not mistaken also sounds like an offensive move or to put it how you put it sounds like " a christian extremeists guy blowing up an abortion clinic".



Muslim extremist possibly do tell people all christians are devils etc etc etc. However you have to consider *WHY* they are using suicide bombers and "terrorist" tactics. Do you see palestinian TANKS mowing over israeli homes? Do you see palestinian choppers launching missles at homes? No. Maybe you should understand the history and WHY they do the things they do.



When I said war is a contest of righteousness. I just meant that war is a contest for who has the right idea, belief, system, etc.


I disagree. When wars are started and carried out due to greed how is it a contest of right idea, belief etc etc etc? Yes the winner will most likely dictate what goes and what stays (influence) but I don't see it as a contest of righteousness. Maybe it's your use of the word that confuses me.


The real War is only won when all wars stop. Someone will eventually win and it will all be according to God's plan or whatever you call the higher power of Good's plan. Order will always prevail over chaos because even chaos happens in it's due time.



ordo ab chao.....not good my friend....


If my quote contradicted "Americas war on terror" then underline "that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men" and italicize "Fear God" and you should get my point.


You have a foolish man "leading" the country, leading it's people to war and no longer fearing GOD. That's the point you should get.



"I believe that everything you do bad comes back to you. So everything that I do that's bad, I'm going to suffer for it. But in my heart, I believe what I'm doing is right. So I feel like I'm going to heaven." -Tupac

You can feel like your going to heaven 24-7....that doesnt make it TRUE...


"Not every one that saith unto me, "Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."-YESHUA...
 
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"You can feel like your going to heaven 24-7... that doesn't make it TRUE..."- Heresy

^Only for the faithless my friend.

I got a question for ya. Who would be your ideal leader and who do you follow? Or better yet what is your purpose for arguing in here? What are you trying to teach and what goal are you trying to accomplish by teaching people stuff? Jus curious. Just tryin to get a better feel for you. It's obvious you read alot and have strong opinions on things. Where did you go to school at or where did you pick up these things and are you a part of some type of specific group? I ask in truth and so should be answered.