Black holes: A way out?

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May 13, 2002
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/15/hawking.holes.reut/index.html



LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Black holes, those fearsome galactic traps from which not even light can escape, may not be quite so terminally destructive after all, according to cosmologist Stephen Hawking.



The author of "A Brief History of Time" now believes some "information" sucked into black holes escapes over time, contradicting some of his most famous work on the phenomenon.

Hawking will present his latest findings at a scientific conference in Ireland next week, New Scientist magazine said, after asking at the last minute to speak.

Black holes are formed when massive stars collapse from their own gravity, the pull of which was thought so strong that nothing can escape.

The idea has been fascinating astronomers since the late 18th century, suggesting images of unimaginably strong cosmic whirlpools sucking up space matter and consigning it to oblivion.

In the 1970s, Hawking said that once a black hole formed it lost mass by radiating energy, known as "Hawking radiation," but it contained no information about the inside matter and once the hole evaporated, all information was lost.

This however, created a paradox, since the laws of quantum physics assert such information can never be completely wiped out.

Hawking responded that the gravitational pull of black holes was so strong, it unravelled the laws of quantum physics. But that argument failed to convince sceptics in the scientific community.

He will now argue that the black holes never quite shut themselves off completely and, as they emit more heat, they eventually open up and release information.

The possible solution to the paradox has sent waves of excitement through the physics community.



"He sent a note saying: 'I have solved the black hole information paradox and I want to talk about it,"' organiser and physicist Curt Cutler told the New Scientist.

"I haven't seen a preprint (of the paper). To be quite honest I went on Hawking's reputation."

Gary Gibbons, an expert on black holes, attended a recent seminar held by Hawking at Cambridge University where he outlined his new findings.



"It's possible that what he presented in the seminar is a solution," Gibbons told New Scientist.

"But I think you have to say the jury is still out."



Hawking, who is almost entirely paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair as a result of motor neurone disease, made his name with "A Brief History ...," which sold more than five million copies worldwide.
 
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http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/strange/html/strange_dark.html

a brief overview

The ultimate destiny of our expanding universe depends on how much matter it contains and whether that will be enough to one day stop the expansion. When astronomers count up all the visible matter—the stuff that gives off light—the answer is clearly no. But they have learned over the past several decades that the answer isn’t so cut-and-dried. Observations reveal that vast halos of invisible matter surround galaxies and galaxy clusters. This dark matter adds up to about ten times more mass than the visible stars, gas, and dust seen in galaxies. And there may be more. The inflationary theory, if true, demands that this dark stuff makes up between 90 and 99 percent of the universe. Astronomers have yet to determine what constitutes this dark matter, although some leading candidates go by the names MACHOs, WIMPs, and neutrinos.
 
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P.Logic,

This is what I wrote to HERESY in a different thread,

"First off, I’m a strong believer in the ‘Big Bang’ theory. Basically that means everything we now see or know about was once compacted into an unimaginably small blip that abruptly expanded in an enormous explosion, which created the very space and time it was expanding into.

So, we know that the universe is expanding. An interesting idea that seems logical is that eventually the universe will collapse back into this tiny compact blip, getting so dense that eventually it will explode again, thus repeating a continuous cycle of an expanding/collapsing universe. This connects to the “Fractal” thread and philosophy. This is justified scientifically by what is called “dark matter.” It appears that there is so much of this matter in the universe to create a gravitational field to bring everything in the universe back together into one black hole. If this is true, than this means there is no begging and no end. Existence is existence, reality is reality, and we are here because existence exists. At first this may seem like an absurd, completely simple way of explaining our universe, but in reality it is incredibly complex but at the same time coincides perfectly with what we know is true in our own planet and beyond- the laws of physics and mathematics.
This is a great thread HERESY. These kinds of discussions have been lacking on the siccness lately."
 
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DaytonFamily said:
so who here believes in some sort of time travel? Whethere it be to the future to the past or time "viewing"

well its theoretically possible and theres no laws that say its not, im almost certain its possible to go into the future because all you would have to do is near the speed of light but going back in time would be a tad bit more difficult.
 
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jay deuce said:
whats done is done going back to the past isnt possible


Ive read somewhere that it could be quite possible, if you could enter a wormhole, but finding one of theses is near impossible to create or find. But if u did and went back in time u could change the pass, which in return would not actaully take change in ur time but create a all new parrel universe. Which leads scientists to believe if u did manage to go back in time you would never be able to go back to your orginal time. You would just be going into an unlimitness amount of universes
 
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^^ Prime example why this thread is shit.

Are we all little giggling teenagers smoking weed for the first time at summer camp? Looking at the stars and spewing some gay ass opinion? NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION
 
Jun 24, 2004
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RaginHomosexual said:
^^ Prime example why this thread is shit.

Are we all little giggling teenagers smoking weed for the first time at summer camp? Looking at the stars and spewing some gay ass opinion? NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION

LOL gay ass opinion? Are you actaully gay or are u just gay?
 
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I dont think its actual about time traveling, but theoretically, everything ceases to move inside of black holes, light, gas, anything that passes through the vortex. Since the culminated energy frozen past the blackhole's vortex has no molecular energy, it cannot change in any way. If it were possible to sustain ourselves inside of the vortex, time would pass at a rate of almost ten times that on earth (approximately). Technically, upon returning from the vortex, we would be in the same condition we were when we first entered, while all other life on earth would have aged at the normal rate.
 
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DUBLIN (Reuters) - Cosmologist Stephen Hawking lost one of the most famous bets in scientific history on Wednesday after he rejected the 1975 black hole theory that helped make his name.

The best-selling author of "A Brief History of Time" conceded that American physicist John Preskill was right to doubt his theory and gave him a baseball book as a prize.

"I am now ready to concede the bet," said Hawking, 62. "I offered him an encyclopaedia of cricket, but John wouldn't be persuaded of (its) superiority."

Hawking, who has a crippling muscle disease and is confined to a wheelchair, accepted the bet in 1997 when Preskill refused to accept black holes permanently destroy everything they suck up.

For over 200 years, scientists have puzzled over black holes, which form when stars burn all their fuel and collapse, creating a huge gravitational pull from which nothing can escape.

Hawking now believes some material oozes out of them over billions of years through tiny irregularities in their surface.

He gave brief details of his U-turn last week and expanded on them at a conference in Dublin after making a last-minute request to speak.

"I always hoped that when Stephen conceded, there would be a witness -- this really exceeds my expectations," said Preskill, pointing at the banks of TV cameras in the packed auditorium.

He said he would miss the years of debate provided by the so-called "black hole information paradox," over whether material can escape.

Others said they would wait for Hawking's new theory to be published before making up their minds.

"This looks to me, on the face of it, to be a lovely argument," said Kip Thorne, a colleague of Preskill at the California Institute of Technology. "But I haven't seen all the details."

Hawking said his reworked theory ruled out his earlier belief that people could some day use black holes to travel to other universes.

"I am sorry to disappoint science fiction fans," he said through his distinctive computerized voicebox. "But if you jump into a black hole, your mass energy will be returned to our universe but in a mangled form."
Hawking, a father of three and Lucasian professor of mathematics at Cambridge University, was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at 21 and told he had only a few years to live.

He defied doctors and went on to sell 10 million copies of his study of the universe, "A Brief History of Time."

He cemented his popular image with guest appearances on "Star Trek: The Next Generation" and "The Simpsons."