Bill O'Reilly's Fascism

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January 22, 2003

How Alec Baldwin Outted the Fox Blowhard
Bill O'Reilly's Fascism
By TOM GORMAN
source: http://www.counterpunch.org/gorman01222003.html

Last year on a special broadcast, "O'Reilly versus Hollywood" (Fox News Special, 6/7/02), Bill O'Reilly purported to "take-on" the "phoniness" of entertainers who are politically active. Of particular pique to O'Reilly was a comment from actor Alec Baldwin on a March episode of the now-defunct Politically Incorrect. Responding to the idea that a President Gore would have been less steadfast in his response to terrorism than President Bush, Baldwin said: "If you watched Fox [News] and all those other fascists over there, that's exactly what they would have had you believe." O'Reilly complained to entertainment journalist Jeanne Wolf (The O'Reilly Factor, 6/7/02) that "if you're going to point fingers at people, and call them names like Alec Baldwin said the Fox News Channel are fascists, . . . you've got to back it up."

Two years ago, O'Reilly first offered his definition of "fascism." "Clinton angered a lot of people out West with these executive orders that took away a lot of land that people wanted to develop . . . and put it under the federal system. Now, to me, that strikes-that's a little fascist, because . . . here is a big monolith from Washington coming in, told the local folks. . . . You can't go on this property and use it for any kind of concern, because we're going to take it" (The O'Reilly Factor, 1/22/01).

Earlier this month, O'Reilly gave an example of a "fascist" organization--the American Civil Liberties Union. Interesting here are not his accusations off the ACLU defending unpopular clients; this is an oft-repeated charge. Being that the ACLU's mission is to defend principles regardless of the group whose rights are being violated, O'Reilly's accusation is hardly original. What does stand out is his further definition of "fascism": "In Newton County, Georgia, the ACLU threatened a school board with litigation if it didn't remove the words 'Christmas holiday' from the school calendar. The county caved and removed the words because it couldn't afford to defend the lawsuit. This, ladies and gentlemen, is fascism, that is, using the threat of terror, which a lawsuit is, to promote policy" (The O'Reilly Factor, 1/2/03). If lawsuits, then, are terror, and "using the threat of terror" is fascism, then, by O'Reilly's logic, the use of lawsuits is fascism.

The Seventh Amendment to the United States Constitution ensures that, "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law." "Suits at common law" are otherwise known as "lawsuits." This is more colloquially referred to as one's "right to his or her day in court." This bedrock of American contract law--the ability to seek redress in the judiciary for injury--is also one of the foundations of capitalism. If individuals did not have the opportunity to settle their grievances through the rule of law, the only option left would be violent force. Arguably, "might makes right" comes closer to most people's definition of fascism. Thus, we can deduce from O'Reilly's "logic" that "fascism" encompasses both the rule of law and the rule of force, a Hobson's choice between two kinds of terrorism in Bill O'Reilly's estimation

If the federal government administering federal lands can be considered "a little fascist," or the ACLU enforcing First Amendment protections against state-sponsored religion is "fascism" and the "use of terror," then O'Reilly's comments after the September 11 attacks surely must qualify for this rubric as well: "We should not target civilians. But if [the Afghans] don't rise up against this criminal government [the Taliban], they starve, period," and, "What we can do is . . . say to those people, 'Look, we don't want to do this. But either you get rid of this guy yourself, or you're just going to have to starve to death because we're not going to let anybody in there'" (The O'Reilly Factor, 9/17/01).

The 1948 Genocide Convention (specifically, Article II(c): "Deliberately inflicting on [a national] group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part," and Article III(c): "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide") was enacted in response to the unambiguously fascist crimes of the Nazis. (Read the full text of the Convention at http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/p_genoci.htm. Note that there is no exception to this law; even if you do not like the government in a certain country, or if you believe that the country "harbors terrorists," genocide is still strictly forbidden.) Considering the United States is a signatory to the Genocide Convention, and that Article VI of the US Constitution makes all treaties entered into by the United States the "supreme law of the land," O'Reilly's call for starving the people of Afghanistan certainly seems to be a "direct and public incitement to commit genocide."

Thus it would appear that Alec Baldwin's characterization seems quite accurate, if not for all of Fox News, then certainly for Bill O'Reilly.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
any1 who defends Alec Baldwin over America is ignorant. oreilly was just telling it like it is. but for all you brainwashed folks nothing will ever change you minds
lol, they just pointed out that he was correct...you and u'r
LAME COMMENTS!!!
 
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Originally posted by Mcleanhatch...edited by nefar559
any1 who defends O'reilly is ignorant. Alec Baldwin was just telling it like it is. but for all you brainwashed folks nothing will ever change you minds
 
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brainwashed? LMFAO

factoid : a masterful and strategic move did the execs of the Fox News Network make when they hired a FORMER ATTORNEY to spew propaganda to which he pimpfully uses as a way to endorse his website and pander his wares.

correct me if im lying.

he is the epitome of narrowminded white america that honestly cant see past there community and culture to be sympathetic to the mayhem that their actions cause.

i dont support the war either. i know its inevitable and i know that i will reap a triccle the benefits when america wins but i think that they CAN kill saddam without risking the MASS of lives that will fall because of Bushes vendetta to revenge his father against Saddams assassination attempt on GHWB senior.

are you willing to DIE for G"w"B's Revenge and grandiose wish for an eternal OIL based economy???

I'm NOT! ~please correct me~

marination
 

phil

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what isnt propaganda nowadays xianex? by the way i enjoyed your thread about the god or a god. i agree that he can be a little out of touch with a lot of factors in todays society but hes still on point at least 80 percent of the time. what happens if we dont support gwb?? our only other option is to support the opposition. there is no towing the line here. my conscience doesnt force me to root for the underdog in this situation. what do you think foreigners are thinking about americans wanting to be "human shields". theyre laughing at us. i dont want america to fall, especially into the hands of ANY foreign country. really, what other government thats in place today is better for america????
 
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phil said:
what isnt propaganda nowadays.......?
look a little harder




phil said:

i agree that he can be a little out of touch with a lot of factors in todays society but hes still on point at least 80 percent of the time.
the guys only movtivation is ratings.


phil said:

what happens if we dont support gwb?? our only other option is to support the opposition.
fuck gwb.

let the UN handle this if its even a problem to begin with.
inpectors found no, nuclear weapons programs even after
the US gave them a list to sites to go.
 
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phil said:
oreilly IS conservative. he is not a republican.
my bad that^^^^ is more accurate than what i posted.

the reason that i posted what I posted is because 2-0-Sixx said that O'Reilly couldnt see the middle of the idealogical spectrum yet if that is true how does he explain O'Reilly's Liberal views like

1. against the death penalty
2. is trying to get the SUV owners to think twice about buying an SUV

i admit he O'Reilly leans towards the right but he isnt a hardcore conservative he is actually far from it.

i consider a hardcore conservative some1 like Sean Hannity, Michael Reagan, Michael Savage, Laura Ingraham, and/or Rush Limbaugh
 
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orielly kills himself with this simple point. he is inconsiderate and insensitive to anything outside the scope of "his" culture. he presents his views from a biased "peckerwood" (i.e. mah folks is better than yer folks) attitude. he doesnt WANT to consider that the opposing point of view may be better than his.

just because a person has conviction in his voice doesnt mean that hes right. did i mention he was a "defense" attourney. they get paid to present an argument that their client is innocent of charges. in other words he is a professional con(fidence) artist. many are too blind to see.

the reason we find entertainment in orielly is because he facetiously and uncompromisingly biased. if he didnt present his point so narrowmindedly no one would find him interesting at all.

what political affiliation does orielly have?