BART Shooting Trial To Be Held In L.A.

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BART Shooting Trial To Be Held In L.A.OAKLAND (CBS 5 / AP / BCN)


The ruling by Alameda County Superior Court Judge Morris Jacobson comes a month after he decided the murder trial of Johannes Mehserle would be moved out of the Bay Area because of extensive media coverage of the case, as well as concerns over shielding jurors and trial witnesses from any possible civil unrest.

State court officials had recommended two Southern California counties — Los Angeles and San Diego — to the judge as possible sites for a trial.

But Jacobson concluded that of the two, there was a larger, untainted jury pool in L.A. — with a bit more diversity. He also cited cost savings as a major factor in his decision.

"The interest of justice will best be served by transferring the case to Los Angeles County," Jacobson said.

Mehserle, 27, is charged with fatally shooting Oscar Grant III, 22, at BART's Fruitvale station in Oakland on New Year's Day. The incident was video-recorded by several bystanders on their cell phones, shown across television and the Internet and subsequently used as evidence in a preliminary hearing last spring.

"This is the most important decision in this case, other than the verdict," John Burris, the Oakland attorney representing Grant's family, said after Thursday's ruling. "If the case went to San Diego County, Mehserle would have walked."

"L.A. County has a lot more experience dealing in cases with African American men being killed by police," he said. "They can understand those issues rightly or wrongly, up or down."

Burris, who filed the Grant's family $50 million civil rights lawsuit against BART, Mehserle and other officers, said whatever verdict is reached in Los Angeles would be better accepted by Alameda County residents than would have been the case with a verdict in San Diego.

"If the trial was held in San Diego and their jury was essentially all white and Mehserle were acquitted that could cause some issues here," Burris said. "San Diego has a history of being more favorably disposed toward police officers than Los Angeles is."

Mehserle has pleaded not guilty in the case. Jacobson said that Los Angeles County court officials may not be ready to handle the case for at least six months, or even a year.

Jacobson apparently had to weigh costs for Alameda County by comparing possible trial costs in Los Angeles and San Diego counties. The judge said San Diego County court officials told him that their courthouse was not prepared for a high-profile case and would have to make significant security adjustments and provide a judge and extra bailiffs at a cost to Alameda County.

Los Angeles County said it would be able to provide its own judge and already has a sophisticated security system in place.

Mehserle's attorney, Michael Rains argued Thursday that he preferred San Diego County because it had enough courtroom space and with Mehserle's right to a speedy trial, one could begin as early as January.

Rains said delaying the trial would create "an enormous hardship" for Mehserle, who's free on $3 million bail, because he's been unemployed since resigning from BART a week after the shooting incident and has had a hard time finding another job.

"A fellow facing murder charges doesn't just walk out and get a job," Rains said. "He deserves to get this behind him."

Rains further argued that if the trial was held in Los Angeles County, there could be a "boiling cauldron" similar to the violent aftermath in the 1992 Rodney King case.

Rains said there had been more media coverage in Los Angeles about the case compared to San Diego.

"It is possible that this case ignites that boiling cauldron," Rains said.

Rains initially argued for a change of venue, citing a survey of nearly 400 potential jurors in Alameda County. It found nearly 97 percent knew details about the case, and nearly half believe Mehserle is guilty or probably guilty.

Prosecutor David Stein argued on Thursday that Los Angeles County had the capability and the security needed for such a highly charged case. He also said the odds of getting more African Americans on a jury is greater in Los Angeles County than in San Diego County.

A diverse jury will bring more "legitimacy" to Alameda County residents, no matter the final outcome, he added.

"When the verdict is ultimately rendered, the people of Alameda County must feel like their interests have been served," Stein said. "The interest of justice makes it clear that it should be in Los Angeles."

Referring to the Alameda County District Attorney's Office, Rains said, "It's ironic that the people who have sped this case along now want to put the brakes on so they can get a better venue in Los Angeles."

However, Jacobson told Rains that he could still control the timing of Mehserle's trial by pulling his waiver of Mehserle's right to a speedy trial and demanding a trial within 60 court days, even though Los Angeles court officials said they don't have a courtroom immediately available.

According to 2008 Census figures, 14 percent of Alameda County's 1.5 million residents are African-American, compared with 9 percent of the 9.9 million residents in Los Angeles County and 5 percent of 3 million residents in San Diego County.

Grant's mother, Wanda Johnson, said she was overjoyed with the judge's decision. She said she would attend the trial in L.A, adding, "I plan to be there every day."

"I want to ensure that justice is served, and my family believes that in Los Angeles County we can get a better pool of jurors and a more favorable decision there than San Diego," she explained.

Although Grant's family members had previously said they wanted Mehserle to stand trial as soon as possible, they said Thursday that there wasn't any hurry.

Cephus Johnson, Grant's uncle, said, "Waiting isn't an issue. What's important is justice."

Jacobson said he would ask state Supreme Court Chief Justice Ronald George to assign a justice to handle the trial.

Burris said it was likely that George would assign a retired Los Angeles County judge to handle the case but George has the option of assigning any available judge in the state.

Jacobson set another court hearing in the case for Dec. 15 to finalize the details of moving the case to Los Angeles.

Jacobson also maintained a gag order Thursday preventing Rains and Stein from talking to the news media about the case.
 
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I just want to see justice served.

Mehrlse's defense team is not denying the murder took place. They are claiming that Mehserle thought he was grabbing his taser and not his firearm, therefore, justifying his accidental murder of Oscar Grant.

BUT...

Officer Pirone testified during the preliminary hearing that following the shooting Mehserle stated to him he thought Oscar Grant was reaching for a gun.

If Mehserle thought Oscar Grant was reaching for a weapon he would have been inclined to use lethal force instead of a taser. This alone completely discredits his defense and should be focused on.

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Pirone Testimony:

CBS 5

Officer Tony Pirone testified for Johannes Mehserle's defense in the sixth day of a preliminary hearing. The defense has said Mehserle accidentally reached for his pistol instead of his stun gun when he shot 22-year-old Oscar Grant III.

Pirone also testified Wednesday that a video appeared to show that Grant was reaching for Pirone's gun shortly before Grant was shot and killed by Mehserle early on New Year's Day.

Mehserle, 27, is charged with murder for shooting Grant in the back while Grant was lying face down on the platform at Oakland's Fruitvale BART station. He has pleaded not guilty. The Alameda County Superior Court hearing is to determine whether he will stand trial on the murder charge.

Grant and other passengers had been pulled aside by officers after a report of fighting on the train.

Mehserle had been shouting on the platform that he was "going to Tase" Grant and that he was having trouble trying to handcuff Grant, who was "wiggling and squirming," according to Pirone. Mehserle told Grant to put his hands behind his back and stop resisting, Pirone said.

But on cross-examination, prosecutors replayed video of the shooting that showed Grant lying face down with both arms behind his back.

"What do you see in that frame?" Alameda County Deputy District Attorney David Stein asked Pirone.

"What appears to be two hands," Pirone said. "It appears to be that way. Yes, Sir."

Pirone testified that prior to the shooting, Mehserle had told him Grant was reaching for his waistband.

Pirone said that in the video played in court by Stein, it did appear that Grant's hand was reaching for his gun.

Pirone indicated Wednesday that it was the first time he noticed that aspect of the video.

"At the time, I didn't realize it," Pirone said.

Stein had originally played the video in an attempt to cast doubt on Pirone's testimony that Grant tried to knee him in the groin twice, missing the first time and connecting the second time.

The video shows Pirone and Grant engaged in a struggle, but Stein said "the footage doesn't show any kneeing" and also shows Pirone walking away without any visible signs of pain.

"For someone who's been kicked in the groin, you're standing up pretty well," Stein told Pirone.

Just before Mehserle fired, Pirone was kneeling over Grant, who was face-down on the platform. Pirone testified that Grant was "struggling the entire time" until the shot was fired.

Pirone said right before it happened that Mehserle told him to "get back," and said, "I'm going to Tase (Grant), I'm going to Tase him."

Pirone indicated that after the shot rang out he "thought the Taser had malfunctioned" because he didn't see any probes shoot out. But he saw "a black hole" in Grant's back, then looked up at Mehserle, who was holding his pistol.

"It was not something that I expected to see or hear," Pirone said.

When he realized Mehserle had shot Grant with his gun, Pirone said "Oh shit." He said Mehserle appeared to be equally stunned by what happened and looked shocked.

Pirone said Mehserle then approached him and said, "Tony, I thought he was going for a gun." Pirone replied, "Ok."

Pirone then said he had Mehserle handcuff Grant, believing he had a weapon. Grant turned out to be unarmed.

Stein asked Pirone why he didn't pull out his own gun if he thought that Grant might be reaching for a gun in his waistband.

Pirone said, "I had more control of (Grant's) body with my hand," and he didn't want to lose control by reaching for his gun.

He admitted to Stein that he did not see a reason to use lethal force against Grant because he never saw Grant with a gun.
 

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its a wrap for him

that chp killing a trip! i was reading the stockon paper about that shit. i dont know if he really did it or not
 
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its a wrap for him
if the prosecutor does his job, and i hate saying that but for this situation i will, he will be convicted of murder 1. him saying he was going to shoot him is the big discrepancy i would focus on. i admit at first i felt he could have made a mistake and reached for a taser but everything after the incident says he is guilty.
 
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thats some unfair bullshit, that faggot must have some power or somethin how u just get the trial moved because of "media coverage" and jurors wantin 2 kill his ass, what the fuck is that bullshit, we need some loyal bay area residents on that jury 2 hang his ass
 
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thats some unfair bullshit, that faggot must have some power or somethin how u just get the trial moved because of "media coverage" and jurors wantin 2 kill his ass, what the fuck is that bullshit, we need some loyal bay area residents on that jury 2 hang his ass

lol, how you gonna question and then explain the reasoning in the same damn sentence.
 
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If the jury knows what's right they will convict this fuckin' guy. If they fail to do that, there will be serious problems in these streets.

Fuckin' dipshit knew what side his taser was on and what side his gun was on. On top of that, how the fuck is a man face down with his hands behind his back going to hurt anybody when there are 2 cops over him?
 
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Fuckin' dipshit knew what side his taser was on and what side his gun was on. On top of that, how the fuck is a man face down with his hands behind his back going to hurt anybody when there are 2 cops over him?
How can you prove it?

it is reasonable to believe that during the chaos he made a mistake. It was New Years, lots of people, etc. That is his defense. The tape shows the incident but it isn't as cut and dry as we would like to think.

BUT...

you can discredit that argument with the testimony of officer pirone combined with some other group facts. His story completely contradicts the defense in this case.
 
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they should hang this piece of shit fasssstttt.

i still remember the guy who made this thread defending this piece of shit when the murder had just happened.
 
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they should hang this piece of shit fasssstttt.

i still remember the guy who made this thread defending this piece of shit when the murder had just happened.
lol.

i do not jump to conclusions like so many do.

i am not searching for the thread but doubt i was defending him. i may have said it was an accident because initially i thought it was.
 
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Shit everybody is entitled to a fair trial. A change of venue doesn't obscure the facts, and shouldn't have an effect on the outcome of the case. Dude is guilty.