At Least One Shred of Justice Happened Today

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Abu Ghraib judge declares mistrial
Former boyfriend says England was just following orders



FORT HOOD, Texas (CNN) -- A military judge on Wednesday threw out Army Pfc. Lynndie England's guilty plea in connection with the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, declaring a mistrial after testimony suggested England did not know her actions were wrong.

That testimony was offered by England's former boyfriend and supervisor, Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., who was convicted separately in the scandal and sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Graner testified Wednesday that he placed a dog leash around an Iraqi prisoner's neck and asked England to lead him out of his cell -- a legitimate technique for doing so, he said. England, who was photographed holding the leash, was just following orders, Graner said.

After that, Judge Col. James Pohl excused the jury and gave defense attorneys a tongue-lashing. Graner's testimony, he pointed out, contradicted England's guilty plea Monday to seven criminal counts -- each of which was represented by a photograph of her posing next to naked Iraqi prisoners in humiliating positions. In making that plea, she admitted her participation and said she knew it was wrong. If she was just following orders, Pohl said, she should be pleading not guilty.

Following a recess, defense attorneys told Pohl that England wished to enter a plea of not guilty, and Pohl declared a mistrial.

It now is up to military prosecutors whether to refile charges against England. If they do, her defense attorneys may renegotiate a plea deal. The maximum penalty for the seven counts -- two of conspiracy, four of abusing detainees and one of committing an indecent act -- that England pleaded guilty to on Monday is 11 years in prison, but CNN learned that she may have faced only about two years under the secret terms of the plea deal.

A six-person military jury was set to decide what punishment England should receive for her role in the scandal. Pohl told attorneys for both sides they could "negotiate a new deal and come back another day."

Graner, who is said to be the father of England's infant son, Carter England, born in October, is now married to Spec. Megan Ambuhl, one of the four guards to plead guilty in the scandal.

England's mother carried Carter into court Wednesday. In the morning, she removed the baby's hood for photographers; when she left for lunch, he was covered by a blanket.

Graner was also busted from a rank of specialist following his conviction, and is to be dishonorably discharged when he is released from prison. Leaving court on Tuesday, Graner handed out a written statement saying he found England's guilty plea "upsetting" but hopes it will bring her an easier sentence.

England, however, appeared resentful toward Graner. As the courtroom sketch artist, Pat Lopez, was drawing him, England leaned over to her and said, "Don't forget the horns."

CNN's Susan Candiotti and Jim Polk contributed to this report.




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This is justice? A person stands next to someone who is humilated and degraded...they smile, say cheese, give thumbs up and they don't know they are doing anything wrong?


What they did was the same as white men hunting down niggers, posing in front of the burnt remains smiling and taking pictures. It's no different from white men holding a decapitated porch monkies skull and looking at it as if it were a trophy. It's no different from a white man beating a run away coon while he is shackled in chains.


Good day in america!!!!! YIPPIE!!!!!!!!
 
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Yeah, she should have grabbed someone off the street instead and sawed through their neck with a small blade while they were alive, then sent the pics / video out. Oh wait.........nm



Yeah yeah, I know I'm an asshole. What she did was not humane, but it sure as fuck could have been a lot worse in this case and has been worse in many other cases. Call me ignorant, or whatever you please, it makes me smile.
 
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ROTFLMAO@justice. Bitch should be sentenced to prison along with her commanding officers and everyone in the whitehouse.

TOKZTLI, I hope all of your posts today have been sarcastic.

A few have, but in this case the shred of justice is that the soldier didnt take the fall for the commanding officer or the chain of command. Those fuckers should be going down, not her.
 
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Yeah, she should have grabbed someone off the street instead and sawed through their neck with a small blade while they were alive, then sent the pics / video out. Oh wait.........nm.

Yes, lets leave that to the godless savages, not this civilized society.
 
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TOKZTLI said:
A few have, but in this case the shred of justice is that the soldier didnt take the fall for the commanding officer or the chain of command. Those fuckers should be going down, not her.
She has a brain, she knew what she was doing was wrong regardless if she was ordered to do so or not. If she had any respect, she would have done like homeboy did who threw a grenade at US soldiers.
 
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She has a brain

Not quite, so says her defense. They had a psychologist testifying that the reservist was oxygen-deprived at birth, speech impaired and had trouble learning to read.

She's a retard and can't read the handbook on torture, let's send her to texas, they'd execute her there.
 
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shes not to blame for the mistrial , but i bet if some blonde hair ,blue eyed fagz were humilliated and tortured the judge response would be a lot different.
 
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shes not to blame for the mistrial , but i bet if some blonde hair ,blue eyed fagz were humilliated and tortured the judge response would be a lot different.
she's only going to do 2 years for this bullshit. IF THAT. I agree, if it was HER on the other side in this pics and they caught those Iraqis and held "war criminal trials" or whatever. What do you think a UN tribunal would do???

Justice doesn't exist in this fucking country.
 
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"England did not know her actions were wrong."
WTF kind of logic is that, so according to dat judge we should send back all the killerz,rapist,chesterz to the streetz coz they dont know wat they are doing.

that dumbass should know that ignorance is no excuse.