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On the one hand Saddam's regime was evil. On the other hand, a secular democracy such as ours where hookers spread diseases all day, people can sell porn, and people will be convinced to spend their entire lives working for trivial material things - this is evil too.
Which was the lesser of two evils? I don't know.
Which was the lesser of two evils? I don't know.
This guy said history books. Ok show us all when our current (or even in recent history) government gassed or tortured it's own citizens in cold blood. I had to emphasise current of course, because I don't think we want to turn this into another "should we still bomb germany for hitlers actions" type of thread. I think you understand, so let's see it. Show me something the U.S. has done in recent history that measures up to when Saddam gassed 5,000 Kurds in cold blood.
Well, the U.S is no saint when it comes to protecting it's own people. Nitro, do you honestly believe the U.S never tortured other Americans? Please don't make me provide links.
As far as gassing their own people, well in my brain, a gas weapon falls under the same category as chemical weapons, do you agree? Now, I'm sure you heard of Agent Orange, which can be classified as a chemical weapon, right? It is no secret that the U.S government was using Agent Orange throughout the entirety of the Vietnam War. There have been several accounts were evidence has shown that the government used it knowing that American soldiers would come in contact with the chemical. Shall I continue?
Now, there is a lot of debate whether or not Saddam gassed his own people. There is STRONG evidence that shows it was the Iranians, (there was a very good thread a while back. I suggest you search for it) but for arguments sake, let's say it was Saddam. Supposedly, Saddam gassed the Kurds while in battle, correct? So, isn't this example exactly like the U.S using Agent Orange on their soldiers?
As far as gassing their own people, well in my brain, a gas weapon falls under the same category as chemical weapons, do you agree? Now, I'm sure you heard of Agent Orange, which can be classified as a chemical weapon, right? It is no secret that the U.S government was using Agent Orange throughout the entirety of the Vietnam War. There have been several accounts were evidence has shown that the government used it knowing that American soldiers would come in contact with the chemical. Shall I continue?
Now, there is a lot of debate whether or not Saddam gassed his own people. There is STRONG evidence that shows it was the Iranians, (there was a very good thread a while back. I suggest you search for it) but for arguments sake, let's say it was Saddam. Supposedly, Saddam gassed the Kurds while in battle, correct? So, isn't this example exactly like the U.S using Agent Orange on their soldiers?
I would love to see where our government has tortured it's own people in cold blood. Im sure it has happened at some point in our history, but please refer back to the "germany" comment.
The United States didn't release agent orange to kill our own people. I know that Saddam's ONLY objective with releasing thoses gasses was to kill as many of his own people as he possibly could. Now you can distinguish. Go on as long as you want, as long as you can, doesn't make a shred of difference to me.
He released the gasses inside his own country on his own people, with the sloe purpose of killng them all. We released a chemical so that we could kill off the enemy in another country; we only hoped and wished that it wouldn't affect our own people. We were losing the battle. Drastic times call for drastic measures. Every person in the United States military knows what the possibilities are when joining.
You need to look at what was intended when these incidents occured. If I flicked a fucking ciggerette on the ground and the wind took it into a nearby gas station and the entire place blew up, am I a horrible or evil man? What if I flicked the cig into the gas tank, would you change your mind?
The United States didn't release agent orange to kill our own people. I know that Saddam's ONLY objective with releasing thoses gasses was to kill as many of his own people as he possibly could. Now you can distinguish. Go on as long as you want, as long as you can, doesn't make a shred of difference to me.
He released the gasses inside his own country on his own people, with the sloe purpose of killng them all. We released a chemical so that we could kill off the enemy in another country; we only hoped and wished that it wouldn't affect our own people. We were losing the battle. Drastic times call for drastic measures. Every person in the United States military knows what the possibilities are when joining.
You need to look at what was intended when these incidents occured. If I flicked a fucking ciggerette on the ground and the wind took it into a nearby gas station and the entire place blew up, am I a horrible or evil man? What if I flicked the cig into the gas tank, would you change your mind?
Oh, is that so? So what do you call releasing a chemical weapon on our own troops as well as the enemy? What, do you think they thought our troops would be immune to it? They knew damn well the effects of the weapon. You don't think that’s killing your own people?
Ok, this right here shows you know nothing of the "gas incident" what so ever. Think LOGICALLY for just one minute Nitro. Why would Saddam release gas just "to kill as many of his own people as he possibly could"??? This makes absolutely no sense at all. First off, you need to understand the history with Iraq and the Kurds (in your words "his own people"). A significant number of the Kurds had launched a revolt against Baghdad and in the process teamed up with Tehran (Iran) during the Iranian/Iraq war (The U.S supplied weapons to both countries by the way, including chemical weapons). During this time some Kurds had escaped to Turkey and claimed 1,000 - 4,000 Kurds were killed with a blood agent (like Anthrax) released by the Iraqi army. This is as far as the story goes. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds in Turkey where they had gone for asylum failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey. Later, a British laboratory tested soil samples in the Kurdish region and found that it contained small amounts mustard gas (not a blood agent, not anthrax) which was being used by the Iranians at the time. Iraq never even had any blood agents during this period of time.
Hoped and wished, huh? Yeah right. They new EXACTLY what was going to happen and they were willing to pay that price. Now, if you believe the cute little story that Saddam gassed the Kurds during the Iranian/Iraq war, I ask you again, is this not the same thing?
Oh I see. So it’s ok when the U.S did it because “Drastic times call for drastic measures” but when Saddam did it (Iraq had very high casualties in the 8 year+ war with Iran, similar to the Vietnam War) it’s not?!?! Hmm, not quite a Logical thinker, are you Nitro?
Ok, this right here shows you know nothing of the "gas incident" what so ever. Think LOGICALLY for just one minute Nitro. Why would Saddam release gas just "to kill as many of his own people as he possibly could"??? This makes absolutely no sense at all. First off, you need to understand the history with Iraq and the Kurds (in your words "his own people"). A significant number of the Kurds had launched a revolt against Baghdad and in the process teamed up with Tehran (Iran) during the Iranian/Iraq war (The U.S supplied weapons to both countries by the way, including chemical weapons). During this time some Kurds had escaped to Turkey and claimed 1,000 - 4,000 Kurds were killed with a blood agent (like Anthrax) released by the Iraqi army. This is as far as the story goes. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organizations who examined the Kurds in Turkey where they had gone for asylum failed to discover any. Nor were there ever any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey. Later, a British laboratory tested soil samples in the Kurdish region and found that it contained small amounts mustard gas (not a blood agent, not anthrax) which was being used by the Iranians at the time. Iraq never even had any blood agents during this period of time.
Hoped and wished, huh? Yeah right. They new EXACTLY what was going to happen and they were willing to pay that price. Now, if you believe the cute little story that Saddam gassed the Kurds during the Iranian/Iraq war, I ask you again, is this not the same thing?
Oh I see. So it’s ok when the U.S did it because “Drastic times call for drastic measures” but when Saddam did it (Iraq had very high casualties in the 8 year+ war with Iran, similar to the Vietnam War) it’s not?!?! Hmm, not quite a Logical thinker, are you Nitro?