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Are you politically smarter than a college student?
Foundation has strategies to get students active
By ERICA PEREZ
[email protected]
Posted: Nov. 13, 2007

The results of recent surveys of young people's political savvy are grim: Just one-third of college students said it's important to stay current with political issues and events. More than half of people ages 15 to 25 didn't know that only citizens can vote in the United States.

Faced with such troubling statistics, senior scholars with the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching released a report Tuesday with strategies to help college educators teach political topics without imposing their own views.

As the nation rolls along toward the 2008 presidential election, the report's authors urged educators to invite political officials to class and require students to do internships where they'll learn about politics in a real-world setting, for example.

More broadly, they pushed colleges and universities to provide students with incentives for political involvement similar to incentives offered to get involved in community service. More college students are volunteering than in years past, but those activities have not necessarily encouraged students to be politically engaged.

"Many campuses make individual volunteering an institutional priority, but we could not find a single campus that made political engagement a priority," said Thomas Ehrlich, a senior scholar with the Carnegie Foundation and former president of Indiana University.

Young voters' political savvy is particularly important in Wisconsin, where their turnout rate has been among the highest in the nation. In the 2004 presidential election, 63% of eligible voters ages 18 to 24 in Wisconsin cast ballots.

And according to a recent poll by Rock the Vote, WWE's Smackdown Your Vote! and Sacred Heart University, young voters likely will have a healthy turnout in the 2008 presidential election, much as they did in 2004 and 2006. The poll said students and young voters are motivated by the war in Iraq, health care, the economy and the cost of education.

The Carnegie study's authors spent three years looking at 21 programs they said successfully focus on political learning, including one involving students at Viterbo University in La Crosse. They surveyed roughly 500 students in 17 states at the beginning and end of the courses and found that, on average, students had significant increases in their political understanding, skills, motivation and expectations for future political action. Students with little initial interest in political issues made especially substantial learning gains.
And while the students changed in their enthusiasm for politics, they didn't change their party identification or political ideology, the study found.

"Education for political learning has to be unbiased and deeply committed to political open-mindedness," said Anne Colby, senior scholar with the Carnegie Foundation and former director of the Henry Murray Research Center at Radcliffe College. "Students are very turned off to extreme partisanship."

The courses ranged from single-semester and summer programs to one- and two-year programs involving courses and other activities. In studying these programs, the Carnegie study drew up five strategies for getting students more politically savvy, engaged and motivated:

• Invite speakers to the classroom, such as elected officials or grass-roots leaders.

• Use political debate in the classroom.

• Use projects where students work together to plan and carry out political action.

• Place students as employees in non-profits or government agencies that are working on the issues they're working on in class.

• Have students reflect in a structured way on their experiences through writing and discussion.

Viterbo students participate in a semester-long course in Minneapolis through the Higher Education Consortium for Urban Affairs, an organization of 17 liberal arts colleges, universities and associations dedicated to education for social justice.

Through seminars, field study and an internship in the Twin Cities, students explore poverty and inequality in urban America and the strategies aimed at addressing them.

Amanda Lube, a recent Viterbo graduate who participated in the program, did an internship with St. Stephen's Human Services, where she worked to make the delivery of social services to homeless people more efficient.
She felt she studied poverty from every angle, through every lens.

Lube said that before her semester in Minneapolis, she was a knee-jerk liberal. Now that she's learned about the complex systems that contribute to poverty, she'll assess political candidates in a more sophisticated way.

"The things we learned in there, they should absolutely be required for any social science program at a university," said Lube, who majored in sociology. "It definitely helped me realize how complicated politics are - how really hard it is to make change with the system that we have right now."

Carnegie researchers found that colleges provide several incentives for students to pursue community service: It's a plus on college applications, students can earn credits for it, and still others are required to do it to graduate. But schools don't provide the same incentives for students to get politically active.

Recent studies show that today's college students are more involved in service than in years past. A 2005 report from the Corporation for National and Community Service found that volunteering among college students increased by about 20% between 2002 and 2005.

Students aren't as engaged in politics, however. A 2006 nationwide survey of 1,700 young people ages 15 to 25 by the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning & Engagement found that 56% did not know that only citizens can vote in the United States.

It's not that there aren't opportunities to be politically engaged on campus, said Mariel Ponseti, 22, a biomedical engineering student at Marquette.
"I'm not involved at all . . . I guess I never really find time for it," she said. "There are opportunities. There are college Republicans and Democrats, and I know they said in the school paper they had people come and put on a debate . . . so there are opportunities if you want to be involved, I just don't, really."

When Carnegie researchers asked students why so many of them are likely to participate in community service but not in politics, they found some familiar explanations: They don't feel they can make an impact. The rewards are unclear. They don't trust politicians.

"But somewhat to our surprise, students have received very little opportunity, very little encouragement to become politically involved," Ehrlich said.

That resonated with Hannah Behm, 21, who is studying biomedical engineering at Marquette. She isn't politically active, but she has volunteered for Big Brothers Big Sisters.

"Marquette as a university focuses a lot on the services aspect, and I don't see them pushing any political involvement," Behm said. Still, she had a hard time picturing a way for the school to induce political activity without being partisan.

"I see (politics) as more of a personal thing," she said.
UWM history major Matt Hammes, 21, said he feels the political system benefits a limited number of people.

"I'm pessimistic about the political system," he said.
Beyond such pessimism, Hammes said, there are also "a lot of distractions: entertainment, mainly, and a lot of apathy as well."

But for Megan Warner, 20, a Marquette junior majoring in economics, it just doesn't make sense not to get involved in politics. She wasn't old enough to vote in the last presidential election, so, she said, she didn't pay as much attention as she should have. But now, she said, she's watching and thoughtfully considering her decision for 2008.

"We keep being told that we're the future of the country, and if we're not involved now at age 20, who's to say we're going to be involved at age 40?"
 

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Holy fuck, Americans are STUPID AS FUCK.

15-25, and some of them didn't know ONLY citizens can vote? WHAT THE FUCK are these assholes being taught? I'm almost 24, so I'm in that group, but I know way more obviously than most people do...fuck, i'm a genius compared to those dumb cow fucking inbreeders.

my god, that is embarassing...just to say you are in a country with people that stupid and ignorant...what the fuck is going on in the schools these days? do they just talk about being nice to people and not calling each other fags? no wonder our country is falling off...i bet a lot of people couldn't even tell you who the first president was...
 
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In defense of our "generation" - older people are lucky we even care a little bit about things. We’re constantly fed distractions that trump domestic/world events and the news is more and more entertainment and “human interest”. Not to mention the way we are ignored by older generations. It is pretty easy to be disillusioned or just not care.

It isn’t what we have done, it is what we could do if we weren’t totally dismissed. The WWII generation and Baby Boomers have pushed on our generation how important their generations were and how they did all this good stuff, but realistically for us it isn’t tangible. Nore have they kept up this mythical noble ethic.

Social Security for those generations is going to be paid for by us, but at the same time those generations have been raiding the social security fund to pay for garbage to the point that we are going to be paying for something that we’ll never see.


Our generation on a whole wants a greener more environmentally safe and more socially responsible economy – totally ignored.

Heath care and minimum wage are popular sound bites, but nothing gets done on those fronts that will contribute to the needs of our generation.

Unions have abandoned the younger generations for naked self interest so that by the time we are in our 40’s this country probably won’t have any unions anymore.

College tuition is exorbitantly high. College lending rates are totally excessive.

Etc.

When you get told over and over “vote – you can’t complain unless you vote” and “participate in the system and your voice will be heard”, but are then dismissed and your concerns ignored it doesn’t take long to say F-it. Time is then better spent playing video games and yes even watch MTV.

That said.

Civics class needs to be mandatory for graduation of high school in every state across the country – no exceptions.
 
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Aside from our difference of opinion reguarding Ron Paul I couldnt help but agree with your post here man....baby boomers like to place blame but dont take the time to look in the mirror.
 
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Civics class needs to be mandatory for graduation of high school in every state across the country – no exceptions.
Yes it does. I have barely any political knowledge. First time I had any schooling on it was in my junior year of high school and it was only one class. I barely know shit about the differences of the political parties and what it means to be a Marxist, Socialist, Libertarian, etc., even though I have wanted to. I know I could research it myself, and I have, but I would like more of this actually around me. I shouldn't have to seek it out.
 
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here you go tony, theres several of these. it gives a rough idea of each system.

Socialism -- If you have 2 cows, you give one to your neighbor.

Communism -- If you have 2 cows, you give them to the government; and the government gives you some milk.

Fascism -- If you have 2 cows, you keep the cows but give the milk to the government, who then sells you the milk at a high price.

Nazism -- If you have 2 cows, the government shoots you and keeps the cows.

New Dealism -- (FDR Version) If you have 2 cows, you shoot one, milk the other one; then pour the milk down the drain.

Capitalism -- (Reaganomics) If you have 2 cows, you sell one and buy a bull; you then sell all the excess milk to the government who in turn ships it to fascist and communist governments.

Anarchism -- If you have 2 cows, your neighbor on your left takes one cow, and the one on the right takes the other; while your backyard neighbor takes the milk, the bucket and the stool.

Utopianism -- If you have 2 cows, Mother Nature zaps the cows, turning their udders into eternal milk-shake dispensers.

Radical Feminism -- If you have 2 cows, you declare an amazonian state free of bull oppression and sit around waiting for the cows to hump each other.
More Cows, from Julie Waters:

Feudalism -- You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Pure Socialism -- You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

Bureaucratic Socialism -- You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs the regulations say you should need.

Fascism -- You have two cows. The government takes both, h ires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure Communism -- You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian Communism -- You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

Cambodian Communism -- You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Dictatorship -- You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

Pure Democracy -- You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

Representative Democracy -- You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

Bureaucracy -- You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

Pure Anarchy -- You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

Libertarian: Anarcho-capitalism -- You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Surrealism -- You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

http://monster-island.org/tinashumor/humor/politcow.html
 
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That shit is so lame. It's like a bad e-mail forward gone haywire. Attempting to describe a socio-economic political system in two sentences about cows is retarded.
 

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That shit is so lame. It's like a bad e-mail forward gone haywire. Attempting to describe a socio-economic political system in two sentences about cows is retarded.
I was thinking the same thing. Although some of them were funny, they weren't very accurate in most cases.

Tony, I agree with you about not knowing a lot. I learned most of what I learn from coming in here and seeing things I didn't know about, then going online and googling it and reading up on it for a few hours. It's taken me awhile to do the research that I have, but it's well worth it.

If you read through threads in here more often and ask questions, you'll learn quickly.

I do think it's shitty how in high school they don't teach you dick. You learn about war but nothing about what goes into that, or anything besides, "the US helped these people by blowing up this other country and then paying to have it rebuilt." Yeah, great. But what's really going on? Well, the "normal" people shouldn't know...and the super rich don't want the "lower" class to really find out what's going on.

You know, Bush gave tax cuts to mega rich people...wal mart and mcdonalds and coke, and all them...some of them are saving $310 MILLION over the next 10 years in taxes. I think that could have gone to fund something important, but now these idiots will just spend it to build more wal marts and shit like that.
 
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Tony, I agree with you about not knowing a lot. I learned most of what I learn from coming in here and seeing things I didn't know about, then going online and googling it and reading up on it for a few hours. It's taken me awhile to do the research that I have, but it's well worth it.

If you read through threads in here more often and ask questions, you'll learn quickly.
Yeah, I'm in here all the time, just rarely post. This is where I have received all of my political knowledge besides that one class. I also got a little bit from the CPA I used to work for, but it wasn't much.
 
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yeah sorry about that list, its not the one i was thinking of. one of my teachers had a better list i think it only did 8 different systems...had funny pictures and made more sense. but that is like a 30 second intro to the different systems.