anybody ever watch " the secret"

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#21
I was reffered to this movie from some chick at my work, who after over hearing my complaining about how life sucks etc said check it out... What a bad choice that was.

I know the idea of Quantom-Physics...what comes up must come down...eye for an eye...but this is just stupid... the movie states pretty much...if you put enough positive attitude towards life, that's what you will get out of it...if you want something, and you REALLY think about it...you'll get it....that's the statement!

I have no positive energy for the world, I will keep that energy for myself when I will really need it...I open doors for people, I'm a nice enough guy and I love helping people out..people like me in general...I see no need to do anything MORE than what I'm already doing..I am a good person...bad shit ALWAYS happens to me, that's how my life is and always will be, I won't change unless reality changes first.

I can see people trying to do what the movie tells them to do for a month then stopping because it's fucked up and doesn't work.

putting positive energy into a world of negative, greed, jelousy, hate, anger..is just going to get me caught up and fuck up...this is my humble opinion.

besides, oprah stands by this movie...so I'm not down with it for that fact as well
 
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I have no positive energy for the world, I will keep that energy for myself when I will really need it...I open doors for people, I'm a nice enough guy and I love helping people out..people like me in general...I see no need to do anything MORE than what I'm already doing..I am a good person...bad shit ALWAYS happens to me, that's how my life is and always will be, I won't change unless reality changes first.

reality changes within as its all about how YOU interpret things. You interpret them different than a saint would, and both of you are right, so what i do to see which is the better way to go is see the final influence that the two realities affect my life.

like anybody can correct me about this, but we discussed how the emotions we feel are actually an effect of the body releasing oxytocin for love, or cortisol for fear. To me it seems like it is the conscious/subconscious mind that tells it what to release based on the reality you create for yourself.
Like, an event happening to one culture might make them feel love, while the same event happening to another culture will scare them. So is it the external event that really matters, or the internal interpretation of "blah" that matters?


if you want to change reality, you need to unconditionally love it. Because the only way you will understand reality is if you accept it wholly. If you have your personal ideas about reality then your ideas is what you will see.
 
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honestly tho how are u to change the negative energy round u..scenerio's happen and ppl hate...im thinking of sum chappell shyt right now...lol..imagine this- a foo is on this program for a month..feeling confident n aint letting no-one bring down his mood..he walks in a bar with his chick to get sum drinks...then sum foo's cum up and bump into him and are all "watch where u go dip wad!" then he's all gentlemen, lets handle this in a civalized approach, common guys ill buy u a drink...n they all "what!" "fuck this mfer up for being so retarted bra!" n bomb on him n front of the lady n then take his lady too...there is no positiveness outa that mess and they aint gunna not bother him cuz he's being a saint and acting like a biotch bout the whole thing..common....
 
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reality changes within as its all about how YOU interpret things. You interpret them different than a saint would, and both of you are right, so what i do to see which is the better way to go is see the final influence that the two realities affect my life.

like anybody can correct me about this, but we discussed how the emotions we feel are actually an effect of the body releasing oxytocin for love, or cortisol for fear. To me it seems like it is the conscious/subconscious mind that tells it what to release based on the reality you create for yourself.
Like, an event happening to one culture might make them feel love, while the same event happening to another culture will scare them. So is it the external event that really matters, or the internal interpretation of "blah" that matters?


if you want to change reality, you need to unconditionally love it. Because the only way you will understand reality is if you accept it wholly. If you have your personal ideas about reality then your ideas is what you will see.
co-sign..

lol the 'key' to blissful happiness is right inside you...

no, no, i think its in a new mercedes benz on 22's.
 
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different strokes for different folks.

it does start inside you. im not saying its a life altering movie if you don't have the drive to be succesful to begin with. people coming from negative envirements could benefit and understand that its up to them to make the change and do what they need to. obviously being in this forum some of you have a good head on your shoulders. i know theres the characters as well trying to get a rise but for the most part this isn't aimed at the people that have it all in their little palms. this is more for the people without direction that may need it. scams are everywhere no doubt, shit, step into your local church, but overall why is their counselors, physchiatrists, etc? some people need them. i refuse to let close-minded individuals opinion affect mine. or you kids for that matter. we are all right. if thats your reality. you have to be a man or woman though off top. that little scenario dalu stated is for the weak. it just doesn't go down like that in my world.

seriouslythug, good post. i like the fact that you brought some intelligent convo to the thread. it makes alot of sense.
 
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well since i dont have much to do till a couple of hours, i took the time to research this secret

here's a decent summary i found

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Catchy review title? Thought so. Robert Cialdini, renowned psychology researcher and author of Influence: The Power of Persuasion (perhaps the best book ever written on the subject) identifies six basic rules employed by politicians, advertisers and scam artists alike to persuade others. Each of them are employed quite adeptly by Rhonda Byrne in this book.

Cialdini's first principle is SCARCITY; people want what's expensive, exculsive, or otherwise attainable. Byrne's mastery of this principle is clearly shown by the very name of the book: The Secret. We all learned this the first week of kindergarten as we felt the jealousy of watching two classmates, hands cupped over ears, sharing a secret out of earshot.

This message is reinforced throughout the book and its advertising campaign which pitches "The Secret" (whatever it actually is) as jealousy-guarded information hoarded by the happy, wealthy and successful. Whenever someone tries convincing you of something, whether it's a way to make enormous sums of money, to lose weight, etc - be wary of when it's pitched as "the knowledge THEY don't want you to have." Think about it - everything from the "secrets that Wall Street doesn't want you to know" to "uncovered - celebrities' secrets to staying young" are phrased not simply to pique your interest but to make you jealous. Appeals to our emotion are far more powerful than appeals to reason, and Byrne demonstrates mastery of this principle throughout "The Secret."

Cialdini's second principle is LIKING. We like those who like us, and in turn, we do business with them. Positive thinking and emotional intelligence has been linked to strong interpersonal relationships, academic and professional success, and good health, but there is a fine line when positive thinking crosses over to unjustified exuberance. Instead of simply noting the substantial benefits of positive thinking (a well-accepted principle which wouldn't sell books), Byrne crosses the line so blatantly that anyone with a modicum of modesty would find it blasphemous.

AUTHORITY is another Cialdini principle, also in play in "The Secret" in quite subtle ways. Another technique which differentiates this book from just another book of positive thinking is the heavy use of quasiscientific language, which gives the impression that the "law of attraction" is (or will become) an accepted scientific principle, just like the law of gravity or the law of attraction of oppositely-charged particles in chemistry. Many people are both intimidated and confused by the authority of science, a fact exploited by manipulators ranging from Byrne to peddlers of magic weight-loss pills.

Since no respected physicist would ever publish a paper on the universality of the "law of attraction," Byrne indirectly seeks experts in other ways. She attributes the success of people ranging from Einstein to Beethoven to adherence of "The Secret," thereby manufacturing experts. After all, if Einstein and Shakespeare mastered "The Secret," who are YOU to question it?

The last two Cialdini principles are CONSISTENCY and SOCIAL PROOF. The success of this book should leave little doubt it will be followed by more (and more expensive) forms of media peddling "The Secret." The audio recordings, weekend seminars, advertising tie-ins, and other follow-up products certain to follow will exploit these two principles. Once people commit themselves to believing happiness will come from "The Secret," they will attribute future successes, whether a promotion or a great new relationship, to adherence to it. Conversely, setbacks will be even more powerfully in committing people to "The Secret," as people will attribute their failures to not living up to "The Secret" (and buying more of Byrne's books). Consistency dictates it will be less painful to buy more books and immerse one's self further into "The Secret" than to accept the whole premise is a quite ridiculous; while not as pernicious as a domineering cult, "The Secret" promises to charge you handsomely for a positive outlook on life.

Byrne's book is problematic on many levels. On it's face, it's a manipulative marketing tool meant to flatter, confuse and deceive. It's also pseudoscience at its best, the last thing we need to encourage in an increasingly technological world which requires healthy skepticism and critical thought. Most damaging, though, is how the book perverts reality by encouraging people to equate a positive outlook on life with a childish, idiotic narcissism. Ayn Rand must be rolling in her grave hearing about the modern manifestation of her objectivist movement reduced to the intellectual equivalent of canned pork.

If you're interested in "The Secret," I highly encourage you to read the book - yeah, READ the book - if for any other reason so not to be manipulated by its brilliant marketing. Read it with a critical eye, with a copy of Cialdini's book in the other hand. You may not learn the secret of happiness, but you WILL learn a lot about manipulation and influence from a master of the subject in Rhonda Byrne.

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#30
looks like one persons OPINION.

well since i dont have much to do till a couple of hours, i took the time to research this secret

here's a decent summary i found

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Catchy review title? Thought so. Robert Cialdini, renowned psychology researcher and author of Influence: The Power of Persuasion (perhaps the best book ever written on the subject) identifies six basic rules employed by politicians, advertisers and scam artists alike to persuade others. Each of them are employed quite adeptly by Rhonda Byrne in this book.

Cialdini's first principle is SCARCITY; people want what's expensive, exculsive, or otherwise attainable. Byrne's mastery of this principle is clearly shown by the very name of the book: The Secret. We all learned this the first week of kindergarten as we felt the jealousy of watching two classmates, hands cupped over ears, sharing a secret out of earshot.

This message is reinforced throughout the book and its advertising campaign which pitches "The Secret" (whatever it actually is) as jealousy-guarded information hoarded by the happy, wealthy and successful. Whenever someone tries convincing you of something, whether it's a way to make enormous sums of money, to lose weight, etc - be wary of when it's pitched as "the knowledge THEY don't want you to have." Think about it - everything from the "secrets that Wall Street doesn't want you to know" to "uncovered - celebrities' secrets to staying young" are phrased not simply to pique your interest but to make you jealous. Appeals to our emotion are far more powerful than appeals to reason, and Byrne demonstrates mastery of this principle throughout "The Secret."

Cialdini's second principle is LIKING. We like those who like us, and in turn, we do business with them. Positive thinking and emotional intelligence has been linked to strong interpersonal relationships, academic and professional success, and good health, but there is a fine line when positive thinking crosses over to unjustified exuberance. Instead of simply noting the substantial benefits of positive thinking (a well-accepted principle which wouldn't sell books), Byrne crosses the line so blatantly that anyone with a modicum of modesty would find it blasphemous.

AUTHORITY is another Cialdini principle, also in play in "The Secret" in quite subtle ways. Another technique which differentiates this book from just another book of positive thinking is the heavy use of quasiscientific language, which gives the impression that the "law of attraction" is (or will become) an accepted scientific principle, just like the law of gravity or the law of attraction of oppositely-charged particles in chemistry. Many people are both intimidated and confused by the authority of science, a fact exploited by manipulators ranging from Byrne to peddlers of magic weight-loss pills.

Since no respected physicist would ever publish a paper on the universality of the "law of attraction," Byrne indirectly seeks experts in other ways. She attributes the success of people ranging from Einstein to Beethoven to adherence of "The Secret," thereby manufacturing experts. After all, if Einstein and Shakespeare mastered "The Secret," who are YOU to question it?

The last two Cialdini principles are CONSISTENCY and SOCIAL PROOF. The success of this book should leave little doubt it will be followed by more (and more expensive) forms of media peddling "The Secret." The audio recordings, weekend seminars, advertising tie-ins, and other follow-up products certain to follow will exploit these two principles. Once people commit themselves to believing happiness will come from "The Secret," they will attribute future successes, whether a promotion or a great new relationship, to adherence to it. Conversely, setbacks will be even more powerfully in committing people to "The Secret," as people will attribute their failures to not living up to "The Secret" (and buying more of Byrne's books). Consistency dictates it will be less painful to buy more books and immerse one's self further into "The Secret" than to accept the whole premise is a quite ridiculous; while not as pernicious as a domineering cult, "The Secret" promises to charge you handsomely for a positive outlook on life.

Byrne's book is problematic on many levels. On it's face, it's a manipulative marketing tool meant to flatter, confuse and deceive. It's also pseudoscience at its best, the last thing we need to encourage in an increasingly technological world which requires healthy skepticism and critical thought. Most damaging, though, is how the book perverts reality by encouraging people to equate a positive outlook on life with a childish, idiotic narcissism. Ayn Rand must be rolling in her grave hearing about the modern manifestation of her objectivist movement reduced to the intellectual equivalent of canned pork.

If you're interested in "The Secret," I highly encourage you to read the book - yeah, READ the book - if for any other reason so not to be manipulated by its brilliant marketing. Read it with a critical eye, with a copy of Cialdini's book in the other hand. You may not learn the secret of happiness, but you WILL learn a lot about manipulation and influence from a master of the subject in Rhonda Byrne.

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you know everytime you post its to discredit somebody. im not mad at all. i know you've probably had numerous names and are a regular on this website. but hey, if thats what floats your boat, keep it afloat. but back to the subject, this persons opinion could be accurate.

edit= do me a favor and post the link to your gathered info. i'd like to look at. thanks in advanced.
 
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#31
it does start inside you. im not saying its a life altering movie if you don't have the drive to be succesful to begin with. people coming from negative envirements could benefit and understand that its up to them to make the change and do what they need to. obviously being in this forum some of you have a good head on your shoulders. i know theres the characters as well trying to get a rise but for the most part this isn't aimed at the people that have it all in their little palms. this is more for the people without direction that may need it. scams are everywhere no doubt, shit, step into your local church, but overall why is their counselors, physchiatrists, etc? some people need them. i refuse to let close-minded individuals opinion affect mine. or you kids for that matter. we are all right. if thats your reality. you have to be a man or woman though off top. that little scenario dalu stated is for the weak. it just doesn't go down like that in my world.

seriouslythug, good post. i like the fact that you brought some intelligent convo to the thread. it makes alot of sense.
i say it jokenly..and yea i saw that movie (watched the whole thing) now if that movie is what modivates u, then go for it..am not too sure why u wanted to lay all this out on ppl here if your so confident n your beliefs..u need to learn to lighten up and accept humor n your life, there is no negative vibe what i was projecting..it was meant for humor so you technically dont understand the secret yourself..i am a very positive individual and kid a lot so what...life would be boring if i didnt and i am pretty successful which had no part to do with the secret..its all in me to empower myself- no video is gunna do it for me...
 
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#32
you know everytime you post its to discredit somebody. im not mad at all. i know you've probably had numerous names and are a regular on this website. but hey, if thats what floats your boat, keep it afloat. but back to the subject, this persons opinion could be accurate.

edit= do me a favor and post the link to your gathered info. i'd like to look at. thanks in advanced.
what?

i guess cause my comment was under Mr. Rictus?

did you take it as an insult?

look homie since that article at beginning i have been sincere and extra nice to you

with the "stay in school" "dont give up on your dreams" and "keep working hard" which i still stand by.

and i dont always post to discredit someone,

and dont give me the "you spend all day here" stuff

cause im in a better position to roast you

here's another one

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/03/05/the_secret/print.html

this guy had a whole show with the same technique

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6694266848549858270

the other article was a review in amazon,

there's a bunch of articles in the net
 
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i misinterpeted you.

i say it jokenly..and yea i saw that movie (watched the whole thing) now if that movie is what modivates u, then go for it..am not too sure why u wanted to lay all this out on ppl here if your so confident n your beliefs..u need to learn to lighten up and accept humor n your life, there is no negative vibe what i was projecting..it was meant for humor so you technically dont understand the secret yourself..i am a very positive individual and kid a lot so what...life would be boring if i didnt and i am pretty successful which had no part to do with the secret..its all in me to empower myself- no video is gunna do it for me...
im not gonna get into this or that. im doing just fine in life also. prety succesful thus far and working towards being much more succesful. its not intended for people with the knowledge you obviously have. my bad.
 
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understand...what you fail to adhere to is that some people like where they are in life and what makes them happy isnt material stuff...your drive for success is correct for what comforts u but the way of viewing how others reflect their successes or what they choose to want to do in life is incorrect..everyone is different, and unfortunatly we live in a world of unpositive turn of events n people, no matter how positive u will be, there will always be obstacles that come towards you...its how you choose to deal with them..never judge anyone on here because they may surprise you with what they know and who they are...you reference sum others here as tho they are not above you...whether they watch the secret or not- never judge a book by its cover, u will always be wrong if u go through life like that....and if u strongly believe in the secret u would know to be caring and forgiving, considerate of others...u need to watch the movie again..
 
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i hear you.

understand...what you fail to adhere to is that some people like where they are in life and what makes them happy isnt material stuff...your drive for success is correct for what comforts u but the way of viewing how others reflect their successes or what they choose to want to do in life is incorrect..everyone is different, and unfortunatly we live in a world of unpositive turn of events n people, no matter how positive u will be, there will always be obstacles that come towards you...its how you choose to deal with them..never judge anyone on here because they may surprise you with what they know and who they are...you reference sum others here as tho they are not above you...whether they watch the secret or not- never judge a book by its cover, u will always be wrong if u go through life like that....and if u strongly believe in the secret u would know to be caring and forgiving, considerate of others...u need to watch the movie again..
i definately don't judge books by their cover. i stopped that a few years ago. i must say that it is suprising to watch peoples post. almost split personalities. yeah, i can say that i kinda of have a biased opinion sometimes towards individuals on this site. there is alot kids here. but obviously your not one of those people. right on 4 the insight.

la reid, im not up on a jester, but its all good.
 
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I can be just as childish as the rest of us here....but, i am also business minded...you can say my personality is two ways....

I have many interests and read, watch documentary stuff, find out about current events as well as global, market, business...nope u would deff not peg that by just my looks or what i write here...