another blow to the bush admin

[nefar559]

CIA Official: Iraq War Helping al-Qaida
source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...4/ap_on_go_ot/britain_cia_anonymous&printer=1

BBC Broadcast

Tue Jul 13, 8:21 PM ET Add U.S. Government - AP to My Yahoo!



LONDON - A CIA (news - web sites) official who claims in a book that the West is losing the war on terror said in an interview Tuesday night that the war in Iraq (news - web sites) was actually helping al-Qaida.

The 23-year veteran of the CIA, who also has spoken with the U.S. media, is releasing the book anonymously and has not identified himself.


"Iraq was a gift of epic proportions to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and those who think like him," the man said, his face hidden during the interview on the British Broadcasting Corp. "Newsnight" show.


The CIA veteran's claim comes at a time when British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) is facing the prospect of another potentially critical report to be released on Wednesday on Britain's participation in the war in Iraq.


The book, "Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror," is to be released next month in the United States.


In the BBC interview the official dismisses two arguments that have been made by the Bush administration: that bin Laden and al-Qaeda are "on the run" and that the Iraq invasion has made America safer.


Criticizing the intelligence information used about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction before the war, the CIA official said: "Currently, we're in a lose-lose situation in Iraq and Afghanistan (news - web sites). If we stay, we bleed. If we go, the problem festers even worse."


He urged the United States to debate its policies in the Middle East, including its support for countries such as oil giant Saudi Arabia and its unqualified support for Israel.


"I think before you draft a policy to defeat bin Laden you have to understand that our policies are what drives him and those who follow him," the official told BBC.


Asked about the recent report of the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee on Iraq, he said: "If the message about the nature of the evidence was not given to the president, then it's not a question of bad analysis it's a question of bad management."

 

[THA RIPPA]

CIA -- THERES a reputable source

 

[phil]

how come all of a sudden a government agency gets credible when they say something you like? if they had said they found wmd you'd be claiming they planted them.

 

[nefar559]

how come all of a sudden a government agency gets credible when they say something you like? if they had said they found wmd you'd be claiming they planted them.

clueless,

becuase its being backed by an insider.

 

[THA RIPPA]

His (phils) point isnt hurt at all. If this same insider had said hed found WMDs, youd be all against it. With these sources, you want to play them to your conveinience.

 

[phil]

all of a sudden nefar has faith in a servant of the u.s. govt.

 

[tadou]

An anonymous author! Neato! I like fiction!

I'm thinking of writing my own documentary, but i still haven't came up with a good twist yet. I'll think one up soon though.

 

[ColdBlooded]

The right wingers have a point.

If this dude was really worth while why not just come out and show who he is?

Don't give me some threat shit either cuz it's the CIA we're talking about, like they can't figure out who this dude is?

The obvious assumption is that it's some nobody. Could be the secretary of the guy who checks you at the metal detector when you enter CIA headquarters for all we know.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

al-CIAda

 

[L Mac-a-docious]

This thread should be titled-"Another Bush Admin Blows."

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You know, fuck the media...all the recent reports, "Bush admin was led to believe Iraq had weapons", or "It was based on Flawed intelligence"

Bullshit. This is exactly what the Bush Admin. wants, "we were misled", "not our fault" blah blah blah

Fuck off. They knew from the start there were no weapons, no threats...it was the administration’s determination to gain control of strategic, oil-rich Iraq, implant an enduring military presence there, and, not incidentally, eliminate any possible threat from Iraq to Israel’s security.

Media: do your fucking jobs, stop being korporate tools.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

He spoke an anonymity because he probably feared for his life. Common sense could fucking tell you that the Iraq War is hurting America's position in the War on Terror. That's fucking the result of 2 and 2. "Invade large oil-rich Middle Eastern country with American troops who know little to nothing about Iraqi/Middle Eastern culture, and Middle Eastern people will LOVE you. Terrorism will STOP! It's genius!"

The IISS put this out in a report awhile ago (prompting tadou to call them a libby-inspired organization out for political goals...shit, They're only an international thinktank serving large governments and corporations strategic reports for decades! They've obviously changed into a short term focus on the Kerry campaign!)...this man and many others are merely echoing a sentiment that has been out for a good while since the beginning of the war.

Invading Iraq would not go over well in the minds of Middle Eastern people, believing it would is fucking ludicrous. The war on Terror is not a war of guns and bombs. You can not shoot someone into liking you. Bush and all were sorely misled believing that an Iraq invasion would in ANY way help America.

 

[ColdBlooded]

He spoke an anonymity because he probably feared for his life.

Don't give me some threat shit either cuz it's the CIA we're talking about, like they can't figure out who this dude is?

..

 

[RaginHomosexual]

Wow. Partisan bickering in this forum? I've never seen such a thing.

The only independant thinker seems to be already dead, and he's a fucking faggot.

 

[tadou]

@W.D.
And yet, for all your bitching, you can only come up with ONE line about this anonymous author. -- "He spoke an anonymity because he probably feared for his life." -- The one line on the subject was WEAK, and the rest of the post was just your usual, recycled whining.

Does Richard A Clarke fear for his life? Bob Woodward? Molly Ivins? Howard Stern? You might still be living in your "Gotta-stay-awake--if-I-fall-asleep-they'll-put-a-microchip-in-my-arm!!!" world, but that doesn't mean the rest of us are.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Supposing he doesn't fear for his personal safety - he could be looking for a job in the private sector, and didn't want to get labeled a whistleblower. He could be honestly wanting to get the information out while keeping a job in the CIA. There are any multitude of reasons he could have said this.

In any case, there is no proof that these are the words of a CIA informant. Never did I say this guy or this interview as 100% positively identified as the real thing. I was just speaking from the position of "if this were for real, why would he remain anonymous".

You don't need to go to the CIA, the IISS, the Washington Institute for Middle Eastern policy, or any other numerous sources to get this info. Common sense would tel you...invade a Middle Eastern country, watch more Middle Eastern people take up arms against you. If you deny that postulation, I don't see why you would even be on this board in the first place.

The Iraq War has given international terrorists a frontline base against America - they no longer have to worry about faking visas, taking flights, or crossing guarded borders to attack America. They now have abattleground in their own backyard, and a rallying cry to the Arab world on why America should be attacked and resisted.