Algae fuel

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ThaG

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Algae doesnt grow on oceans...they grown on ponds and lakes.

Photobioreactors can also reproduce algae.

Most of the algae being tested is grown in facilitys that already exist, like water treatment plants.
Algae grow primarily in oceans

But anyway, there aren't enough ponds and lakes to power the whole world economy

And the problem with algae is the same problem that makes every sort of biofuel not a viable energy source:

The people who think biofuels will save the world do so because of this equation:

H20 + CO2 + sunlight = (CH2O)n + O2

There is a little problem with that equation and it is that its real form is:

H20 + CO2 + <nitorgen, phosphorus and lots of minerals> + sunlight = (CH2O)n + O2 + <nitorgen, phosphorus and lots of minerals that don't re-enter the ecosystem when biofuels are produced>
 
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Algae grow primarily in oceans
Seaweed, which is a form, does yes. But we are talkig about "pond scum", not seaweed.

But anyway, there aren't enough ponds and lakes to power the whole world economy
Thus, facilities and photobioreactors.

And the problem with algae is the same problem that makes every sort of biofuel not a viable energy source:

The people who think biofuels will save the world do so because of this equation:

H20 + CO2 + sunlight = (CH2O)n + O2

There is a little problem with that equation and it is that its real form is:

H20 + CO2 + <nitorgen, phosphorus and lots of minerals> + sunlight = (CH2O)n + O2 + <nitorgen, phosphorus and lots of minerals that don't re-enter the ecosystem when biofuels are produced>
I could probably take your word on this, becuase im no scientist...but im going to try and research it myself.
 
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ThaG

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Growing algae photosynthetically in open ponds (lowest cost, lowest control)

This is the line of experimentation started by DOE. Open ponds are cheap, but must contend with invasive species. Also, water demands are high due to evaporation.
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Growing algae photosynthetically in closed bioreactors (higher cost, more control)

Algae "bioreactors" are enclosed containers exposed to sunlight. Closed bioreactors prevent contamination by unwanted species and reduce water use. But they cost more than open ponds because of the need for "photomodulation" - exposing the algae to just the right amount of light.

Bioreactor systems have another important advantage: they can capture and reuse waste CO2 from coal plants and other industrial processes. Skeptics note that when the algae are burned, they release the captured carbon into the atmosphere. But because algal fuel displaces petroleum fuel, net carbon emissions are significantly reduced.
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Growing algae in the dark through fermentation (highest cost, highest control)

This is the approach of Solazyme in San Franciso. When algae are grown photosynthetically, they manufacture their own sugar from water, air, and light. Solazyme turns off photosynthesis by growing them in complete darkness and feeding them sugar.

Feeding sugar makes the algae produce more oil. Plus the energy-dense food allows the algae to be grown in much higher concentrations, reducing costs and easing harvest. On the downside, it puts the process back in competition with food crops, undercutting one of algal fuel's unique strengths.
I don't see anything about the net energy return, which is not good
 
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So then theirs corn, saw grass, sugar cain, hemp etc.........Isn't this just solar energy? I wonder what the ratios are? a field of corn or algae vs. the same square footage of solar cells....did he say anthing about that in the video I didn't watch? What about solar cells on the moon? They could power a city up their indefinitely...solar rays/no atmosphere (we can have that here if we get rid of the rest of the Hozone)? or maybe a gigantic anoxygenic-aerobic photobacteria farm underneath of a huge algae farm exponential returns. http://www.alga.cz/users/koblizek/aaps.htm ...or whatever.

Or we could just stop fucking so much and have sustainable energy in 100 years........................
 

ThaG

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What you say is absolutely correct - all sorts of biofuels are in essence converted solar energy

So we are much better off directly using solar energy than having to go through live organisms for it, which consume water, soil, fertilizers, etc.