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Did you know?
Of Terrell Owens' "best ever" 16 touchdowns last season, 14 came against sub-.500 teams.

Reason #1 why Owens is overrated:
70% of Owens' receptions are caught within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage
Owens caught 93 passes, 65 of which were caught within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage (70%). Think about that -- 7 out of every 10 balls he caught was within 10 yards downfield. Pathetic. J.J. Stokes was slightly better, catching "only" 67% within 10 yards downfield. Tai Streets, the Niners' supposed "deep threat", caught 79% under 10 yards downfield. Is there any wonder why we refer to the 49ers as being a cheesy 2-yard pass offense?

In relating this to the discussion of the level of Owens' talent, in case you don't get it, the shorter the pass, the less risk, and the easier it is to complete. So when you consider the talent of Owens as a wide receiver, you have to consider the length of his attempts because -- bottom line -- if he's catching a bunch of short passes, he's not really proving anything except that he's good at catching a lot of easy passes.

Owens, of course, is among the pack of receivers catching the most easy passes, so how do we differentiate between their talent level? Well, we found that according to Stats, Inc., the 49ers attempted 155 passes to Owens and completed 93 (60%). This is just about what you would expect from your typical NFL receiver who catches 70% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage -- his actual deviation from his expected success rate is 1.8%.

Reason #2: Owens drops more passes than almost every other receiver
Not only does Owens fail catch more passes than expected, but he also drops more balls than expected. 16.1% of Owens' incompletions were because he dropped the ball (again, drops according to Stats, Inc.). Of the 67 receivers we examined, only 12 had a worse drop rate. And he's supposed to be "elite"?

Reason #3 why Owens is overrated: 88% of his touchdowns were against teams with losing records
Of course, the Whiner fans and media are screaming by now that what makes Owens truly special is how dangerous and exciting he supposedly is with the ball. Well, given that all his "danger and excitement" didn't translate into leading the league in yards per catch, they then point to his NFL-leading 16 TD catches. While the 49er fans and media drool over Owens' gaudy TD total, again, the behind-the-scenes data clears the air on Owens' TDs:

TDs against teams under .500 (10 games): 14
TDs against teams .500 or better (6 games): 2


Can you guess how many TDs Owens had in their one playoff game? Zero, of course, because Green Bay was a good team, silly. Fact is, most of Owens' TDs were the result of broken down, bad coverage, or bad tackling -- all courtesy of the bad teams that always seem to populate the Niners' schedule.

Just in case this, on its own merits, doesn't convince the Whiner fans, let's compare Owens' TD breakdown to the second leading TD scorer, Marvin Harrison:

TDs against teams under .500 (4 games): 4
TDs against teams .500 or better (12 games): 11

And how do Rod Smith's 11 TDs break down?

TDs against teams under .500 (8 games): 5
TDs against teams .500 or better (8 games): 6

We could go on, but the point should be exceedingly clear. Not everyone pads their stats against crappy teams. Some receivers, notably the #2 and #3 ranked behind Owens on the TD list last year, performed just as well or even stepped it up against the better teams.

Being "dangerous with the ball" only against bad teams doesn't prove anything, and it certainly is no basis for arguing a receiver is the most talented or exciting in the league. A receiver who is being called "the best in the NFL" should perform consistently no matter what the competition. Owens does not. He virtually disappears against the better teams or even outright chokes (see: his costly drop against the Rams at home last year). Once again, another piece added to the conclusion that Owens is overrated.
 
Aug 26, 2002
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The first and foremost reason why a 49er fan became a 49er fan is because they won, and they win a lot since 1981. To the 49er fan, everything comes down to winning. What the 49er fan doesn't realize is that when we look at the history of winning, the 49ers lose.

Total Winning Percentage
One can objectively assert that the best team ever has the highest winning percentage. Here are the top winning percentages for NFL franchises:

1. Miami .607
t. Cleveland .607
3. Dallas .600
4. Oakland .596
5. Chicago .588
6. 49ers .583

Conclusion: the 49ers are not the best team ever based on their total winning percentage.

Total Championships Won.
One can objectively assert that the best team ever is the one that has won it all the most times. Here is how many championships won by the top teams in history:

Green Bay 12
Chicago Bears 7
Dallas 5
Cleveland 5
Washington 5
Giants 5
49ers 5

Conclusion: Tied for third is a great accomplishment for the 49ers, but it doesn't make them the best team ever

"The 49ers have the most Super Bowl wins:"
Of course, the 49ers in actuality are TIED for the most Super Bowl wins. Are 49er fans therefore saying that based on this, the Cowboys are also the best team ever? Can we have 2 best teams ever? Perhaps it is like how there are 2 best QBs ever in the 49er world, Joe and Steve?



"The 49ers have never lost a Super Bowl:"
Well, neither have the Giants, Bears, or Jets. Of course, the quick response is that the 49ers have never lost in 5 tries. While it may sound good to say that, is it really something to brag about? Isn't it actually an admission that the 49ers are just second-banana? What it really admits is that the 49ers have only been there 5 times, whereas the Cowboys have been there 8 times. Which bears more weight, winning the 5 times you are there, or also winning 5 AND being in the Super Bowl more times?



"The 49ers were the first to win 5 Super Bowls:"
Do we really need to spend time on this one? Based on our E-mail we do. The logic of claiming the 49ers are the best team because they are the first to win 5 is so silly. What about the Steelers, who were the first to 4? Perhaps the Packers should be considered the best since they were the first to 1? The first to reach a benchmark makes for interesting trivia, but really carries no persuasive value.

Conclusion: It's silly to focus on the Super Bowl to decide who is the best team ever, since professional football has been around a lot longer than 1967. But even if we play along, the Super Bowl does not show that the 49ers are the best ever, it shows the Cowboys are.

"The 49ers were the team of the 1980's:"
49ers
in the 1980's: Super Bowls won: 4 Record: 104-47 Win%: .689
While this the foundation of why some people call the 49ers the "best team ever," let's look at other teams in other decades...

Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970's: Super Bowls won: 4 Record:
99-44 Win%: .692 Green Bay Packers in the 1960's: NFL Championships/Super
Bowls won: 5 Record: 96-37 Win %: .722
Conclusion: Dominating a decade does not make a team the "best ever" since it is illogical to block out arbitrary chunks in time to draw conclusions from. Also, it has been done to death, and we would have multiple "best teams ever." Even if we were to attach significance to performance within a decade, the 49ers again come in behind the Packers and Steelers, since in those teams won more championships and/or had a better winning percentage during their respective decade of dominance.

"The 49ers are the winningest team in the 'modern era:'"

The 49ers have been to the playoffs for many years in a row:"
While this sounds impressive, does it mean the 49ers are the best team ever? Again, let's put the present 49er success into context:

NFL PLAYOFF APPEARANCES BY SEASONS

1. Cleveland 27
2. Giants 24
3. Dallas 25
4. Rams 22
5. Chicago 21
t. Minnesota 21
t. 49ers 21


Conclusion: while the 49ers have been successful for what seems to be forever, they still have several years to go before they can spout off about how much they get to the playoffs.
 
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Tuaroa said:
Reason #1 why Owens is overrated:
70% of Owens' receptions are caught within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage
Owens caught 93 passes, 65 of which were caught within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage (70%). Think about that -- 7 out of every 10 balls he caught was within 10 yards downfield. Pathetic. J.J. Stokes was slightly better, catching "only" 67% within 10 yards downfield. Tai Streets, the Niners' supposed "deep threat", caught 79% under 10 yards downfield. Is there any wonder why we refer to the 49ers as being a cheesy 2-yard pass offense?
Have you ever heard of the west coast offense? Do you even watch football? You in so many words just explained why Terrell Owens is not over-rated. If the guy can catch the ball within 10 yards, and gain over 1400 yards, wouldnt you classify him as elite? I would.

Tuaroa said:
In relating this to the discussion of the level of Owens' talent, in case you don't get it, the shorter the pass, the less risk, and the easier it is to complete. So when you consider the talent of Owens as a wide receiver, you have to consider the length of his attempts because -- bottom line -- if he's catching a bunch of short passes, he's not really proving anything except that he's good at catching a lot of easy passes.

Owens, of course, is among the pack of receivers catching the most easy passes, so how do we differentiate between their talent level? Well, we found that according to Stats, Inc., the 49ers attempted 155 passes to Owens and completed 93 (60%). This is just about what you would expect from your typical NFL receiver who catches 70% of his passes within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage -- his actual deviation from his expected success rate is 1.8%.
Did you know that the majority of NFL teams are turning to the west coast offense? Why dont you check the other teams in the NFL, same results. Shit, your favorite team probably does the same.

Tuaroa said:
Reason #2: Owens drops more passes than almost every other receiver
Not only does Owens fail catch more passes than expected, but he also drops more balls than expected. 16.1% of Owens' incompletions were because he dropped the ball (again, drops according to Stats, Inc.). Of the 67 receivers we examined, only 12 had a worse drop rate. And he's supposed to be "elite"?
At a point in his career he was proned to dropped passes. I think he more then made up for it with his yards gained and TD's. Dropping so many passes was not so much the case this year, rather not getting him the ball enough.

Tuaroa said:
Reason #3 why Owens is overrated: 88% of his touchdowns were against teams with losing records
Of course, the Whiner fans and media are screaming by now that what makes Owens truly special is how dangerous and exciting he supposedly is with the ball. Well, given that all his "danger and excitement" didn't translate into leading the league in yards per catch, they then point to his NFL-leading 16 TD catches. While the 49er fans and media drool over Owens' gaudy TD total, again, the behind-the-scenes data clears the air on Owens' TDs:
Is it his fault the coach calls a play for Hearst to run in in the endzone and not pass him the ball. Owens is the best receiver in the game, he should be calling his own plays right? C'mon now. Why dont you go look at his yards gained in those games where he didnt score any touchdowns. How in the fuck do you think they got downfeild? Lastly, did you know out of his 13TD's this season, 7 of them were against teams over .500, is he elite now?

Tuaroa said:
Can you guess how many TDs Owens had in their one playoff game? Zero, of course, because Green Bay was a good team, silly. Fact is, most of Owens' TDs were the result of broken down, bad coverage, or bad tackling -- all courtesy of the bad teams that always seem to populate the Niners' schedule.
Fuck i must have been trippin when i saw Owens catch the game winning TD against GB. WHo was it, streets? And broken down coverage can account for the majority of receptions for big gains in the NFL. Thats what they try to do.

Tuaroa said:
Just in case this, on its own merits, doesn't convince the Whiner fans, let's compare Owens' TD breakdown to the second leading TD scorer, Marvin Harrison:

TDs against teams under .500 (4 games): 4
TDs against teams .500 or better (12 games): 11

And how do Rod Smith's 11 TDs break down?

TDs against teams under .500 (8 games): 5
TDs against teams .500 or better (8 games): 6

Terrell Owens 2002-2003.

TDs against teams under .500 (7 games): 6
TDs against teams .500 or better (7 games): 7
There, I added Owens stats for this year, is he elite now cause he falls in that class?

Tuaroa said:
We could go on, but the point should be exceedingly clear. Not everyone pads their stats against crappy teams. Some receivers, notably the #2 and #3 ranked behind Owens on the TD list last year, performed just as well or even stepped it up against the better teams.
This post just goes to show the amount of hate a star player from a very popular team can get. Although im pretty sure you didnt write anything that you posted, I did you a favor and replied to it as if you had. Even through all that research, whoever did it, can be all smashed by one GURU on a message board. Next time come with some hard shit.
 
Apr 25, 2002
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As for why people like the 49ers, we live in California. There are 2 teams in the NFL in Cali. If you got everyones favorite team on this board, I bet you over 90% of them would be either Oakland or San Fran. GO to Texas, you wont find as many 49er fans. Maybe they started liking them cause they were a winning franchise, but is that so wrong? Why they started liking them is irrelevant, its weather they still like them, and if they stick by them when there not doing good. Most everyone on here does. Who the fuck chooses a football team out of state with a losing record, unless there Uncle plays for them. Most of us started watching our favorite teams when we were kids, so its not like we have a favorite college player that went to a team. I think alot of us were influenced by people around us like our family, and what teams they liked.
 
May 4, 2002
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It's good that you spent so much time writing this hater thread. That is what fuels the 49ers and their fans.

Hate on hater.
 
May 19, 2002
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Real Talk tuaroa!! Damn nitro does it again! So now there are only 2 teams in Cali huh?? Haha, and not all people that live in cali like the fuckin whiners and haiderz!! Get yo shit str8!! How many times I gotta tell u this!! Fuck those teams!! But again good shit and real talk tuaroa!! GOT EM!!
 
Apr 25, 2002
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KINGCZAR said:
Real Talk tuaroa!! Damn nitro does it again! So now there are only 2 teams in Cali huh??
Forgot about the Chargers.

KINGCZAR said:
Haha, and not all people that live in cali like the fuckin whiners and haiderz!! Get yo shit str8!!
Im sorry, where did i say that? Get YOUR shit straight. The reason why he encounters so many Niner fans is cause this is California, and its a cali team. The majority of football fans in Cali like Cali teams dog, what the fuck are you talking about man. Your losing credibility by the second with that foolish talk. You have dont absolutely nothing but hate on me. What is the point in your post? I forgot about the Chargers, what does it matter anyway, i dont know ANY charger fans. DAMN your hate runs high.
 
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Tuaroa said:

Can you guess how many TDs Owens had in their one playoff game? Zero, of course, because Green Bay was a good team, silly. Fact is, most of Owens' TDs were the result of broken down, bad coverage, or bad tackling -- all courtesy of the bad teams that always seem to populate the Niners' schedule.

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I guess you didn't know that TO has played in more than one playoff game.:dead:
 
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Re: Re: about the 49ers

Nitro GH said:

You in so many words just explained why Terrell Owens is not over-rated. If the guy can catch the ball within 10 yards, and gain over 1400 yards, wouldnt you classify him as elite? I would.
Exactly. Have you watched the man play? He'll catch a 10-15 yard pass and break through Corners, Linemen, that fool will break through a least a couple tackels before being taken down. You can't even compare TO to another, he's got so much strength and endurance, a true athlete
 
May 19, 2002
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Haha u said he catches 10-15 yard pass and break tackles off a linemen!! haha, damn I didnt know a linemen be down field that far, usually they be rushin the passer!!! Haha, now thats more like a comment from u not a cut & paste article!! Haha!! GOT EM!!!!