A War On Science
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It helps if you put a breif description of the video. Personally I don't like to click links without knowing what I'm clicking.
"There is a war going on against science and reason. The pseudoscience of "Intelligent Design" is attacking the Darwinian Theory of Evolution, and trying to inject God into science."
Looks like it's done by BBC. I'll bookmark it and watch it later.
Further, there is a sticky thread in this forum specifically for video links, although if the person attempts to create discussion around the video or topic then a separate thread is ok
"There is a war going on against science and reason. The pseudoscience of "Intelligent Design" is attacking the Darwinian Theory of Evolution, and trying to inject God into science."
Looks like it's done by BBC. I'll bookmark it and watch it later.
Further, there is a sticky thread in this forum specifically for video links, although if the person attempts to create discussion around the video or topic then a separate thread is ok
Why does Intelligent Design have to be bullshit? Imo evolution has a lot more holes in it than ID.. Explain irreducible complexity, entropy, and the application of new information among species'.. Also Cosmic and chemical evolution has even more holes, like who created the big bang, and where did Uranium come from? Atoms can't fuse past Iron.. Until evolution cleans up its act it shouldn't be considered empirical science and/or genuine fact...
seems like somebody didn't watch the video...
irreducible complexity has been explained very well every time ID proponents have tried to use it to "prove" something
entropy - look up at the sky, there's something shining there
addition of information - have you ever heard of gene duplication and subsequent divergence?
if you haven't - here's a quick link to educate yourself (this is only the kinome, there numerous other examples)
http://www.cellsignal.com/reference/kinase/kinome.jsp
who created the big bang - who created God...
which leads to the point where all ID theories, claiming to "explain everything" fall apart - the simple question "Who created the intelligent being, responsible for designing things?"
irreducible complexity has been explained very well every time ID proponents have tried to use it to "prove" something
entropy - look up at the sky, there's something shining there
addition of information - have you ever heard of gene duplication and subsequent divergence?
if you haven't - here's a quick link to educate yourself (this is only the kinome, there numerous other examples)
http://www.cellsignal.com/reference/kinase/kinome.jsp
who created the big bang - who created God...
which leads to the point where all ID theories, claiming to "explain everything" fall apart - the simple question "Who created the intelligent being, responsible for designing things?"
seems like somebody didn't watch the video...
irreducible complexity has been explained very well every time ID proponents have tried to use it to "prove" something
I haven't even watched the video yet, I'm just familiar with the arguments, and I haven't read any extensive arguments debunking it. The most prominent is that ID theorists are just too ignorant to understand biological functions.. You can "reduce" anything if you try hard enough and use enough academic jargon, even God's role in creation..
entropy - look up at the sky, there's something shining there
What are you talking about? The Sun is running out of fuel, it won't be there forever, plus it's 3 trillion/zillion times bigger than us, disorder takes longer. My point is, how can we "evolve" while we deteriorate? What process causes us to keep going and improving? Mutations don't explain that, you lose information from mutation, and if we started from a single cell, how did we get here?
addition of information - have you ever heard of gene duplication and subsequent divergence?
if you haven't - here's a quick link to educate yourself (this is only the kinome, there numerous other examples)
http://www.cellsignal.com/reference/kinase/kinome.jsp
Of course, but what I mean is this.. How is it that we keep getting better results from duplication? Logic will tell you that the duplicate will be automatically inferior to the prototype.. Copy a piece of paper, then copy the copy, then copy that copy and keep doing that 1,000 times and the end result will be a piece of paper with blurred out letters, with only a few legible ones.
who created the big bang - who created God...
which leads to the point where all ID theories, claiming to "explain everything" fall apart - the simple question "Who created the intelligent being, responsible for designing things?"
You can't answer a question with a question. That's like characters inside of a computer trying to figure out where his creator (humans) came from.. He's not a part of time and space.. Even the Big Bang theory states that time didn't exist before the Big Bang, so that question is irrelevant. He simply always existed, that may be hard to believe for you, but easier for me to believe that than believing that the Big Bang came from nothing.
irreducible complexity has been explained very well every time ID proponents have tried to use it to "prove" something
I haven't even watched the video yet, I'm just familiar with the arguments, and I haven't read any extensive arguments debunking it. The most prominent is that ID theorists are just too ignorant to understand biological functions.. You can "reduce" anything if you try hard enough and use enough academic jargon, even God's role in creation..
entropy - look up at the sky, there's something shining there
What are you talking about? The Sun is running out of fuel, it won't be there forever, plus it's 3 trillion/zillion times bigger than us, disorder takes longer. My point is, how can we "evolve" while we deteriorate? What process causes us to keep going and improving? Mutations don't explain that, you lose information from mutation, and if we started from a single cell, how did we get here?
addition of information - have you ever heard of gene duplication and subsequent divergence?
if you haven't - here's a quick link to educate yourself (this is only the kinome, there numerous other examples)
http://www.cellsignal.com/reference/kinase/kinome.jsp
Of course, but what I mean is this.. How is it that we keep getting better results from duplication? Logic will tell you that the duplicate will be automatically inferior to the prototype.. Copy a piece of paper, then copy the copy, then copy that copy and keep doing that 1,000 times and the end result will be a piece of paper with blurred out letters, with only a few legible ones.
who created the big bang - who created God...
which leads to the point where all ID theories, claiming to "explain everything" fall apart - the simple question "Who created the intelligent being, responsible for designing things?"
You can't answer a question with a question. That's like characters inside of a computer trying to figure out where his creator (humans) came from.. He's not a part of time and space.. Even the Big Bang theory states that time didn't exist before the Big Bang, so that question is irrelevant. He simply always existed, that may be hard to believe for you, but easier for me to believe that than believing that the Big Bang came from nothing.
if you can't understand the language of science, that's your problem, but please, do not use your own ignorance to "prove" your claims
thermodinamic arguments have been often cited, claiming that life is impossible because the natural tendency is things to go from a more organized to a less organized state,
everybody who uses this argument forgets that we have a huge energy source - the Sun
two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
I don't answer a qustion with a question - I just show that every creationistic or ID theory that claims to explain more than science can, doesn't really explain anything because we'll be always left with the question "Who created the creator"
thermodinamic arguments have been often cited, claiming that life is impossible because the natural tendency is things to go from a more organized to a less organized state,
everybody who uses this argument forgets that we have a huge energy source - the Sun
two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
I don't answer a qustion with a question - I just show that every creationistic or ID theory that claims to explain more than science can, doesn't really explain anything because we'll be always left with the question "Who created the creator"
if you can't understand the language of science, that's your problem, but please, do not use your own ignorance to "prove" your claims
Ignorance of what? Evolution isn't science, and I understand almost everything that they say, this is why a lot of it makes no sense. Yet people like you criticize theists on the basis of faith, when 99% of evolution isn't observable, and you base your preconceived notions on Darwinism..
thermodinamic arguments have been often cited, claiming that life is impossible because the natural tendency is things to go from a more organized to a less organized state,
everybody who uses this argument forgets that we have a huge energy source - the Sun
The only thing on this planet that uses the Sun as energy is chlorophyll in plants, I didn't know that mammals, reptiles, insects, and aquatic life could actually benefit from photosynthesis. Weak argument that evolutionists try and use, nice try, but you have failed.
two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
Obviously you skimmed through that post or you simply didn't read it. What does natural selection have to do with "evolving"?.. Natural Selection is one of those illusive titles that doesn't really mean anything, who's doing the selecting? What's telling those cells to mutate now in order to adapt when everything is supposed to be random? You're trying to explain it but I doubt that you understand it yourself, hence the vagueness of your answer.
I don't answer a qustion with a question - I just show that every creationistic or ID theory that claims to explain more than science can, doesn't really explain anything because we'll be always left with the question "Who created the creator"
I just told you, why would a creator need a creator when nothing was before it? If you agree that the Big Bang created time and space, then anything that transcends the singularity at the beginning of time, would not be under the constraints of time. Also, with out action, there can be no reaction, so what was the first action? Something acted upon the Big Bang because if time didn't exist, then the singularity would be suspended in animation forever.
The major flaw in science is the rejection of a God, or not even that. The rejection that extra-dimensional forces can have an impact in this world, which leads them to preconceived assumptions that exclude God therefore limiting the amount of information that they have to work with. This is why science will continually be flawed, because of the close mindedness.. The crazy thing about it, ID theories don't nessacarily believe in a personal God, they simply site evidence for intelligent design in nature..
Ignorance of what? Evolution isn't science, and I understand almost everything that they say, this is why a lot of it makes no sense. Yet people like you criticize theists on the basis of faith, when 99% of evolution isn't observable, and you base your preconceived notions on Darwinism..
thermodinamic arguments have been often cited, claiming that life is impossible because the natural tendency is things to go from a more organized to a less organized state,
everybody who uses this argument forgets that we have a huge energy source - the Sun
The only thing on this planet that uses the Sun as energy is chlorophyll in plants, I didn't know that mammals, reptiles, insects, and aquatic life could actually benefit from photosynthesis. Weak argument that evolutionists try and use, nice try, but you have failed.
two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
Obviously you skimmed through that post or you simply didn't read it. What does natural selection have to do with "evolving"?.. Natural Selection is one of those illusive titles that doesn't really mean anything, who's doing the selecting? What's telling those cells to mutate now in order to adapt when everything is supposed to be random? You're trying to explain it but I doubt that you understand it yourself, hence the vagueness of your answer.
I don't answer a qustion with a question - I just show that every creationistic or ID theory that claims to explain more than science can, doesn't really explain anything because we'll be always left with the question "Who created the creator"
I just told you, why would a creator need a creator when nothing was before it? If you agree that the Big Bang created time and space, then anything that transcends the singularity at the beginning of time, would not be under the constraints of time. Also, with out action, there can be no reaction, so what was the first action? Something acted upon the Big Bang because if time didn't exist, then the singularity would be suspended in animation forever.
The major flaw in science is the rejection of a God, or not even that. The rejection that extra-dimensional forces can have an impact in this world, which leads them to preconceived assumptions that exclude God therefore limiting the amount of information that they have to work with. This is why science will continually be flawed, because of the close mindedness.. The crazy thing about it, ID theories don't nessacarily believe in a personal God, they simply site evidence for intelligent design in nature..
yeah, evolution isn't a science, here you're right, it's a scientific theory, as strong as a scientific theory gets
evolution is observable even in a test tube - there are hundreds of experiments done that prove it
if that's not enough, we have the fossil record, where we can directly observe evolution and it is as confirmed as the fact that I'm sitting in front of my computer, trying to educate people
that's right, cholrophyl (and some other molecules, but let's not get into too much biochemical detail) trap sun energy
to say we don't benefit from photosynthesis is outright ignorance and stupidity - please tell me what did you have for dinner today? I'm ready to bet most of the energy in your meal came directly or indirectly from photosynthesis
[/quote]two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
Obviously you skimmed through that post or you simply didn't read it. What does natural selection have to do with "evolving"?.. Natural Selection is one of those illusive titles that doesn't really mean anything, who's doing the selecting? What's telling those cells to mutate now in order to adapt when everything is supposed to be random? You're trying to explain it but I doubt that you understand it yourself, hence the vagueness in your answer.[/quote]
please, shut the fuck up, you're a complete idiot
nothing tells the cells to mutate, there is a built-in error-rate in replication which can be enahnced by various environmental factors (which is the reason why we get cancer)
natural selection is a term describing how organisms who acquire mutation that are harmful, do not survive - there are a lot of examples in humans of genetic diseases cause by single amino acid change which greatly illustrate the principle
ID=God, just stated differently; if you can't understand it, I can't help you
also, if you can't understand why science rejects God, I can't help you either
there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that confirms God's existence, not only that - there is nothing that can make the rational person even think there is a God out there
people used to beilieve in Zeus, in Posseidon, nobody believes in them anymore and all of these deities are considered mythology today
why do we keep believing in Jewish myths then?
evolution is observable even in a test tube - there are hundreds of experiments done that prove it
if that's not enough, we have the fossil record, where we can directly observe evolution and it is as confirmed as the fact that I'm sitting in front of my computer, trying to educate people
that's right, cholrophyl (and some other molecules, but let's not get into too much biochemical detail) trap sun energy
to say we don't benefit from photosynthesis is outright ignorance and stupidity - please tell me what did you have for dinner today? I'm ready to bet most of the energy in your meal came directly or indirectly from photosynthesis
[/quote]two words: natural selection, read your biology textbook before you type nonsence (oh, I forgot, you might be from Kansas)
Obviously you skimmed through that post or you simply didn't read it. What does natural selection have to do with "evolving"?.. Natural Selection is one of those illusive titles that doesn't really mean anything, who's doing the selecting? What's telling those cells to mutate now in order to adapt when everything is supposed to be random? You're trying to explain it but I doubt that you understand it yourself, hence the vagueness in your answer.[/quote]
please, shut the fuck up, you're a complete idiot
nothing tells the cells to mutate, there is a built-in error-rate in replication which can be enahnced by various environmental factors (which is the reason why we get cancer)
natural selection is a term describing how organisms who acquire mutation that are harmful, do not survive - there are a lot of examples in humans of genetic diseases cause by single amino acid change which greatly illustrate the principle
ID=God, just stated differently; if you can't understand it, I can't help you
also, if you can't understand why science rejects God, I can't help you either
there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that confirms God's existence, not only that - there is nothing that can make the rational person even think there is a God out there
people used to beilieve in Zeus, in Posseidon, nobody believes in them anymore and all of these deities are considered mythology today
why do we keep believing in Jewish myths then?
yeah, evolution isn't a science, here you're right, it's a scientific theory, as strong as a scientific theory gets
evolution is observable even in a test tube - there are hundreds of experiments done that prove it
if that's not enough, we have the fossil record, where we can directly observe evolution and it is as confirmed as the fact that I'm sitting in front of my computer, trying to educate people
You don't need to educate anyone with that type of nonsense.. I surely wouldn't allow you to educate my kids, if I had any. Besides that fact though at least we're on the same page now, you understand that it is a "theory"; t.h.e.o.r.y. Just like the steady state theory, which was a highly excepted theory until we detected cosmic background radiation and alas, the Big Bang. And Fossils don't prove anything bro, come on now, you better stick with genetics because that's just too elementary. They find a few bones in the dirt and claim that this supports Darwinism? Have you ever seen a skeleton give birth? They find certain skeletons that look alike and conclude that we all came from rocks (inorganic material)? Man please, that is a guess (not even a theory)! Stay with genetics, that's what scientists seem to depend on more anyways. And not even to say variation doesn't take place, I'm just trying to explain to you that it couldn't be "natural"..
that's right, cholrophyl (and some other molecules, but let's not get into too much biochemical detail) trap sun energy
to say we don't benefit from photosynthesis is outright ignorance and stupidity - please tell me what did you have for dinner today? I'm ready to bet most of the energy in your meal came directly or indirectly from photosynthesis
Wow, are you serious? You're nit picking and supporting ID at the same time and you don't see it.. We do not benefit directly from photosynthesis as in we are not plants and us humans do not convert light into energy. But the fact that we do benefit indirectly from it shows God's design and its interrelationships.. We breath Oxygen, exhale carbon Dioxide, plants vice versa; an intricate and harmonious relationship.
please, shut the fuck up, you're a complete idiot
nothing tells the cells to mutate, there is a built-in error-rate in replication which can be enahnced by various environmental factors (which is the reason why we get cancer)
natural selection is a term describing how organisms who acquire mutation that are harmful, do not survive - there are a lot of examples in humans of genetic diseases cause by single amino acid change which greatly illustrate the principle
Calling me an idiot doesn't make you any smarter and telling me to shut up doesn't suppress the truth. And again, you're too simple minded to even understand when you're supporting ID or debunking it. The terminology that you use is quite strange for an atheist. Our cells have a "built-in" "error-rate"? Besides, that's just a sign of entropy and disorder in a more closed environment. And what does Cancer have to do with adaptation bro? You're lost now. Cancer is just another sign of entropy, uncontrollable division of cells. And your definition of natural selection is incorrect.. Again, "natural selection" doesn't mean anything, but the theory behind it is that the ones with the beneficial mutations survive, instead of the other way around as you're saying. I'm aware of variation and mutation, but we're still losing information, you're not proving evolution, you're citing mutation and variance.
ID=God, just stated differently; if you can't understand it, I can't help you
also, if you can't understand why science rejects God, I can't help you either
there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that confirms God's existence, not only that - there is nothing that can make the rational person even think there is a God out there
people used to beilieve in Zeus, in Posseidon, nobody believes in them anymore and all of these deities are considered mythology today
why do we keep believing in Jewish myths then?
ID = Intelligent designer... Call him/her God if you'd like, just telling you that it can be anybody, just not nature. There is absolutely no evidence for evolution, yet tons of people believe in that too, point? And Zeus has nothing to do with this, but if he's the ID, guess the Greeks were right, but all that I know is that it was not natural, It came from another source. If we left all of our inventions behind for a future civilization, like watches, computers, robots, furniture, etc.. I bet they'd look at all of that shit and ask how'd it get there? The most creative mind will come up with an idea like, maybe they all come from the same source. They all evolved from an arrow head, since this is the earliest thing that we could find (even though this was one of the first human inventions).. We see that a chair looks like a couch, so they have a recent common ancestor, and so do Microwaves and Ovens, we'll just call them species'.. Even though it never dawned on them that probably everything resembles each other because they come from a common creator with the same raw material. Just open your mind little dude, you are obviously brainwashed..
evolution is observable even in a test tube - there are hundreds of experiments done that prove it
if that's not enough, we have the fossil record, where we can directly observe evolution and it is as confirmed as the fact that I'm sitting in front of my computer, trying to educate people
You don't need to educate anyone with that type of nonsense.. I surely wouldn't allow you to educate my kids, if I had any. Besides that fact though at least we're on the same page now, you understand that it is a "theory"; t.h.e.o.r.y. Just like the steady state theory, which was a highly excepted theory until we detected cosmic background radiation and alas, the Big Bang. And Fossils don't prove anything bro, come on now, you better stick with genetics because that's just too elementary. They find a few bones in the dirt and claim that this supports Darwinism? Have you ever seen a skeleton give birth? They find certain skeletons that look alike and conclude that we all came from rocks (inorganic material)? Man please, that is a guess (not even a theory)! Stay with genetics, that's what scientists seem to depend on more anyways. And not even to say variation doesn't take place, I'm just trying to explain to you that it couldn't be "natural"..
that's right, cholrophyl (and some other molecules, but let's not get into too much biochemical detail) trap sun energy
to say we don't benefit from photosynthesis is outright ignorance and stupidity - please tell me what did you have for dinner today? I'm ready to bet most of the energy in your meal came directly or indirectly from photosynthesis
Wow, are you serious? You're nit picking and supporting ID at the same time and you don't see it.. We do not benefit directly from photosynthesis as in we are not plants and us humans do not convert light into energy. But the fact that we do benefit indirectly from it shows God's design and its interrelationships.. We breath Oxygen, exhale carbon Dioxide, plants vice versa; an intricate and harmonious relationship.
please, shut the fuck up, you're a complete idiot
nothing tells the cells to mutate, there is a built-in error-rate in replication which can be enahnced by various environmental factors (which is the reason why we get cancer)
natural selection is a term describing how organisms who acquire mutation that are harmful, do not survive - there are a lot of examples in humans of genetic diseases cause by single amino acid change which greatly illustrate the principle
Calling me an idiot doesn't make you any smarter and telling me to shut up doesn't suppress the truth. And again, you're too simple minded to even understand when you're supporting ID or debunking it. The terminology that you use is quite strange for an atheist. Our cells have a "built-in" "error-rate"? Besides, that's just a sign of entropy and disorder in a more closed environment. And what does Cancer have to do with adaptation bro? You're lost now. Cancer is just another sign of entropy, uncontrollable division of cells. And your definition of natural selection is incorrect.. Again, "natural selection" doesn't mean anything, but the theory behind it is that the ones with the beneficial mutations survive, instead of the other way around as you're saying. I'm aware of variation and mutation, but we're still losing information, you're not proving evolution, you're citing mutation and variance.
ID=God, just stated differently; if you can't understand it, I can't help you
also, if you can't understand why science rejects God, I can't help you either
there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that confirms God's existence, not only that - there is nothing that can make the rational person even think there is a God out there
people used to beilieve in Zeus, in Posseidon, nobody believes in them anymore and all of these deities are considered mythology today
why do we keep believing in Jewish myths then?
ID = Intelligent designer... Call him/her God if you'd like, just telling you that it can be anybody, just not nature. There is absolutely no evidence for evolution, yet tons of people believe in that too, point? And Zeus has nothing to do with this, but if he's the ID, guess the Greeks were right, but all that I know is that it was not natural, It came from another source. If we left all of our inventions behind for a future civilization, like watches, computers, robots, furniture, etc.. I bet they'd look at all of that shit and ask how'd it get there? The most creative mind will come up with an idea like, maybe they all come from the same source. They all evolved from an arrow head, since this is the earliest thing that we could find (even though this was one of the first human inventions).. We see that a chair looks like a couch, so they have a recent common ancestor, and so do Microwaves and Ovens, we'll just call them species'.. Even though it never dawned on them that probably everything resembles each other because they come from a common creator with the same raw material. Just open your mind little dude, you are obviously brainwashed..
I am basically an agnostic, and I really do not understand the pitched battle people are waging over ID.
Science progressed even while witches were being burned at the stake, galileo was tried and the crusades were ongoing. One time of the greatest scientific discovery, in fact, was in the Muslim world during what we call the "Dark" or "Middle" ages.
Only recently (In the past 100 years or so) has science and scientists become synonymous with atheism. I don't give a fuck if you think humans came from purple monkeys with cue balls for eyes and the world was generated by a futuristic Nokia cell phone during a 3 way call, it does not affect the ability of scientists to do their job.
Never has, never will. Political pressure can make things more difficult. Unpopular causes can be in fact, more difficult to research or go forward with, but science has been marching on since the dawn of time. Society's belief in evolution or creationism, theism or atheism will not and does not in any way, shape, or form affect its ability to conduct scientific work.
Science progressed even while witches were being burned at the stake, galileo was tried and the crusades were ongoing. One time of the greatest scientific discovery, in fact, was in the Muslim world during what we call the "Dark" or "Middle" ages.
Only recently (In the past 100 years or so) has science and scientists become synonymous with atheism. I don't give a fuck if you think humans came from purple monkeys with cue balls for eyes and the world was generated by a futuristic Nokia cell phone during a 3 way call, it does not affect the ability of scientists to do their job.
Never has, never will. Political pressure can make things more difficult. Unpopular causes can be in fact, more difficult to research or go forward with, but science has been marching on since the dawn of time. Society's belief in evolution or creationism, theism or atheism will not and does not in any way, shape, or form affect its ability to conduct scientific work.
^^^^Haha, ya'll fools is lazy...
Actually it does affect science greatly.. Because if God in fact does exist, science has been using the wrong methods for studying our universe. As you just said, only recently has science become synonymous with atheism, which is not a very good idea. You shouldn't reject that possibility, and obviously one can't test/study the designer, but he/she's detectable simply by process of elimination. In ID there has to be a designer because of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And they also expand the definition of science now to exclude God, and include some man made, scientific process when in the beginning, science simply meant to know, or love of knowledge. But I must say that I indeed do respect an agnostic a lot more than an atheist, they're less confused. Agnostics recognize their limits to what they know, but Atheists swear to God that there is no God with out evidence to the contrary. Atheism is a faith, and closed minds never get fed..
Actually it does affect science greatly.. Because if God in fact does exist, science has been using the wrong methods for studying our universe. As you just said, only recently has science become synonymous with atheism, which is not a very good idea. You shouldn't reject that possibility, and obviously one can't test/study the designer, but he/she's detectable simply by process of elimination. In ID there has to be a designer because of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. And they also expand the definition of science now to exclude God, and include some man made, scientific process when in the beginning, science simply meant to know, or love of knowledge. But I must say that I indeed do respect an agnostic a lot more than an atheist, they're less confused. Agnostics recognize their limits to what they know, but Atheists swear to God that there is no God with out evidence to the contrary. Atheism is a faith, and closed minds never get fed..
evolution is just a theory
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html
I suggest that you learn what theory means before you reveal what an idiot you are by typing nonsence
fossil record doesn't satisfy you?
try again?
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC201.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_intermediates
type ONLY AFTER YOU CAREFULLY READ what specialists with years of experience in the corresponding fields have written on these pages
what was your GPA? 1.5?
What's your IQ? Below 70?
I'm ready to bet on both
Before you type nonsense, think about who you talkin with and how much he knows about the topic
so far you have revealed yourself as totally ignorant moron, who doesn't understand even the simplest and most fundamental concepts of biology, yet he claims science lies
YOU KNOW it wasn't natural?
based on what?
How can you reject millions of scientific articles full of evidence supporting evolution?
All these people are lying I guess?
The percentage of religious biologists is below 10, it's 60 for mathematicians? Guess why? Because mathematicians don't deal with these problems and what they do does not conflict religion? The percentage of religious lay people is 92%. Even lower than that of mathematicians. Why? Because lay people are so stupid that they don't even know the little things mathematicians know about nature?
I will not waste my time to argue with you any more, it is completely useless, I wish all people like you could just disappear from the face of the Earth, the world would be a much better place without all that ignorance
You're an atheist so let's leave it off on this note, because I can only argue about truth for so long.. Einstein believed in an Intelligent Designer and was in respect, an Intelligent Design theorist.. We can think of Einstein as a pioneer for ID..
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Chuch!
Obviously you're not an "Einstein", so what you say will not persuade me and my informed opinion.
"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
Chuch!
Obviously you're not an "Einstein", so what you say will not persuade me and my informed opinion.
Einstein used the word God to describe what we call "the laws of nature"
there is nothing supernatural about this "God" and it is an antirely metaphoric use of the word, unfortunately extensively misused by creationists to "support" their claims, in the great tradition of quote mining, starting with Darwin's book
there is nothing supernatural about this "God" and it is an antirely metaphoric use of the word, unfortunately extensively misused by creationists to "support" their claims, in the great tradition of quote mining, starting with Darwin's book
Obviously you're not an Einstein either because those Einstein quotes are more atheistic than religious.
LMAO@Einstein the pioneer for ID!!!
I'm sure Einstein supported the idea that planets, solar systems, black holes, etc. were magically placed in space by God and did not go through the natural process of evolution.
LMAO@Einstein the pioneer for ID!!!
I'm sure Einstein supported the idea that planets, solar systems, black holes, etc. were magically placed in space by God and did not go through the natural process of evolution.
