a spin on the typical religious debate. "A One" and "The One"

[XianeX]

i've just had i nice discussion about god being "The One" or "A One" and i thought it would be a good aside from the usual pointless religious debates.

my premise is this. I find myself more inclined to believing that We are god. we not meaning humans but all that exist are god. this is the reason i am a very self confident individual that is not afraid of death (but am in no hurry to experience it).

i think that we as humans are fortunate (unfortunate in other instances) to have as many social features as we do. when i look at another person i try to find me within them the kindred soul that we all share.

i see life as unimportant in the grand scheme of things but very important in our incarnation in life. i look at everything from a polar perspective and as such i am very much at peace within myself in most facets.

my point is this. why is it made important for us to see god as being external or internal instead of being permeating and pervasive? i think that if people would see them self as being the god they serve they would be more truthful most of all to themselves and would not have the symptoms of depression, anxiousness, doubt, low confidence, etcetra.

heres a perfect example of my philos: when i debate with someone. i never get angry. most of the time i laugh my way through it even at the most poigniant of times where it would seem that i should. i look at everyone as an exetnsion of myself. i look at those who i dont know or those that dislike me as people who have not recognized themselves in me. and i look at those i dislike or dont know likewise.

i have no emotion toward life or death because i dont find either to be a beginning or an end. just a transition in the flow of everlasting existance.

not that it may be wrong for others but i disapprove of christic doctrines for myself because most of them detract away from the type of liberties im speaking about. for example look at all those that tend to be zealot-like christians on the board. you can sense the biterness and confrontation emminating from the words that they type. they never seem at peace. they always seem to be in a constant quest for perfection never realizing that they are perfection in their own way, and the standards of mankind are futile.

excuse my rant and rave but i felt it was something that someone needed to say. the other "old/; arguments are boring me severely.

marination

 

[Vyasadeva]

Ay, excellent post. Aside from a few differences we pretty much see eye to eye. You have definitely got your third eye open.

You are right, cats would see alot more if they looked at God as being all-pervading, because He truly is. Therefore He is BOTH internal and external. He is all that is outside us, and He is all that is within us, and yet we STILL have our own individual existence within Him. His mystic ability is mind-boggling. Our souls are just infinitesimal sparks of the Supreme Soul, like infinite sparks emanating from a fire. Unlike sparks of a fire, however, our individual souls remain eternally connected to, yet distinct from Him.

A drop of ocean water has the exact same molecular composition as the whole ocean. Yet the drop of water IS NOT the ocean. Similarly, being parts and parcels of the Lord, we are qualitatively one with Him, yet we are quantitatively different. He is the ocean and we are the drops. And yet the entire ocean itself is but a drop. He is simultaneously "The" One and "A" One.

The only problem with everyone thinking that "they" are God (and actually they are, we are all infinitesimal Gods because our souls have their source in the Supersoul), is that unless one recognizes the external feature of the Lord, then there is no transcendental standard from which absolute morality can be drawn. In such a scenario where the Supreme Lord and His standards is not acknowledged, Bin Laden can justify his senseless slaughter and a rapist can rationalize his behavior because there is no recognition of the existence of an objective moral median.

As far as your critique of the Christic doctrines, I agree. The difference between the Christic faiths and those of eastern origin, is that the Christian variety promote "salvation", and back up this doctrine by elements of fear, such as "hell", "spiritual death", not being "saved", while the eastern philosophies actually explain the SCIENCE of God, Self, and the universe. Such transcendental knowledge is not as easily abused as "Christianity", although it can be.

Most people think that the infinite stars and planets are just floating around randomly in space with no purpose and nothing controlling them. They do not know that the law of nature is so subtle that every part of our body all the way down to the atoms is influenced by the stars in the topmost system of the universe. Most people also do not know that this universe is just one out of an infinite number of universes, nor the means by which they come into existence and are annihilated. There is a science to all this, it is not chaotic or random. If material nature was simply complete randomness as a result of a big bang, then the very thoughts in each of our heads would be nothing more than a random occurence and would be completely beyond our ability to control.

But this is gettin off into other subjects. I'ma bounce with a quote from the Bhagavatam which relates to the subject of "A" One vs. "The" One.

1st Canto, Ch. 8, Text 18:

"O Krsna, I offer my obeisances unto You because You are the original personality and are unnafected by the qualities of the material world. You are existing both within and without everything, yet you are invisible to all."

SOAK::GAME like the cat that says oh coy!

 

[BaSICCally]

Yes, that is what Jesus was talking about in the Bible. When they were on the boat and Jesus was walking on water. Then Peter could't believe his eyes, then Jesus told Peter to walk on the water. Peter was walking on the water untill he started looking at the storm in the distance and was distracted. Ye of little faith.

That pretty much sums it up. Humans are capable of having God like characteristics or reaching perfectiong, yet fail to do so, thus human nature cause us to be distracted by other things but foremost our five senses.

 

[Blight]

XianeX, you should look into Taoism or some other Eastern religions. Specially Taoism.

And when you laugh in an arguement, doesnt it make the others go on the defensive?

 

[XianeX]

DAMN @ vy. you deep'n'a'muhfuka!!! if the others could see it like that. we differ on very few concepts but i think the differences are just in the way we communicate our perspectives. the more i read what you say i find that i dont disagree with it. we're just speaking about the subject from different angles. i enjoy the alternative perspectives. i think the siccness will benefit from the way you think.

@blight - ive studied many eastern philosophies from buddhism to tantra. i do not however have a book on taoism but what ive read of it in the encyclopedia it is interesting to me.

in regards to laughing in an argument. i think it puts people more on the offensive. because the more i laugh the more they attacc. take a look at the arguments ive had on the siccness. i can provoke, refute, and ignore without being emotionally charged except for my enjoyment of the battle. my laughter and ridicule does not dissuade most from their offensive. usually it makes them more encouraged to kill my laughter.