74% of GOP Congress Members Reject Climate Science

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/insiderspoll.php

http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2008/06/more_than_70_of_gop_congressio.php

The National Journal has released its annual survey of Congressional members on their views of climate science. When asked: "Do you think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made pollution?," of the 38 Democratic members of Congress interviewed, 98 percent answered "yes."

But among the 39 Republican members of Congress surveyed, just 26% percent answered in the affirmative. Among the reasons from Republican members on why they continue to doubt the science, the National Journal quotes the following:

"Reasonable people have doubts. For every Al Gore, there is an intelligent scientist armed with legitimate facts to debunk him."

"In the '70s, the 'consensus of scientists' was that we were beginning global cooling. Now it is global warming. Excuse me if I am skeptical of this newest form of secular religion. Perhaps we should pause and take a breath before we drink the new Kool-Aid!"

"What has been proven is that a well-targeted pop-culture campaign can trump even the best of science. The bad news is, a very few will get very rich, and the rest of us will foot the bill with mythical creations like cap and trade. The impact of such programs on the environment: Zero. The cost to the American public: Huge. The grin on Al Gore's very wealthy face: Priceless!"

"It's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy."
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Do you believe it is really fair to extrapolate that 74% of Republican congress people reject climate science when only 39 were surveyed? Or in the same vein that 98% of Dems believe in it when only 38 were surveyed?
 
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Do you believe it is really fair to extrapolate that 74% of Republican congress people reject climate science when only 39 were surveyed? Or in the same vein that 98% of Dems believe in it when only 38 were surveyed?
Good point, but thats a pretty large difference in opinion, even if it only is 39 on each side. Bascially, only ONE democrat didnt believe climate change was real, and 28 republicans thought it wasnt real, IN contrast, that ratio would stand that for every i deomcrat who thinks its fake, 28 rebups share the same ideology. Thats pretty steep.

get off that hippie shit.. its a myth
It has zero to do with "hippies" and everything to do with science. The person who posted this is an MIT student. I dare you to debate this with him. It would be hilarious to say the least.
 
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Do you believe it is really fair to extrapolate that 74% of Republican congress people reject climate science when only 39 were surveyed? Or in the same vein that 98% of Dems believe in it when only 38 were surveyed?

Even if the margin of error were 25% (which is incredibly high) the republicans could still only achieve a 50% (49%) acceptance of climate science.
 
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It has zero to do with "hippies" and everything to do with science. The person who posted this is an MIT student. I dare you to debate this with him. It would be hilarious to say the least.

The other issue that often gets down played unfortunately is that, even if hypothetically speaking we find out that man-made pollution is in fact NOT contributing to global climate change, it does nothing to change the fact that most of the aspects of the pollution that we theorize are causing climate change are still detrimental to the environment and our health.

In other words, whether or not man-made pollution is contributing to global climate change, doesn't change the fact that man made pollution is still negative and we need to do something to curtail it.

Suppose we did find out that burning fossil fuels has no impact on climate change. Does that change the fact that we are running out of fossil fuel to power our economies, that the process of attaining fossil fuels is bad for the environment, the process of storing/shipping is bad for the environment, and the gasses released are bad for our health; amongst many other negative things???

SMH
 
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yo.. until russia and china and india starts giving a fuck about this green energy heal the world bullshit.....let it go.
So you believe the United States should abandon it's historical position in the world and start following the lead of Russia, China, and India?

And you fashion yourself as some kind of patriot. Pssshh.
 
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So you believe the United States should abandon it's historical position in the world and start following the lead of Russia, China, and India?

And you fashion yourself as some kind of patriot. Pssshh.
What has the US done while being the world leader that's so great?
 
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So you believe the United States should abandon it's historical position in the world and start following the lead of Russia, China, and India?

And you fashion yourself as some kind of patriot. Pssshh.
why waste time on a non issue when no one else in the world gives a fuck.
do you really care about your kids grand kids? i mean seriously....
 
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^yes, its not as much about man as it is about the changes in the sun and the earth, such as highest solar flares, or the earths wobble stopping then changing patterns n shit.

and the whole man made global warming move is more conservative than liberal in my opinion.
 
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some of you are fuckin weirdos. what does the rising global temperature (uncharacteristic and exponentially disproportionate to recorded natural fluctuations) and its correlation to the rising amounts of man made pollution have to do with being liberal or conservative? It is what it is. Read the damn data. the numbers don't lie. If the numbers aren't telling us that global warming is real, then you tell me what the numbers are telling us.
 
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some of you are fuckin weirdos. what does the rising global temperature (uncharacteristic and exponentially disproportionate to recorded natural fluctuations) and its correlation to the rising amounts of man made pollution have to do with being liberal or conservative? It is what it is. Read the damn data. the numbers don't lie. If the numbers aren't telling us that global warming is real, then you tell me what the numbers are telling us.
Get this man a cookie!

Soem of you people just want to ignore scientific facts. Why would liberals make that up? There is no reason to LIE about it. Matter of fact, some would say that covering it UP would be better. How else do you exploit man better than using harmful, cheap ways to power the world?

Use your fuckin brains, please.
 
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peak oil, exponential growth in oil consumption in developing countries, "communist", oh my, china fueling its economy past the US using our own growth model, allowing them to dominate the region as economic power allows. there is tremendous incentive to spin the story this way. the US built itself off of fossil fuel and domination of these resources, presidents over the last 60 years have declared protecting these interests to be our paramount goal as a nation. and then once china is nipping at our heals, demanding oil, driving up prices, and trending towards crippling our economy, it becomes "uhhh nope, shouldnt be doing that there chang chong chinaman, or you neither you filthy dotted ingines, oil is evil because somehow you became successful, but when gas was a dollar and nobody knew your economies threatened ours we were buying hummers, closing refineries, and referred to conservationists strictly as faggots". ooooh, but now we can create entire bullshit industries , ETHANOL from corn that uses as much energy to make as it produces, or hydrogen which is the same, to try to stimulate our dying economy and keep people working. in practical terms we can retrofit every house with solar panels, and rain trapping technology, have everyone work to buy and replace their car with a new and improved model, if they are a real american that is, that should help us limp along until the next global war.

lmfao at "there is no reason to lie" or "the numbers dont lie". even if im just being sarcastic, a retarded child could identify at least a few reasons and few ways to make the numbers say what they want. but lets get back to it.

im being honest here, and if this is such an easy topic than surely someone can clue me in. first of all what are the numbers even attempting to prove? i see people get all worked up with their power point slides, and charts, and links they found on al gores website, but first off what are the numbers proving? yes burning something, all else being equal, will increase temp. can someone for once just put this into concrete words, what is the definition of man made global warming, or wait is it climate change now, but wasnt it global cooling before by the "scientists" (i guess scientist is synonymous with clergy 1000 years ago)? Secondly, how do we account for it? third, where are these facts? do these "facts" actually prove anything? ( i saw a graph that shows the inverse relationship between global temps and the number of pirates). fourth, so what. fifth, economic incentives dont really work against the most dominant economy (china soon, and evidenced by our domination while we firmly had it) so what are you going to do, is this worth going to global war over? i mean its supposedly the BIGGEST threat to the planet ever, so i guess global war is absolutely justified right?

i look forward to a response, most people look at the surface and buy a bumper sticker, but if you follow the path and the rhetoric, the implications are fascinating to me.