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Honestly its like that for a lot of entertainment people... views , shares, likes...all potential $$$ one way or another....my homegirl got tired of the grind in LA working in the studio writing and producing for majors. i dont like to talk music with her much but the one thing i asked her was" what truly can separate you from the others nowadays in music..just to get her insider perspective ... she said one of the first things the these music executives would say when they brought up an new artist in a meeting was..." how many likes / views does their single have on youtube".....
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Walkin and Walkin
I've stated this before & I will state it again, "Likes," "Views." "Followers," etc. are meaningless when it comes to the music biz.
I know a guy who was signed to a major and had over a million views on his youtube videos, etc. The guy was all over television and when his album dropped he merely sold three hundred thousand & was thrown off the label like yesterdays trash.
At the end of it all, if your drive is simply to be an attention whore for free, then this is for you.
We can all agree / disagree, but in the real music industry, if your not selling music you're a waste of space & an over confidant loser who simply thinks he's doing it big.
I know a guy who was signed to a major and had over a million views on his youtube videos, etc. The guy was all over television and when his album dropped he merely sold three hundred thousand & was thrown off the label like yesterdays trash.
At the end of it all, if your drive is simply to be an attention whore for free, then this is for you.
We can all agree / disagree, but in the real music industry, if your not selling music you're a waste of space & an over confidant loser who simply thinks he's doing it big.
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Yeah but now a lot of rappers make money from views also. Advertising ads, youtube commericals. Everytime someome plays them on online radio stations that pay them. A lot of people just stream music now.
But in this internet age you can make money without ever selling a single CD, which was impossible in the 90s.
But in this internet age you can make money without ever selling a single CD, which was impossible in the 90s.
My take on it is, is that social media is for MARKETING. Yes, the more "likes" or followers is a bigger percentage fans to MARKET TO and in return a percentage of that, if you use it how you're supposed to to develop and speak to your fanbase, then it could translate into sales. Its just a piece of a puzzle. Social Media, street promotion, touring, advertising, banner ads. Don't skip one for the other.
Views and likes would seem to bring in more fans at shows. More fans at shows is perfect for independent artists is it not?
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yo I don't care who dudes are affiliated with on this message board
I dont care what u remake etc..
Even my niggaz bruh not
n***** need to stop the bs n***** just because they're from this area
No that shit lyrical is trash i don't care who's your friend who you could do for is still wack.
Niggaz need to up the stands
Note white guys n***** think you guys are corny from the Bay Area out of state
Step it up all of us Dj Fresh salut with the sample shit yeah I said it ROLLIN HAAA
I dont care what u remake etc..
Even my niggaz bruh not
n***** need to stop the bs n***** just because they're from this area
No that shit lyrical is trash i don't care who's your friend who you could do for is still wack.
Niggaz need to up the stands
Note white guys n***** think you guys are corny from the Bay Area out of state
Step it up all of us Dj Fresh salut with the sample shit yeah I said it ROLLIN HAAA
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@tweeze
-U SHOULD JUST BE SPECIFIC AND CALL OUT NAMES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE SICCNESS....:classic:
ON FB I GET A LOT OF LIKES BUT I DONT NECESSARILY THINK ITS GOING 2 MAKE ME MONEY,IT JUST MEANS THE POPULARITY FACTOR IS THERE AND IF AN ARTIST IS INTO PERSONALLY CONNECTING WITH HIS FANS ITS A GOOD GATEWAY 2 CREATING A BETTER FANBASE. I DO BELIEVE VIEWS HELP ARTISTS WITH POPULARITY AND IT CAN HELP WITH BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES BUT I ALSO GET OFFERS EVERYDAY 2 BUY 5000 VIEWS PER VIDEO 4 ABOUT $25 WHICH MAKES IT HARD 4 ME 2 BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY'S VIEWCOUNT IS LEGITIMATE. IF I WAS A MAJOR LABEL AND I HAD A MARKETING BUDGET 4 AN ARTIST IT WOULD MAKE SENSE 2 SPEND 20K ON SOME VIEWS 2 MAKE IT LOOK LIKE YOUR ARTIST IS POPPIN BUT ITS ALSO A BLACC EYE IN THE GAME IF IT BECOMES THE THING 2 DO AND EVERYBODY STARTS DOIN IT. THX 4 THE INPUT YALL. ITS ALWAYS GOOD 2 HAVE SOMEWHAT CONSCIOUS DISCUSSIONS HERE CUZ I LIKE 2 SEE THINGS MORE THAN ONE WAY SOMETIMES AND IT HELPS ME GROW SOME CUZ MOST OF THE PPL IM AROUND THINK THE SAME WAY AS ME.
I actually heard Chris Brown vaguely mention that in an interview, but again, it doesn't do much for the independent artist. Yeah, an independent might make a little here & there, but the true outlets won't be made for those on a low independent budget.
At least not at this point anyway. Let's hope I'm wrong in the future though.
And I don't mean to come off as a pessimist. I'm basing it on facts that I saw for myself.
The major music biz is simple mathematics. If your a major success and sell / sold lots records, you are respected and treated well as long as your generating them money. Anything lower than the majors / label's expectations your trash to them.
In the end, it's gone back to the basics. If somebody in today's independent music biz makes enough noise and shakes the game like Master P did back in the 90's, your working with something, but like Master P himself has said, "There is no reason for anybody to sign any deals with any majors when you can do it all yourself with today's technology."
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Those YouTube views mean different things to different people. For some people they're worthless, for some people each one is worth a fraction of a cent. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it adds up.
I've met people that are YouTube partners that post a video or two a week and are making enough to live on, more than they were making at a full time 9-5 job (not doctors or engineers, but regular middle class work that pays the bills.) A few of them have gone on to make $100K+ a year. A lot of them are doing product reviews so they get everything they're reviewing from companies for free and then reselling it, not a bad hustle. I doubt that any YouTube channel will last forever, but music can be just as fleeting.
YouTube celebrities can get 1M+ views per video... I've heard that's worth about $4,000 per video if they're YouTube partners & their subscribers watch their videos regularly... and that's in the form of a monthly paycheck, not just a surge of money when an album drops and fades over the next year or two until the next album is ready.
Anybody with a computer can pirate software to make beats and videos for free now so nobody has to invest anything but their time. There's very little risk with the possibility of a very high reward... If it doesn't work out, oh well, no money lost, but if it catches on they might get a Kreayshawn deal or start making Lil B money... He has over 100M views on YouTube & is doing shows, and I don't think he's released a physical album that you can find in a store in over five years.
As far as Facebook Likes go, I don't know that they provide any money directly, however, every time someone Likes one of your videos it's back at the top of everybody's feed again, giving anyone that missed it the first time another chance to watch it.
I've met people that are YouTube partners that post a video or two a week and are making enough to live on, more than they were making at a full time 9-5 job (not doctors or engineers, but regular middle class work that pays the bills.) A few of them have gone on to make $100K+ a year. A lot of them are doing product reviews so they get everything they're reviewing from companies for free and then reselling it, not a bad hustle. I doubt that any YouTube channel will last forever, but music can be just as fleeting.
YouTube celebrities can get 1M+ views per video... I've heard that's worth about $4,000 per video if they're YouTube partners & their subscribers watch their videos regularly... and that's in the form of a monthly paycheck, not just a surge of money when an album drops and fades over the next year or two until the next album is ready.
Anybody with a computer can pirate software to make beats and videos for free now so nobody has to invest anything but their time. There's very little risk with the possibility of a very high reward... If it doesn't work out, oh well, no money lost, but if it catches on they might get a Kreayshawn deal or start making Lil B money... He has over 100M views on YouTube & is doing shows, and I don't think he's released a physical album that you can find in a store in over five years.
As far as Facebook Likes go, I don't know that they provide any money directly, however, every time someone Likes one of your videos it's back at the top of everybody's feed again, giving anyone that missed it the first time another chance to watch it.
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I believe everyone is right. If you got the Views and Likes legit, then make it work for you. If you have great music, it will echo through the streets and online, hits always do weather the Indi artist was able to capitalize on the hype or not. Majors are The System so they always capitalize and any hit mediocre or mega.
Fuck fame, try this shit:
Young Bossi - My Heart (Official Video) - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtGVNWWJtI
Street shit is where its at.
Young Bossi - My Heart (Official Video) - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljtGVNWWJtI
Street shit is where its at.
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ITS FUNNY BECAUSE THE SONGS WHERE ME AND HOMIES ARE SPITTIN FLAMMABLES SHOULD BE GETTING A GOOD AMOUNT OF VIEWS....MY VIDEO FOR "AT THA DOOR" HAS 50,000 VIEWS....BUT MAN....WE NEED TO GET A GOOD 6 FIGURE NUMBER OF VIEWS ON THESE SLAPS THOUGH. ALOT OF WORK WENT INTO THESE AND I BELIEVE THEY REALLY DESERVE THE ATTENTION. SHOTS OUT TO FURY FIGEROA, HOLLOW TIP AND DAFUGADAHEER.
THE REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE
I MADE AN OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD CLOWNIN FREESTYLE SINGING SONG....TRYING TO SOUND AS FUNNY AND REDICULOUS AS I COULD WITH THE T-PAIN APP ABOUT THAT "BRINGING THE AMBERLAMPS" SITUATION IN OAKLAND AND MADE A SLIDESHOW VIDEO. THAT VIDEO HAS 450,000 VIEWS LOL. WHY I DO NOT KNOW....BUT PEOPLE LIKE STUPID SHIT AND LIKE TO LAUGH I GUESS. LOLOLOLOL THIS SONG IS FUCKIN REDICULOUS....I HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THIS SHIT IN A AWHILE....I KNOW MY SINGING WITH THAT APP IS HELLA FUNNY THOUGH.
I BELIEVE IF YOU MAKE GREAT MUSIC....IT WILL EVENTUALLY GET ITS SHINE....AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT VIEWS....
THE REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE
I MADE AN OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD CLOWNIN FREESTYLE SINGING SONG....TRYING TO SOUND AS FUNNY AND REDICULOUS AS I COULD WITH THE T-PAIN APP ABOUT THAT "BRINGING THE AMBERLAMPS" SITUATION IN OAKLAND AND MADE A SLIDESHOW VIDEO. THAT VIDEO HAS 450,000 VIEWS LOL. WHY I DO NOT KNOW....BUT PEOPLE LIKE STUPID SHIT AND LIKE TO LAUGH I GUESS. LOLOLOLOL THIS SONG IS FUCKIN REDICULOUS....I HAVE NOT LISTENED TO THIS SHIT IN A AWHILE....I KNOW MY SINGING WITH THAT APP IS HELLA FUNNY THOUGH.
I BELIEVE IF YOU MAKE GREAT MUSIC....IT WILL EVENTUALLY GET ITS SHINE....AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT VIEWS....
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Views only matter to the artist so they can tell if people are checking out their music. Fake views to "impress" fans dont mean shit, really only the artist who made the music knows if views are legit or paid for.
Shit that makes me shake my head is the clowns who post artists music and beg for subscribers and views. If you aint making the videos doing music, reviews, or original content post the video, turn off ads, shut the fuck up and let people check out your uploads.
Shit that makes me shake my head is the clowns who post artists music and beg for subscribers and views. If you aint making the videos doing music, reviews, or original content post the video, turn off ads, shut the fuck up and let people check out your uploads.
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