10 Books That Screwed Up the World: And 5 Others That Didn't Help

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10 Books That Screwed Up the World: And 5 Others That Didn't Help


Dude that wrote this book was on the radio this morning I didn't have a chance to listen much or call in because I had to be at work. Thought I'd move the discussion here.

What are your reactions to his list?

I don't know what order these all go in nor what makes the top 10 and the other 5
  • Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince -- the owner’s manual to a long list of tyrannies (Stalin had it on his nightstand), whose blasphemous approach to Christianity has also made it the engine on the long train of modern atheism
  • Rene Descartes, Discourse on Method -- which "proved" God’s existence for the feeble of faith only by making it depend on our thinking Him into existence, thus making religion a creation of our own ego
  • Thomas Hobbes, The Leviathan -- according to which there is no good and evil, only pleasure and pain, leading to the belief that we have a right to whatever we want, and it is the government’s job to protect such rights
  • Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on the Origin and Foundations of Inequality Among Men -- a hymn to the "natural man" containing the seeds of the French Revolution and totalitarianism, Marx and Nietzsche, Freud and Darwin, modern anthropology and Margaret Mead, the sexual revolution and the dissolution of the family
  • Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto -- which, on body count alone, could win the award for the most malicious book ever written, such that even the tenured Marxists are a bit squeamish about touting it as the road-map to Heaven on Earth
  • John Stuart Mill, Utilitarianism -- which held that morality is merely a matter of calculating the greatest possible happiness for the greatest possible number, leading only to a society addicted to ever more intense, barbaric, and self-destructive pleasures
  • Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man -- proof positive that Darwin intended his theory of evolution through "survival of the fittest" to be applied to human society, so that that "unfit" people(s) would be weeded out
  • Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil -- which completed the modern rejection of God that began with Machiavelli, and issued the call to a world ruled only by the "will to power" that Hitler answered
  • Lenin, The State and Revolution -- the blueprint for the murderously oppressive Soviet-style government which became the pattern for, and patron of, the other equally barbarous communist governments of Eastern Europe, North Korea, Vietnam, China, Cambodia, and Cuba
  • Margaret Sanger, The Pivot of Civilization -- a kind of "Eugenicist Manifesto" by the foundress of Planned Parenthood, who believed that too many "misfits" were breeding, hence the "need" for birth control
  • Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf -- a practical culmination of modern atheism invested with quasi-religious fervor, an expression of "spiritualized Darwinism" identifying Jews as the greatest problem facing genetic progress -- proving that Hitler’s genocidal anti-Semitism was a malevolent effect of the unholy spirit of the age
  • Sigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion -- a fundamental attack on religion, dismissing it as mere wish-fulfillment by infantile minds; yet itself a "projection" of Freud’s desire to discredit religion by the most salacious conjectures he could conjure
  • Margaret Mead, Coming of Age in Samoa -- a little book that contained a big lie that all too many wanted to hear -- that women could have fun too in Rousseau’s pansexual paradise (which turned out to be a creation of Mead’s own sexual confusions and aspirations)
  • Alfred Kinsey, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male -- in which every manner of sexual deviance is decked out charts-and-graphs style to seem perfectly normal, but was simply Kinsey himself writ large
  • Betty Friedan, The Feminine Mystique -- once again, autobiography masquerading as science, in which Friedan’s attacks on the roles of "wife" and "mother" were defined by her own personality and personal conflicts
 
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Honestly...if this is true I'm going to hell. I never agree with everything I read...but some of those books are my favorites. Utilitarianism, Leviathan, the Prince, Freud, Decartes, Nieztche, and Darwin are all books that I've read and really enjoyed. Especially John Stuart Mill. I also read the Communist Manifesto and can go either way on it.

These books may have some evil in them. But they also have a lot of good. Any man who writes a book called "10 Books That Screwed Up the World" and doesn't include the Bible, the Koraan, or any other religious work...isn't worth my time.
 
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Stealth said:
and doesn't include the Bible
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That, Wealth of Nations, and Two Treatises of Government would have made my list.

Some of his choices are obvious (if one were to attempt taking such a project seriously, i.e. The Prince), but most reflect his right wing orientation(darwin, Kinsey, all feminist writings, etc) and are just a sounding board for pushing his ideals.

But in general I don't agree with putting this kind of stigma on any kind of book. How many more steps until we just start burning them all in big piles again?
 
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That lists sucks, so many things wrong.

I'd place the Bible #1, Koran #2.

And lol @ Mein Kampf being modern atheism. If he'd actually read the book, he'd know that it's filled with religious bullshit. The origins of Hitlers antisemitism comes directly from his Catholicism, in particular Martin Luther who hated the jews and in his book "On the Jews and their lies" served to be the standard for Jewish hatred for Catholic Germans in Germany up until WWII.

Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man is NOT proof that Darwin "intended his theory of evolution through "survival of the fittest" to be applied to human society," another misconception, or flat out lie, of evolution.

And before I waste anymore time, all you need to know about the author, Benjamin Wiker, is that he is the Senior Fellow of the St. Paul Center for Biblical Theology. lol. He has written numerous books/essays/whatever attempting to link Hitler to Darwin/evolution theory, evil to atheism, etc. In other words he's a certified douchebag.
 
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Discourse on Method - is fucking lame. Not to mention I totally disagree with this guy's[the author that wrote this 10 books book] analysis. I found it[discourses] to be an endorsement of God & Religion. I think if it were as he claimed I probably would have enjoyed it . . . though it probably would have had a hard time being published, distributed, or having the kind of impact on history that it did. I’d put it on my list just cuz I hated it so much. He[Descartes] should have stuck to math.

Leviathan – is the basis for post feudal government and the state we know today. This guy having a bone to pick with Leviathan makes him pretty anti-american in my opinion. He probably should spend some time re-reading the Communist Manifesto and State and Revolution since they advocate for the abolition of the system Leviathan gave birth to. :confused:



But I'd still recomend reading them, at least once.
 
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Decartes is important to modern day psychology/medicine/neuroscience and the ending of the dark ages practicing of medicine. Cartesian dualism was one of the most important advancements of medicine in my opinion. Its been a few years since i studied it, but the jist of it is that the brain is separate from the soul. It allowed doctors to treat brain diseases without fear of being pagans or practicing witchcraft. Before that, all brain diseases were attributed to God. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure if this is the book that discussed cartesian dualism. Either way...props to Decartes. That theory really runs in line with a lot of the atheist/agnostic/pro-evolution/anti-creation ideals that most of this board believes in.


The jist of Leviathan is that all people are essentially equal. We are all equal because we are all able to kill one another. In a society where anybody can kill anybody else, order is needed. A "Leviathan" or a powerful figure is needed to strike fear into people so that they follow the rules of society. Without a leviathan, there will be anarchy.

I'm not sure if I agree with it, but it makes ya think.



Now that I said all this I need to wikipedia it to make sure I'm actually making sense..
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_on_the_Method said:
Applying the method to itself, Descartes challenges his own reasoning and reason itself. But Descartes believes three things are not susceptible to doubt and the three support each other to form a stable foundation for the method. He cannot doubt that something has to be there to do the doubting (I think, therefore I am). The method of doubt cannot doubt reason as it is based on reason itself. By reason there exists a God and God is the guarantor that reason is not misguided.

Perhaps the most strained part of the argument is the reasoned proof of the existence of God and indeed Descartes seems to realise this as he supplies three different 'proofs' including what is now referred to as the negotiable ontological proof of the existence of God (some argue that Descartes inserted his statement on the existence of God in the Discourse on Method to appease censors of the time; a very serious concern, as within Discourse Descartes points out that he was at first reluctant to publish the work because of the recent show trial of Galileo by the Roman Catholic Church in 1633, only four years earlier).
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... So I remembered this book correctly (read it 7 years ago). I now totally believe the author of this 10 books book is out of his mind and may not have even read the books that he claims screwed up the world.
 
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