yeah it was real, I watched it on TV myself when I was 13 or 14 years old and I actually thought it was on the Jenny Jones show and then I talked with Phonk Beta when he was a co-worker at a company 10 years after I watched it and he confirmed it was the Leeza show…..My mind was so blurry and time going slower back then I thought it was the Jenny Jones show, and I didn’t even think of recording it on a VCR because back then I had no clue Sac rap history would be talked about in the future.