Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin vs Canelo Álvarez 9/16 [WBA, WBC, IBF, lineal title]

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Sicc OG
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Canelo's been bulking up. Think it's the smart thing to do? Speed is one of the main advantages he has over Golovkin. Bulking up too much could sacrifice speed a bit not too mention stamina. But it seems like he's going for the JMM vs Pacquiao IV approach.




Fatass Golovkin (according to McGregor a few weeks back, why care about this fight when Golovkin is fat and you could pay $100 for his fight against Floyd?!)
 
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battle619

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2-0-Sixx said:
Canelo's been bulking up. Think it's the smart thing to do? Speed is one of the main advantages he has over Golovkin. Bulking up too much could sacrifice speed a bit not too mention stamina. But it seems like he's going for the JMM vs Pacquiao IV approach.




Fatass Golovkin (according to McGregor a few weeks back, why care about this fight when Golovkin is fat and you could pay $100 for his fight against Floyd?!)
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I think Canelo is just fine. He's definitely not gonna cut the ring with GGG so he's not gonna be able to throw combos unless he hurts GGG. Personally, I feel he's on some Manny Floyd shit where he is just fit and ready to go. when Cotto switched to Freddie I felt the same way, but he did just fine. they are just getting fitter
 
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bigface

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I got Canelo by late TKO if he goes to GGG's body early. I think it was either the 9th or the 10th round that Jacobs hit GGG with a hook to the body that really hurt him bad. GGG does not fight on the inside good at all and he does not cut off the ring as good as people want you to believe, Jacobs was able to turn him at will and never got trapped on the ropes. GGG is a mid range trap fighter that does his best work when he has you backed up in a corner. Canelo needs to stay off the ropes. If Canelo goes to the body early and takes no damage for the first 4 rounds, he can win the fight and stop GGG late.

My questions are can Canelo take GGG's power? Can Canelo deal with GGG's jab?

This is GGG's superfight finally at 35 yrs old, so he better knock Canelo out and not let it go to the judges.
 
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battle619

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I got Canelo by late TKO if he goes to GGG's body early. I think it was either the 9th or the 10th round that Jacobs hit GGG with a hook to the body that really hurt him bad. GGG does not fight on the inside good at all and he does not cut off the ring as good as people want you to believe, Jacobs was able to turn him at will and never got trapped on the ropes. GGG is a mid range trap fighter that does his best work when he has you backed up in a corner. Canelo needs to stay off the ropes. If Canelo goes to the body early and takes no damage for the first 4 rounds, he can win the fight and stop GGG late.

My questions are can Canelo take GGG's power? Can Canelo deal with GGG's jab?

This is GGG's superfight finally at 35 yrs old, so he better knock Canelo out and not let it go to the judges.
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GGG is actually very good at cutting the ring. And the fact that he's willing to take a hit to throw 2 or 3 of his own is what scares any of his opponents and their corner men. At first glance, I thought Jacobs won the fight, but I had to watch the reruns and GGG did do enough to win. If anything, Jacobs had the tools but didn't use them because he was scared of getting dropped again so I don't think he had full control of GGG.

With that being said, this is the best example of a 50/50 fight I've seen in my life time. where one punch can and will make the difference if the fight. This is not about having a punchers chance but the skill and power they both possess is insane.
 
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bigface

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I don't thing GGG can cut off the ring very good because when he actually fought a good fighter Jacobs he couldn't cut off the ring on him at all. Now GGG has a chance to show off his much talked about skillset against a elite boxer in Canelo. I heard all the hype about how great GGG is, he sure didn't show those great talked about skills sneaking a win by Jacobs. Other then that flash knockdown and his jab, GGG did not impress very much against Jacobs. GGG has a chance to live up to the hype by KOing Canelo.
 
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battle619

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You know Jacobs is much bigger than GGG, right? I wanted Jacobs to win! Jacobs did a great job and did win some rounds but at the end Jacobs should have come forward and he didn't. That was for Jacobs to do. GGG still landed a shit load of jabs which let me know that although Jacobs looked good on the outside, he didn't do enough to slow GGG down.
 
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bigface

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Jacobs is not much bigger then GGG stop it with that, they both made weight even if Jacobs don't do the IBF weighin the day of the fight. Without that 4th round flash knockdown GGG lost to Jacobs in my eyes. Saturday GGG can show and prove.
 
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bigface said:
I don't thing GGG can cut off the ring very good because when he actually fought a good fighter Jacobs he couldn't cut off the ring on him at all. Now GGG has a chance to show off his much talked about skillset against a elite boxer in Canelo. I heard all the hype about how great GGG is, he sure didn't show those great talked about skills sneaking a win by Jacobs. Other then that flash knockdown and his jab, GGG did not impress very much against Jacobs. GGG has a chance to live up to the hype by KOing Canelo.
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GGG is good at cutting off the ring, there's been a few fighters on record saying he's the best at cutting off the ring they've been in the ring with. Jacobs is long and tall, had a good size advantage and Gennady was head hunting too much for my liking, which helped Jacobs out. I don't think it was a lack of cutting off the ring that was a problem for Golovkin against Jacobs, it was Jacobs was effective at using his size/reach while moving which didn't allow Golovkin to set up his shots. Most all of the rounds Jacobs won was based on activity - rounds where he did more than Golovkin. In those rounds like I said he wasn't allowing Golovkin to get set to get off his shots and Jacobs was using his reach to throw/land some jabs and/or a one-two and ducking out. Wasn't enough to beat Golovkin of course but he was able to make it a very close fight by fighting that kind of fight.

That won't matter one bit against Canelo - obviously Canelo doesn't have the size/reach that Jacobs has and he doesn't fight that kind of style. Canelo isn't going to simply throw more punches than Golovkin and steal rounds. He's going to throw down at some point and he's going to try to hurt Golovkin. Jacobs is a good fighter, he was considered the #2 I'm the division for good reason. Hell, put Canelo in that fight against Jacobs that night and Canelo probably catches an L (with decent judges anyways). It's not really useful information using Jacobs as any kind of measuring tool other than confirming Jacobs is a skilled fighter.
 
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Jacobs is not much bigger then GGG stop it with that, they both made weight even if Jacobs don't do the IBF weighin the day of the fight. Without that 4th round flash knockdown GGG lost to Jacobs in my eyes. Saturday GGG can show and prove.
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That is significant enough to make the IBF change their rules as a result of what Jacobs pulled.

Golovkin had to weigh-in the day of the fight rehydrating no more than 10 pounds, which he was under. Jacobs strategically said he wasn't interested in fighting for the IBF and didn't restrict his weight, sources say he rehydrated a little more than 20 pounds by the time the fight started. So yes I'd say that's significant since it wasn't a level playing field (one fighter restricted rehydration while the other didn't).

Is that the reason Jacobs did good? Absolutely not. It's just one of many things. Bottom line is Jacobs is a good fighter, his strategy of fighting by being more active than Gennady and not allowing too many opportunities to get off was successful in several rounds. It wasn't a winning strategy though in my opinion, it was a strategy of trying to keep it close and steal rounds. A winning strategy against a champion like Golovkin would have been to turn it up in the championship rounds, if not sooner, and truly attempt to take the belts. Hurt the guy. Make a statement. Being defensively sound but not doing anything significant offensively is more of a survival/spoiler strategy, imo, especially since he had to of known the knockdown was a point he lost and had to of hurt him on the scorecards, especially in a close fight that knockdown could be the deciding factor. Knowing that, why was he so content in the championship rounds with not doing much offensively and being so defensive? Again, not the strategy/mindset of a guy truly trying to take the fight. I think Jacobs was happy to go the distance and hope/pray for a decision in a relatively close fight, which is different than a guy who knows the fight is close and could go either way and tried to finish it off in the championship rounds. And let's be honest, that "flash knock down" you mention was something that hurt Jacobs, he felt his power and was reluctant to feel it again, which I'm sure played a role in him not taking any chances in the final rounds in order to win the fight.


Anyways, Canelo is no Jacobs and that's part of the reason everyone loves this fight. These are two highly skilled fighters with real power. Canelo more of of the one punch KO power, Golovkin more of the heavy handed best you down over the course of a few rounds type of fighter. Both cannot resist trading blow for blow when things get heated. Both guys are going to get hurt. Someone is going down if not both of them. 50/50!
 
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Originally I thought it could take 6 rounds or so before they really start trading blow for blow and it turns into a war, but the more I think about it I think it's going to happen nearly immediately, what I'm saying is I think this could end up looking like Hagler vs fucking Hearns! I think it's clear Canelo bulked up purposely to go to war and is willing to sacrifice some speed for more power (think JMM vs Pac 4). That could backfire tremendously if Golovkin is prepared for it and gives back as much as he can take, but I think it's a smart plan by Canelo who is confident af if nothing else.

Like I said before I think Golovkin's plan is start off like he did against David Lemeuix - maintaining distance, being cautious of the opponents power while working the jab, with the game plan of wearing down the opponent with that jab over time and slowly increasing the heat round by round. Canelo, while conventional wisdom is to sit back, let Golovkin come to him and try to set up counter shots which Canelo is by nature a counter-puncher, I believe he will be the aggressor right off the bat. He's noticably bulked up quite a bit looking like a ginger Hulk which tells me he's not planning on using his speed and boxing ability to win this fight, rather he's going for all power, like JMM vs Pacquiao IV. I believe the plan is for Canelo to jump on Golovkin early and make it a physical fight quickly. By doing the this early, and taking away space that Golovkin likes to have to get off his shots, could completely throw Golovkin off his game plan and I believe that's exactly Canelo plan. On the other hand if Golovkin is prepared for that and/or planning on a "street fight" right off the bat as well, he's going to fuck Canelo up. Either way this is going to be a war and it may actually be a quick Hagler vs Hearns type of war (3-4 rounds), this fight is not going to the scorecards and may not even make it past the 6th!
 
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