Murder Rap: Inside the Biggie and Tupac Murders

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17 - 18 years later looking back at this is seriously sad. The mind frame of being immature and choosing sides over bullshit. Neither man deserved to die the way they did.

I can't express hate towards any of them for the fact of not knowing them personally. All the trash / hate / subliminal talk was done by both sides and fueld by the media. In the end, what do we expect anybody to do when attacked? Physical or verbal any person is going to defend themselves, but we're going to see it as wrong on one side based on the fact that we view them as opposers from the jump?

That's hatred at it finest. To be mentaly weaken and learn to hate somebody when they've done nothing to you.

R.I.P. 2Pac, Biggie and everybody who succumbed to this mess that has yet to be solved.
 

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Were you talking about Mark Curry who wrote the book Dancing With The Devil? I don't think he was an R&B singer though.
Nah but his book was sick. This singer cat came forth a couple of months back. There was a Tupac thread like 3-5 months ago on here and you know how shit is. You see some shit, Google it and YouTube takes you down the rabbit hole. All I remember is it was an RnB singer and he was telling everything he knew or was lying like a muthafucka.
 
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Nah but his book was sick. This singer cat came forth a couple of months back. There was a Tupac thread like 3-5 months ago on here and you know how shit is. You see some shit, Google it and YouTube takes you down the rabbit hole. All I remember is it was an RnB singer and he was telling everything he knew or was lying like a muthafucka.
Gotcha. If you find that please let me know. I followed these cases pretty closely since LAbyrinth came out, but I don't think I came across what you're talking about. I read Murder Rap when it came out and after that it was pretty much case closed IMO. The documentary laid it out even better.
 
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Snoop Dogg on the radio.. Befor 2pac died said the East Coast West Coast war don't concern him saying Puffy and Big is his friends... that's some real loyalty right he showed to Pac. when Pac had Snoop's back when the dogg pound video set got shot up in NY. I used have a radio interview with Snoop and Puffy on radio talking in codes how they can end the east coast west coast war. I bet they was in cahoots. But it was never really East vs West more Bad Boy vs Death Row. I wish I had that still.. There are a few different interviews snoop talks about it on youtube but I cant find old one I had.

Hope Suge tells someone leak 2pacs Hit Em Up 3 dissing snoop
 
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Snoop Dogg on the radio.. Befor 2pac died said the East Coast West Coast war don't concern him saying Puffy and Big is his friends... that's some real loyalty right he showed to Pac. when Pac had Snoop's back when the dogg pound video set got shot up in NY. I used have a radio interview with Snoop and Puffy on radio talking in codes how they can end the east coast west coast war. I bet they was in cahoots. But it was never really East vs West more Bad Boy vs Death Row. I wish I had that still.. There are a few different interviews snoop talks about it on youtube but I cant find old one I had.

Hope Suge tells someone leak 2pacs Hit Em Up 3 dissing snoop
Pretty sure Suge was bullshitting about that Hit Em Up version dissing Snoop. He might have wanted to record it, but I don't think he ever did. The fall out with Snoop happened a few days before 2Pac was shot. There was no version of Hit Em Up in the Death Row vault recorded around that time (unless it was mislabeled or it had a different title).
 

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Pretty sure Suge was bullshitting about that Hit Em Up version dissing Snoop. He might have wanted to record it, but I don't think he ever did. The fall out with Snoop happened a few days before 2Pac was shot. There was no version of Hit Em Up in the Death Row vault recorded around that time (unless it was mislabeled or it had a different title).
maybe daz stole it and got rid of it.
 
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maybe daz stole it and got rid of it.
Possibly, but the problem is that Suge is the only person to ever say anything about that song. Tons of interviews with engineers, producers, featured artists, etc. have come out over the years and none have made mention of a rerecording of Hit Em Up right before 2Pac died. Suge has also said 2Pac is alive in interviews, so I'm gonna need more than Suge's word to believe it exists.
 
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After the first shooting -- of "Heron" Palmer in June 1997 -- there was a lull in the violence. On April, 4, 2000, the bloodshed resumed.

"Poochie" Fouse, a Knight associate, and Fouse's friend William "Chin" Walker were sitting in a white Chevrolet van on North Matthisen Avenue, a dead-end street in Compton. Just after midnight, two men rushed up, opened fire and fled.

Walker, 37, who was in the driver's seat, died an hour later. Fouse, 40, was severely injured and confined to a wheelchair for three months. He refused to cooperate with police.

Three weeks later, the body of Vence "V" Buchanan, 35, an alleged drug dealer and Bloods gang member, was found near a Compton graveyard, with a gunshot wound to the back of the head.

Buchanan's killers, disguised as police officers, had abducted him in a dark Cadillac at Central and 135th avenues. The kidnappers cuffed his hands behind his back, then brutalized him and videotaped his execution, informants have told police. The killers dumped his body outside a cemetery at Greenleaf Boulevard and Central Avenue.

Buchanan had been friendly with the disgruntled Death Row bodyguard and the drug dealer allied against Knight. They suspected that Knight orchestrated the slaying to avenge the shooting of Fouse and Walker, informants have told police. The two men allegedly set out to retaliate.

One of their targets was Alton "Buntry" McDonald, Knight's best friend. McDonald and a buddy, David "Brim Dave" Dudley, were rumored to have played a videotape of Buchanan's execution for an audience of friends at McDonald's home in Compton.

On March 25, 2001, nearly a year after Buchanan's death, Dudley was shot and killed in front of McDonald's house.

Knight was behind bars as this drama of revenge unfolded. In 1997, a judge had sentenced him to nine years in prison for violating terms of his probation from his earlier assault case.

Knight said he had no role in Buchanan's murder and did nothing to provoke the attacks on his friends.

"This feud they say is going on has nothing to do with me. I was in prison when these episodes took place," he said.

McDonald's family said he was not involved in the Buchanan killing, either.

With credit for good behavior, Knight was released from prison in August 2001, after serving less than five years. His world had been shaken, but he felt secure in the presence of McDonald. They had known each other since childhood, and McDonald was now Knight's chief bodyguard.

Eight months later, "Buntry" was cut down.

Bodyguard No. 2

It happened at a crowded Shell station at Rosecrans and Atlantic avenues on April 3, 2002. McDonald, 37, pulled in about 2:30 p.m. to fill up his black GMC Denali. He had paid the station attendant and was about to start pumping his gas when two men walked up and drew pistols.

McDonald was shot four times in the chest. The assailants fled in a pickup truck driven by a man with a ponytail.

Police released sketches of two suspects based on witnesses' descriptions. No one has been arrested.

"We think the same suspects who killed Alton McDonald were involved in the murder of David Dudley at Alton's house a year before -- as well as the shooting of William Walker and Wardell Fouse a year before that," said Sheriff's homicide detective Beth Smith. "There are very unique identifiers that link these three cases together."

On Oct. 16, Henry "Hen Dog" Smith, another close friend of Knight's, was shot to death in the middle of the afternoon. Investigators say the connection to the earlier slayings is unclear.

Smith, 33, had been a fixture at Death Row for years and had designed the label's logo. He was sitting in a burgundy Jeep near a fried-chicken stand in South-Central L.A. while his girlfriend used a pay phone. A Death Row medallion hung from his neck. His girlfriend's baby was resting in the back seat when a young man leaned into the truck and fired six shots at Smith.

The attacker, fleeing on a bicycle, dropped his pistol. Witnesses said he stopped, bent over to pick up the gun and calmly resumed pedaling.

On July 24, unknown assailants again tried to kill Fouse, who had been wounded in a shooting three years earlier. This time, they succeeded.

Fouse was riding a motorcycle on Central Avenue in the early evening when a car rushed up behind him. Fouse was riddled with gunfire at Central and Stockwell Street.

LOL SUGE AND HIS PIRU INFIGHTING SCHEMES