Boxing schedule for May
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I'm not sure what channel you were watching, but yeah it was live. DeGale won by UD and in the middle of the Rodriguez Vs. Baker they cut over to NBC Sports Net.
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This is something I've been thinking about with the recent stretch of fights on PBC with some of the PBC fighters Vs. non PBC fighters.
Lee got a draw against Quillin in a fight that no one would've batted an eyelash had Quillin got the nod.
McDonnell got the nod against Kameda in a fight that no one would've batted an eyelash had Kameda got the nod.
DeGale got the nod against Dirrell - although not as close as the other two I think people could've justified DeGale giving away too many rounds if the cards had gone to Dirrell.
I'm not saying Haymon fighters don't get the benefits of dubious decisions at times but I think that's just inept judging more than judges being paid off. I think people can safely stop using that as a go to argument.
Lee got a draw against Quillin in a fight that no one would've batted an eyelash had Quillin got the nod.
McDonnell got the nod against Kameda in a fight that no one would've batted an eyelash had Kameda got the nod.
DeGale got the nod against Dirrell - although not as close as the other two I think people could've justified DeGale giving away too many rounds if the cards had gone to Dirrell.
I'm not saying Haymon fighters don't get the benefits of dubious decisions at times but I think that's just inept judging more than judges being paid off. I think people can safely stop using that as a go to argument.
Or maybe it's because now that he's trying to create a brand, PBC Boxing, he doesn't want corrupt judging and believes that would hurt the product, whereas before the creation of the PBC he only cared about the individual fighters he was representing. Now it's all about PBC as a whole.
It's pretty hard to ignore the amount of "robberies" that have happened with Haymon fighters over the years. My casual boxing fan friend whenever he saw the Watson twins in a fighters corner he'd say "this guy is going to win" and they always did if it went to the scorecards, no matter if they lost or not.
Whatever the reason it's good though, it's smart. Don't want to damage the reputation of PBC if it is to be successful.
It's pretty hard to ignore the amount of "robberies" that have happened with Haymon fighters over the years. My casual boxing fan friend whenever he saw the Watson twins in a fighters corner he'd say "this guy is going to win" and they always did if it went to the scorecards, no matter if they lost or not.
Whatever the reason it's good though, it's smart. Don't want to damage the reputation of PBC if it is to be successful.
That's why I used examples of close fights that no way would've complained either way. If you're in the business of paying off officials why wouldn't there be a back door deal if a round is a close, make sure it goes to my guy. It'd be so easy to fix any of the 3 fights in question to the benefit of the Haymon fighter.
And the brand as a whole doesn't do anything if his main fighters keep losing to fighters that aren't under his brand. It's not like the UFC where they can benefit no matter the winner. PBC specifically needs certain guys to win in certain fights.
I've seen plently poor decisions involving Haymon fighters previously just not that sure it was paid off judges. Did anyone compile a list of Haymon fighters winning clear robberies? I'm actually curious now.
And the brand as a whole doesn't do anything if his main fighters keep losing to fighters that aren't under his brand. It's not like the UFC where they can benefit no matter the winner. PBC specifically needs certain guys to win in certain fights.
I've seen plently poor decisions involving Haymon fighters previously just not that sure it was paid off judges. Did anyone compile a list of Haymon fighters winning clear robberies? I'm actually curious now.
Well no the game is changed now because he has nearly 200 fighters and counting. All these investors he has are buying into PBC as a whole, not specific fighters. He's trying to grow this into a UFC type business model (whether or not it will be successful is another matter). When he has his dream team of Al Michaels, Marv Albert, Bob Costas, etc calling fights, the entire purpose of that is to bring legitimacy to it. Having robberies and bad decisions would undermine the whole thing. For him, it's not about individual boxers anymore it's about the PBC brand. He wants legit boxing consistently on all major networks. One fighter loses and he has another 200 ready to step in.
I'd love to see a list too. Seemed pretty common knowledge though that Haymon guys would always get the decision. There were SO many of them, man, and it was so consistent. Paul Williams vs Lara. One presumably paid off judge scoring Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez 119-110 for Williams lol. And anytime a fight was close like Berto vs Collazo, you knew who would win. I remember being SHOCKED a couple years ago when a Haymon fighter lost a decision, like literally shocked the right guy won the right. That's how bad it had gotten.
That has all stopped for the most part though (Danny Garcia?!) and it's much better now. But for a few years it definitely wasn't just some poor officiating it was outright corruption. There isn't a way to explain that many robberies and close fights going his fighters way. Of course, Haymon certainly isn't the only man in boxing to sway judging, happens all the time. These boxing judges don't get paid a lot of money, it's been said it doesn't take much. Then once you go up the chain, sometimes it's a lot nastier then any of us want to know. For example the WBC would "randomly" select a couple judges who just so happened to be family friends of jose sulaiman for Don King fights, and of course Sulaiman and King were thick as thieves.
I'd love to see a list too. Seemed pretty common knowledge though that Haymon guys would always get the decision. There were SO many of them, man, and it was so consistent. Paul Williams vs Lara. One presumably paid off judge scoring Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez 119-110 for Williams lol. And anytime a fight was close like Berto vs Collazo, you knew who would win. I remember being SHOCKED a couple years ago when a Haymon fighter lost a decision, like literally shocked the right guy won the right. That's how bad it had gotten.
That has all stopped for the most part though (Danny Garcia?!) and it's much better now. But for a few years it definitely wasn't just some poor officiating it was outright corruption. There isn't a way to explain that many robberies and close fights going his fighters way. Of course, Haymon certainly isn't the only man in boxing to sway judging, happens all the time. These boxing judges don't get paid a lot of money, it's been said it doesn't take much. Then once you go up the chain, sometimes it's a lot nastier then any of us want to know. For example the WBC would "randomly" select a couple judges who just so happened to be family friends of jose sulaiman for Don King fights, and of course Sulaiman and King were thick as thieves.
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What really is going on is that a lot of these PBC fighters that are used to getting pampered are no longer getting that treatment they are used to getting. Haymon is telling them that they have to earn their money, yet is still making meaningless catchweight fights that confuse his fighters on what they should do in and out the ring. These guys come in and still don't make weight and expect the crowd and judges to favor them. Mix that in with the fact that more than half the boxing world isn't fucking with Haymon and the more active fighters that are non Haymon fighters are getting the nod. Haymon should have just made this PBC series into a Super Six tourney type shit for each weight division and allowed his fighters to saty with their promo companies then he wuld have really won the Cold War vs HBO
I know about the King/WBC corruption and that was actually documented and called out. I guess besides Malignaggi calling out a specific judge in his fight with Juan Diaz I'm surprised that no one's put together a list of judges and/or specific fights that were clear robberies, not close decisions, that went to Haymon fighters. All I'm saying is it'd be way too easy to swing those close fights the other way and it would clearly improve the brand to have Kameda & Quillin as undefeated champions and Dirrell as a champion.
I just don't agree with the brand nonsense. The brand is only as strong as it's best fighters. The brand means nothing if it's top fighters keep losing. Put a fight on NBC with 2 of the random fighters on his roster as headliners and co main events and then put Keith Thurman as the headliner and it won't get the same ratings just because it's PBC.
I just don't agree with the brand nonsense. The brand is only as strong as it's best fighters. The brand means nothing if it's top fighters keep losing. Put a fight on NBC with 2 of the random fighters on his roster as headliners and co main events and then put Keith Thurman as the headliner and it won't get the same ratings just because it's PBC.
Yeah but who exactly are these top fighters though? Quillin, Kameda and Dirrell? Not exactly big names here. It's not worth ruining the reputation of the PBC off names like that. Danny Garcia, one of the biggest names Haymon has, keeps getting dodgy decisions so maybe he still does influence judges when it comes to certain guys, idk.
All I know is for a few years there were WAY TOO MANY robberies and close decisions going his fighters way to merely be a coincidence. As for lists I actually have seen websites and threads that list all the horrible judges and their scorecards involved with Haymon fighters but I haven't had the time to research all that, maybe later today I'll dig it up. Boxing isn't big enough for people to really care though, that's why it goes unpunished. The only recent example I can think of where anyone was punished was the Paul Williams vs Lara ROBBERY where all three judges are still suspended.
Yes to an extent PBC is as only good as the names they have but when Haymon has 200 fighters and he has a long term plan for the sport, it doesn't matter if some of his guys catch an L here and there, he's looking at the big picture. For him its not worth jeopardizing the reputation of the PBC just so somewhat decent names get the decision.
All I know is for a few years there were WAY TOO MANY robberies and close decisions going his fighters way to merely be a coincidence. As for lists I actually have seen websites and threads that list all the horrible judges and their scorecards involved with Haymon fighters but I haven't had the time to research all that, maybe later today I'll dig it up. Boxing isn't big enough for people to really care though, that's why it goes unpunished. The only recent example I can think of where anyone was punished was the Paul Williams vs Lara ROBBERY where all three judges are still suspended.
Yes to an extent PBC is as only good as the names they have but when Haymon has 200 fighters and he has a long term plan for the sport, it doesn't matter if some of his guys catch an L here and there, he's looking at the big picture. For him its not worth jeopardizing the reputation of the PBC just so somewhat decent names get the decision.
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Spike card is on now, totally forgot the Khan fight is today and not Saturday.
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Pumped about this Vazquez/Fortuna fight. Way better than the original Malignaggi/O'Connor fight.
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Yeah I was looking forward to it too, not a bad fight so far, started off really good but kinda faded.
Pauline should retire. Shane Mosley and him been going back and forth on Twitter, Shane apparently challenging Paulie to a BKB fight, saying he wouldn't be able to run from him, Paulie saying Shane is old and past prime and he'd box circles around him. Kinda pathetic actually, they should fight though and the loser has to retire for good. And the winner has to retire for good.
Pauline should retire. Shane Mosley and him been going back and forth on Twitter, Shane apparently challenging Paulie to a BKB fight, saying he wouldn't be able to run from him, Paulie saying Shane is old and past prime and he'd box circles around him. Kinda pathetic actually, they should fight though and the loser has to retire for good. And the winner has to retire for good.
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Chris is out of his cage already! John David Jackson has made a huge difference!
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Man I'm loving how he came out. Dipped Khan for a second in the 1st and he's walking Khan down.
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