Boxing News Thread

[HERESY]

@naner12 , I have been very vocal about title fights, championships, mandatories, etc. I'm 100% against a champ moving up and getting an automatic title fight. In my book a champ in another division should face any of the top 3 fighters in the division that are in line for a shot. It should be the first one who is available. You win, you get your shot. You lose then you are out of the running. As for mandatories, they should be strictly enforced and no one should bend the rules or case niggas out t get shots or avoid them. And 206 is summing it up for me perfectly. Before the Cotto and Sergio fight he said this bullshit would happen and it is.

 

[naner12]

@naner12 , I have been very vocal about title fights, championships, mandatories, etc. I'm 100% against a champ moving up and getting an automatic title fight. In my book a champ in another division should face any of the top 3 fighters in the division that are in line for a shot. It should be the first one who is available. You win, you get your shot. You lose then you are out of the running. As for mandatories, they should be strictly enforced and no one should bend the rules or case niggas out t get shots or avoid them. And 206 is summing it up for me perfectly. Before the Cotto and Sergio fight he said this bullshit would happen and it is.

I've seen you say that before and I don't have an issue with that stance. It's unfortunately not the way it is though. The WBO actually has a rule in place where if one it's beltholders want to move up they can get an immediate crack at the WBO championship.

Taylor defended against Spinks & Ouma who in no way should have fought for the lineal title, Martinez defended against Dzinziruk who had never fought at MW.

With the rules in place the way they are I don't see an issue with the lineal 154lb champion fighting the lineal 160lb champion. We can argue Floyd's intentions after he'd win it and all that, but I don't think it matters that he's not a career 154lber he's the man in the division, that's not arguable.

Again I don't want to make it seem like I'm rallying against a Golovkin fight, I'd much rather see Cotto Vs. Golovkin over Cotto Vs. Mayweather II, but I'm sure not gonna act like I'm offended by it or anything like that.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Like I said I just want the rules to be enforced.

And yeah I disagree big time about Floyd beating Cotto again north a pound of what he already beat him at as being any type of achievement. If say, Bradley beat Cotto and won the 160 title and then rematched Pacquiao at 155 is that an amazing achievement for Pacquiao being that he already beat him? Adding a couple pounds doesn't change anything, they are the same guys just the name of the title on the belt is different. It's a lame way of becoming champ in another weight class. It's not that Floyd would be getting discredited for beating Cotto again, a win is a win, but it's not proving anything, he already proved he's better than Cotto by beating him. Adding one pound doesn't change anything, man. It's silly. Again it's like finding a loophole in the system to be able to call yourself champion in X amount of weight classes. Beating the same guy twice separated by one pound.

I don't care what Floyd's intentions are either just saying it's pretty damn silly if that were to happen. Maybe Canelo could somehow win a 168 pound title and rematch Floyd at 161 and Floyd could win another title. What does it prove if you already beat the guy?

 

[naner12]

I think it's a different situation when the guy you beat wins a title. Frampton smoked Kiko Martinez, then Martinez goes on to win a title, and Frampton beat him again for the title. Should that not count as an important win?

It's Floyd's fault that Cotto went on to win the lineal MW title? I'd agree with you if say Floyd was the lineal champ at MW and then defended it against Cotto, who he already beat. It makes a huge difference. Should Austin Trout not take a fight with Cotto at 160 for the lineal title because he already beat Cotto and proved he could best him?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I think it's a different situation when the guy you beat wins a title. Frampton smoked Kiko Martinez, then Martinez goes on to win a title, and Frampton beat him again for the title. Should that not count as an important win?

It's Floyd's fault that Cotto went on to win the lineal MW title? I'd agree with you if say Floyd was the lineal champ at MW and then defended it against Cotto, who he already beat. It makes a huge difference. Should Austin Trout not take a fight with Cotto at 160 for the lineal title because he already beat Cotto and proved he could best him?

A little different with Austin Trout obviously since he isn't known and would benefit greatly from getting a title back after losing back to back fights against Canelo and Lara, and fading out of the spot light. He needs a belt because he's falling off. Frampton also was an up and coming fighter, or a contender, Kiko was the best fighter he'd fought at the time. Getting a title was important since that was his first world title.

We're talking about Mayweather and Cotto here, well established fighters. I'm very surprised you have this stance given the circumstance. If the fight happens it's going to be a catchweight we all know that, so literally you're talking about a one pound difference. How is Floyd beating Cotto again at 155 pounds any different than beating him at 154? It's ridiculous. Yes Cotto beat Martinez, not Floyd. That adds to Cotto's legacy, not Floyd's. Floyd doesn't absorb Cotto's wins by beating him. Legacy wise beating Cotto again doesn't do anything for Floyd because he already beat him, we already know the result of the fight.

But regardless of all that, the most important thing here are the rules. Golovkin is mandatory to Cotto's belt. Cotto has been allowed a voluntary fight, it's not going to be Floyd obviously, so the fans should always demand the fighter, along with the sanctioning body, does the right thing and follows/enforce the rules.

 

[naner12]

A little different with Austin Trout obviously since he isn't known and would benefit greatly from getting a title back after losing back to back fights against Canelo and Lara, and fading out of the spot light. He needs a belt because he's falling off. Frampton also was an up and coming fighter, or a contender, Kiko was the best fighter he'd fought at the time. Getting a title was important since that was his first world title.

We're talking about Mayweather and Cotto here, well established fighters. I'm very surprised you have this stance given the circumstance. If the fight happens it's going to be a catchweight we all know that, so literally you're talking about a one pound difference. How is Floyd beating Cotto again at 155 pounds any different than beating him at 154? It's ridiculous. Yes Cotto beat Martinez, not Floyd. That adds to Cotto's legacy, not Floyd's. Floyd doesn't absorb Cotto's wins by beating him. Legacy wise beating Cotto again doesn't do anything for Floyd because he already beat him, we already know the result of the fight.

But regardless of all that, the most important thing here are the rules. Golovkin is mandatory to Cotto's belt. Cotto has been allowed a voluntary fight, it's not going to be Floyd obviously, so the fans should always demand the fighter, along with the sanctioning body, does the right thing and follows/enforce the rules.

That's my point man. You're saying it's not important because it's Floyd and it wouldn't add to his legacy, but it's fine if it's anyone else because it would add to their legacy? Becoming the lineal middleweight champion, which would likely come after beating Pacquiao would do a great deal for his legacy. History will recognize him as a lineal middleweight champion on top of his other accomplishments. You may not look at him differently.

I'll never knock someone for going after a champion or championship, especially a lineal title. I just can't discredit someone because he happened to beat a guy that went on to become a lineal champ for fighting him again after he won a lineal title.

I 100% agree with the second paragraph and don't think the Floyd fight is ideal I'm just not a fan of people saying he's unworthy and using excuses that apparently only apply to him. Just like I don't like things being applied to Floyd (the WBC allowing 2 defenses of belts in different weight classes in the same fight) that aren't allowed for other people.

 

[HERESY]

I want the rules enforced. Fight GGG or drop the belt. You moved up to MW and beat a cripple so stay there and defend or vacate. The big question now is will the WBC enforce the rules?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

That's my point man. You're saying it's not important because it's Floyd and it wouldn't add to his legacy, but it's fine if it's anyone else because it would add to their legacy? Becoming the lineal middleweight champion, which would likely come after beating Pacquiao would do a great deal for his legacy. History will recognize him as a lineal middleweight champion on top of his other accomplishments. You may not look at him differently.

I'm saying in those example you gave, Frampton and Trout, having a world title helps them in their careers, especially Trout because he's fading off into obscurity.

If Floyd would win the middleweight lineal title by beating a middleweight that would be awesome. The problem with fighting Cotto is it would be at 155 and Cotto isn't a middleweight. He's beating the same guy at virtually the same weight (one pound is meaningless).

I'll never knock someone for going after a champion or championship, especially a lineal title. I just can't discredit someone because he happened to beat a guy that went on to become a lineal champ for fighting him again after he won a lineal title.

You have to acknowledge beating the same guy again with a one pound difference is pretty silly. It's not that I'm knocking Floyd, I'm knocking the entire situation and calling it a bit of a farce. Beating Cotto wouldn't make Floyd the best middleweight in the world. The idea behind a lineal title in the first place is to really establish who is the true champ in the weight class. Floyd beating Cotto at 155 (where I'm sure Floyd would weigh no more than 149/150) isnt proving anything, Floyd could beat Cotto at a catchweight of 180 pounds if they wanted to, doesn't make him a legit cruiserweight.

I 100% agree with the second paragraph and don't think the Floyd fight is ideal I'm just not a fan of people saying he's unworthy and using excuses that apparently only apply to him. Just like I don't like things being applied to Floyd (the WBC allowing 2 defenses of belts in different weight classes in the same fight) that aren't allowed for other people.

It's not just applying to Floyd, like I said it would be the same scenario if Bradley beat Cotto and rematched Pacquiao and Pacquiao won. Same thing. Just a bunch of welterweights fighting at catchweights for a middleweight title that an over the hill guy lost.

 

[naner12]

I'm saying in those example you gave, Frampton and Trout, having a world title helps them in their careers, especially Trout because he's fading off into obscurity.

If Floyd would win the middleweight lineal title by beating a middleweight that would be awesome. The problem with fighting Cotto is it would be at 155 and Cotto isn't a middleweight. He's beating the same guy at virtually the same weight (one pound is meaningless).

He'd be fighting the lineal champ. He doesn't decide who holds the lineal MW title, but it shouldn't mean he can't fight for it.

Beating a guy at 1lb higher may sound silly, but when you say what's actually happening it's not silly. Beating a guy for the lineal MW title isn't all that silly.

Bradley, who has never fought at 154, getting a fight for the lineal MW title would be something to complain about.

Pacquiao getting a fight for the lineal MW title after having 1 at 154 (150 or whatever it was) would be ridiculous.

Rios who apparently was on that list of possible Cotto opponents getting a fight for the lineal MW title after having never fought at 154 would be ridiculous.

Floyd getting a fight for the lineal MW title, being the current lineal JMW titlist, is not ridiculous. The fighter that holds the title is irrelevant. You'd feel better if Heiland fought Cotto, beat him, then Floyd beat Heiland? I really just don't get your argument.

If Pacquiao were to fight Mayweather at 154 and win, and then fought Cotto at MW, I'd feel the same way I do as Floyd fighting for it. Ideal? No. Ridiculous? Absolutely not.

No point in going back and forth we're saying the same thing over and over and I'm about to crash.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

We'll that's obviously where we disagree and that's not going to change so we'll just have to leave it at that. The one pound is my sticking point, just can't and will not recognize that kind of farce.

 

[naner12]

We'll that's obviously where we disagree and that's not going to change so we'll just have to leave it at that. The one pound is my sticking point, just can't and will not recognize that kind of farce.

LOL why'd you move it? All the Manny/Floyd thread ruining discussions that were had in other threads over the years.

I thought that was a pretty good one.

 

[trips]

good show, gets more personal with the fighters

Premier Boxing Champions | Corner to Corner

link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UfD6NFJ0dU

 

[2-0-Sixx]

LOL why'd you move it? All the Manny/Floyd thread ruining discussions that were had in other threads over the years.

I thought that was a pretty good one.

Bay Area cried haha. Plus it was getting off topic for sure.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Btw, too bad about Reinaldo Solis, what a wasted talent. Weight 273 pounds absolutely no motivation in him.

 

[heyzel]

Haymon Boxing/Bounce TV in Multi-Year Deal For PBC
Posted by: Random Hits on 3/2/2015 .

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ATLANTA -- Bounce TV has signed a multi-year deal to televise live boxing events of the new Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) series, joining an impressive line-up of television networks with long-term agreements to air the PBC series.

PBC The Next Round will be a monthly series, with two hours of live boxing featuring the most exciting prospects in the sport and boxing's future stars. The series will premiere on Bounce TV in July, with a schedule of fights and on-air talent to be announced shortly.

Bounce TV is the fastest-growing African-American (AA) network on television and has become the #2 most-watched* among all AA networks. It has grown to be available in more than 85 million homes across 90 markets, 90% of African American television homes -- including all of the top AA television markets -- and three quarters of the total television homes in the United States. Among the founders of Bounce TV are iconic American figures Martin Luther King, III and Ambassador Andrew Young.

"This series provides future stars of boxing frequent nationwide exposure on over-the-air television, and will benefit the African-American audience who I believe miss watching this great sport on free TV," said Mr. King, III.

Ambassador Young commented, "Many legendary boxing champions have been heroes to the African American community, whose love of, and passion for, the 'sweet science' spans decades. I am thrilled that Bounce TV will take part in this great sport's return to prominence."

Bounce TV joins NBC Sports Group, CBS Sports and SPIKE TV as television partners for The Premier Boxing Champions series.

Bounce TV features a programming mix of original and off-network series, theatrical motion pictures, documentaries, specials, live sports and more. Bounce TV founders include Mr. King III, Ambassador Young and sports and entertainment entrepreneur Alan Haymon

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Never heard of it. Just checked and Bounce TV is not available in the Pacific North West. Not black enough:

Find Us - Bounce TV

 

[naner12]

I have that channel, just not in HD which kind of sucks.

 

[heyzel]

Malignaggi &#8220;I&#8217;m too honest that&#8217;s the problem&#8221;
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malignaggi53Former two-weight world champion and current color commentator for Showtime Paulie Malignaggi(33-6, 7KO&#8217;s) borrowed his ear to Thaboxingvoice.com as his eyes flitted between the camera and the action in front of him as he stood in the crowd at a recent boxing show.

Fernando Pimental(@Fern_323) conducted the interview and brought up the fact that Paulie -who has been outspoken for as long as he has had the ability to speak I&#8217;m sure- has received some heat for criticising Manny Pacquiao and Bob Arum for what he perceived as their lack of belief in Manny&#8217;s ability to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr, therefore demanding as much money as possible when negotiating their fight, which may have prolonged matters. Given that fight has finally been made, does Paulie regret some of the things he has said?

&#8220;Nah not at all. Anything I say or have ever said I stand by it. I don&#8217;t say anything by accident. I say what I believe, and I&#8217;m much more educated than anyone who wants to contradict me that&#8217;s for sure.&#8221;

&#8220;I&#8217;m too honest that&#8217;s the problem; I got more balls than most people because I don&#8217;t care about being criticised.&#8221;

As a fighter, Paulie&#8217;s explosive mouth adds flavour to his personality and increases his marketability, but now he spends a lot of his time behind the mic commentating on fights his outbursts could possibly have a detrimental effect on that part of his career.

Given his history of publicly taking Pacquiao to task over various issues, it seems his involvement in the upcoming Mayweather-Pacquiao event, which will be co-produced by Showtime and HBO, seems tentative at this point despite interest from other media outlets.

&#8220;You know I got a call from my bosses at Showtime that they wanna use me in some way, shape or form because I wanted to let them know that I got a call from one of the British networks, they wanna use me, so I basically wanted to check with my bosses at Showtime.&#8221;

Having intimated &#8220;BBC Radio&#8221; would like to use him in a more central role instead of having him skirt around the periphery, he conceded that Showtime are still unsure as to the extent they will involve him in the biggest fight to ever be made.

&#8220;My bosses at Showtime have told me not to jump the gun yet because I&#8217;m still the subject of conversation for the telecast, so we&#8217;ll see what happens, I&#8217;m not worried about it man.&#8221;

Given the main announce team on the night will consist of a collaboration between the two networks in Jim Lampley and Roy Jones Jr from HBO and Al Berstein from Showtime. I suppose it all depends on how significant a part Paulie would like to play on the night. If he would rather work the fight itself he may want to answer that call from the UK, but if he would prefer to sit back and soak up the atmosphere I&#8217;m sure he will content himself with showing his face once or twice throughout the evening

 

[naner12]

Btw, too bad about Reinaldo Solis, what a wasted talent. Weight 273 pounds absolutely no motivation in him.

Not sure if you meant to call him Reinaldo but that was disappointing. Looked disgusting out there, the good thing for him is people are going to be lining up prospects to fight him.

EDIT: And as I posted that I read this..

"Thompson figures to get another notable fight out of this victory, but Solis looks about done because he just doesn't seem to care about fighting. Solis' promoter, Ahmet Oner, who also works in his corner, blasted him after the fight.

"I have wasted a lot of time, nerves and money on Solis," he said. "He has all the talent in the world, but he just blew it. I cannot believe how bad he looked. He is a shame for Cuban boxing. The guy is done. And I'm done with him. He's still under contract with me, but today he made the step from contender to journeyman. I will throw him to the wolves and feed every young and hungry prospect with him who is ready to pay some money."

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Not sure if you meant to call him Reinaldo but that was disappointing. Looked disgusting out there, the good thing for him is people are going to be lining up prospects to fight him.

It's his name in reverse. In Cuba it became popular to name their children in reverse and all types of weird shit. His dad is Reinaldo. He named his son the reverse, Oldaneir Solis.

I have no sympathy for Ahmet Oner though, that guy is the worst. I understand he put time and money into Solis but he's a snake. Pretty sure he's banned in all of Germany, hate that guy not sure if there is anyone more corrupt then him and that's saying a lot. So many things to list, but not sure if you heard his interview where he admitted paying the WBA $750,000 so that Sturm wouldn't have to fight his mandatory in Golovkin lol.








Anyways, Ward really needs to take the fight. He's been begging for a rematch for over two years even though he won and it's more money in the UK.

Froch To Ward: I'm Not Vacating, I Dare You To Travel!
Posted by: Edward Chaykovsky on 3/2/2015 .

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By Edward Chaykovsky

Last week, the World Boxing Association ordered their 'regular' super middleweight champion Carl Froch to face the 'super' champion at 168-pounds, Andre Ward, in a rematch. The two boxers collided three years and three months ago in Atlantic City as part of the Super Six tournament final. Ward, who reportedly had a hand injury, had little trouble in winning the fight.

Froch recently vacated his IBF title because the sanctioning body ordered him to fight Matchroom stablemate James DeGale. The Nottingham boxer would be open to idea of facing Ward in a revenge bout - if Ward would travel across the ocean to the UK for the fight.

Ward has been inactive since a fall 2013 twelve round decision win over Edwin Rodriguez. After settling some legal issues with former promoter Goossen Promotions, and signing a new deal with Roc Nation Sports, the unbeaten champion is ready to enter the ring. Froch has been out of the ring since last May's record-breaking knockout of George Groves in their Wembley rematch which drew 80,000 fans.

The WBA are giving them until the end of this month to reach a deal before a purse bid is called. Promoter Eddie Hearn of Matchroom is holding the City Ground for a tentative date of May 30, but Froch hopes the date is pushed back a few weeks to mid-June.

"I fought him in the US,&#8217; Froch said to Daily Mail. &#8216;Now it&#8217;s only right that he comes over here. To be a truly great champion you have to box overseas. Ward needs to be forced to travel out of his comfort zone. I dare him. He will discover that I&#8217;m a very different animal here than I was that night on the Boardwalk."

"I vacated the IBF title so as not to delay James DeGale from getting his chance any longer. But I&#8217;m not giving up the WBA title. No way. I will only get back in the ring for a fight that really floats my boat,&#8217; says Froch. &#8216;And when you think about it, beating Ward in Nottingham would be a fantastic way to end my career."