Boxing News Thread

[2-0-Sixx]

Donaire proved he wanted to fight the best. He could have made excuses not to fight Rigondeaux, but the ultimate goal was to unify all the belts. Bob Arum most likely didn't want the Rigondeaux fight, but Donaire did so he made it. And you're right it didn't hurt Donaire's career losing to him, although it probably hurt his career getting destroyed by Walters.

Speaking of, they were talking about Walters vs lomachenko but rumors are Walters is talk ing with Al Haymon and about to sign if he hasn't already so there goes that awesome fight.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ruslan Provodnikov V Matthysse March 28th, done deal. That's how real men do it.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

All I'm saying is, when the "best" fighter in the world did business by cherry picking his fights and ducking fighters, can't blame up and comers for doing the same thing because that's the example they have to go with.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Kinda funny but also sucks because a lot of these guys used to interact with the fans.

PBC fighters twitter accounts now being co managed by social media reps
First mistake, "Danny Jacobs" calls out Keith Thurman when social media rep tweets from wrong account

 

[2-0-Sixx]

All I'm saying is, when the "best" fighter in the world did business by cherry picking his fights and ducking fighters, can't blame up and comers for doing the same thing because that's the example they have to go with.

The best fighter in the world put in work and certainly was not a cherry picker to get to the top. Look at Mayweathers resume at 135. Mayweather fought the top guys. You could argue over the last few years he's taken a more calculated approach, some of that has to do with who's available though.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Mayweather has ducked and cherry picked for most of his career...like I said, when the supposed best one the world does business this way, can't blame young cats following the same way. It's the state of boxing right now, and mayweather is the godfather of cherry picking and ducking guys until they are old.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Mayweather has ducked and cherry picked for most of his career...like I said, when the supposed best one the world does business this way, can't blame young cats following the same way. It's the state of boxing right now, and mayweather is the godfather of cherry picking and ducking guys until they are old.

Most of his career?? Like who? He fought all the top guys Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Oscar, Hatton etc all those guys were champs. Mosley was a bit old but he just won a belt by destroying Margarito. The last couple years there just hasn't been much talent at 147 so Ortiz, Guerrero guys like that aren't anything special. Canelo obviously wasn't old and that's the fight the fans wanted. His career was nothing like Santa Cruz, like I said Mayweather put in work to get to the top. Leo is fighting sparring partners and dishwashers.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

All of a sudden you forgot mayweathers past? Like I said, let Leo make his money can't blame him for the state of boxing today. I point at mayweather because he is p4p number one...has he fought the best his whole career? Or has he ducked people or waited till he had an advantage over them? Look at the 80's fighters, they all fought eachother. Those days are over, and it has nothing to do with Leo. He follows the examples set by the best right now.

 

[battle619]

Wait a monute @2-0-Sixx , was Floyd with Haymon when he was at 135? Plus, didn't you say the Floyd "retired" for two years when 147 was the hottest it's ever been? I remember cuz I agreed to that. And you can't talk about who was or is available for Floyd cuz he used to fight with HBO, then switched to Showtime. He also never did business with TR. Now he doesn't want to do business with TR, GBP, and HBO even if they are the ones working harder than his camp to give him his biggest payday. I think for the past 5+ years, he's only had two or three legit contenders, Judah, Hatton, and Cotto. Everyone else was BS! It's all Haymon's work and that's what Lamberto is saying. Can't be too mad at LSC, Quillin, or Garcia if they see that Haymon is using Floyd as an example.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

^exaxtly my point.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

All of a sudden you forgot mayweathers past? Like I said, let Leo make his money can't blame him for the state of boxing today. I point at mayweather because he is p4p number one...has he fought the best his whole career? Or has he ducked people or waited till he had an advantage over them? Look at the 80's fighters, they all fought eachother. Those days are over, and it has nothing to do with Leo. He follows the examples set by the best right now.

Who has he ducked?

What I've said about Mayweather in the past was the only gripe I had with his career is when he briefly "retired" for two years. That's the only criticism I really have with this career. When it boils down to it, who did he duck? Tell me the names of the fighters he ducked. There isn't any names that stand out, the only name is Pacquiao but that's obviously been both sides who have been at fault and it looks like they are fighting now.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Mosley, margarito, pacquiao...etc.

Showing up overweight vs JMM...I can go on. It's easy to nitpick at a fighter...but Floyd gets criticized more because he says he's the best ever. That's the difference.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Wait a monute @2-0-Sixx , was Floyd with Haymon when he was at 135? Plus, didn't you say the Floyd "retired" for two years when 147 was the hottest it's ever been? I remember cuz I agreed to that. And you can't talk about who was or is available for Floyd cuz he used to fight with HBO, then switched to Showtime. He also never did business with TR. Now he doesn't want to do business with TR, GBP, and HBO even if they are the ones working harder than his camp to give him his biggest payday. I think for the past 5+ years, he's only had two or three legit contenders, Judah, Hatton, and Cotto. Everyone else was BS! It's all Haymon's work and that's what Lamberto is saying. Can't be too mad at LSC, Quillin, or Garcia if they see that Haymon is using Floyd as an example.

Right, his "retirement" was the only thing I've criticized him about as far as his career goes. He didn't duck any specific fighter though. As far as him not working with top rank, we don't have the answers as to why Haymon and top rank don't do business, obviously some beef. There isn't anyone under Top Rank that we've wanted Floyd to fight though besides maybe Timothy Bradley.

It's bullshit to say Leo and Quillin are following Floyd's example. Floyd's WORST opponents are better than the BEST fighters these two guys have fought. What's the worst opponent Floyd has fought, Ortiz and Guerrero? I wish Leo and Quillin fought anyone as good as them.

Look at Mayweathers recent opponents and then look at LSC and Quillin:

Maidana (just bear broner for his title)
Canelo (undefeated 154 pound champ)
Guerrero (mandatory)
Cotto (154 pound champ)
Ortiz (just beat Berto for his title)
Mosley (just beat Margarito for his title)


Who have Leo and Quillin fought again? Exactly.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Mosley, margarito, pacquiao...etc.

Showing up overweight vs JMM...I can go on. It's easy to nitpick at a fighter...but Floyd gets criticized more because he says he's the best ever. That's the difference.

He never ducked Mosley, this is a weird misconception that's grown out of the years. Floyd's offered to fight Mosley and Mosley rejected it. Said he had a tooth ache.

Margarito, this was right when Floyd left Top Rank there was obviously bad blood between Floyd and Arum and Floyd shortly after got the Oscar fight.

Pacquiao, well we all know BOTH sides were at fault here like I've said a million times here.

You can go on? Who?

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

He retired when the division was at it's best and didn't come back till they all best the shit out of eachother. He never fought morales, never fought Barrera. It's funny you're defending Floyd when you've always talked shit about him. What has changed?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

He retired when the division was at it's best and didn't come back till they all best the shit out of eachother. He never fought morales, never fought Barrera. It's funny you're defending Floyd when you've always talked shit about him. What has changed?

Morales and Barrera? What are you talking about? Those guys were at 122/126 pounds, when they moved up to 130 Floyd was already a welterweight. Floyd started his career at 135. There was never a point in time when a Floyd vs Morales or Barrera would have possibly made any sense.


Here is Shane Mosley turning down Floyd's offered btw:


I talk shit about Floyd the person and his antics. If you look back over the years I've always said he is the best, he's proven, and he hasn't ducked anyone. I dislike the person he's become, not the fighter. The point here is, to say LSC is following the steps of Mayweather is absurd because again, Mayweather PUT IN WORK to get to the top, he beat the top guys, Leo has not and is unwilling to do so.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

He never fought the best until recently, and even then he pulls shit like catchweights, showing up heavy...not what a fighter needs to do to be the best ever. I don't care, let him make his money I can't hate. But calling out other fighters for doing what Floyd did is hypocritical breh...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

He never fought the best until recently, and even then he pulls shit like catchweights, showing up heavy...not what a fighter needs to do to be the best ever. I don't care, let him make his money I can't hate. But calling out other fighters for doing what Floyd did is hypocritical breh...

It seems you don't even know what you're talking about. He fought the best at 135. This is undeniable. He gets more props for his early career than he does for his recent career, if anything you have it backwards. If you can't admit that, then who were the best at 135 that Floyd didn't fight? It's like you're just making up stuff as you go since you realized you were completely wrong about Morales and Barrera (which made zero sense for you to say). Floyd's early career was his most impressive, it's when he turned into "Money" after Oscar that he stopped truly challenging himself.

Btw, I'm not the one saying he's the best ever lol that's his thing, I'm only dismissing your comparison to LSC to Floyd. Your screwy logic to defend Santa Cruz's shitty opponents and blatant ducking is to say its all good because he's getting money and it's what Floyd did. Floyd earned his spot at the top, Leo hasn't earned a damn thing.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

He ducked margarito no question. He ducked pacquiao no question. He ducked cotto early on, no question. And the morales and Barrera fights could have been made if he wanted...or were catchweights just recently invented?

 

[2-0-Sixx]

He ducked margarito no question. He ducked pacquiao no question. He ducked cotto early on, no question. And the morales and Barrera fights could have been made if he wanted...or were catchweights just recently invented?

lol when could have Morales and Barrera fights been made? You have no idea what you're talking about. They were at 122/126 when Floyd was at 135. There was never a time when anyone in the boxing world said Mayweather should fight these guys, pretty absurd you're still talking about them.