DO U THINK THERE WILL EVER BE ANOTHER 2PAC IN THE INDUSTRY??

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ThaG

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NEVER!!! People always claiming PAC was overrated but never explain how. PAC combined the styles of teaching and street knowledge of BDP, PUBLIC ENEMY, NWA with the partying style of D.U. and his voice and mic presence helped him stand out from the pack. A lot of people say, "he only blew up cause he got shot" but that's bs. STRICTLY FOR MY NIGGAZ took PAC to a whole notha level and that was 93
2Pac was a product of a very specific set of circumstances that don't exist anymore - the Black Panther legacy of the family, the crack epidemic of the 80s, the overall content of hip-hop in the late 80s (a lot more political than ever since), the lack of the kind of differentiation between subgenres of hip-hop that set in later, etc. and this all coincided with the Golden Age of hip-hop.

All of those things came together and you had an incredibly talented person to take advantage of them and create timeless masterpieces. But the environment does not really exist anymore - back then you could both be making politically and socially conscious music and have it sound hardcore and appeal to both the streets and the masses. It does not happen anymore - the conscious rappers are relegated to their special niche and are mostly making soft music appealing to hipsters, while the hardcore sound is trap music, which just does not lend itself to deep lyricism. I would very much like to see someone try to merge those things but I have hard time seeing how it's going to work - those beats are hard-hitting but they just naturally go with simplistic lyrics about sex, drugs and violence. So you have these divisions in hip-hop - in the mainstream you mostly have gay pop music that can hardly be called hip-hop, then you have the more "intellectual" type of stuff that is in its own bubble, then there is the trap, etc., and they don't really mix. Also, nobody is really rapping with the same energy and intensity as he did back then. So it is very hard to see how someone else who can transcend all those different aspects of hip-hop (the political and conscious message, the party music, the gangsta tales), appeal to everyone, make it into the mainstream, and do it while putting so much passion into his music, will emerge any time soon.
 

ThaG

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There may be many rappers that do things better than he did, but IMO there isn't a rapper that was able to do as much as he was able to do in terms of the range he had. He could teach you the game, talk about politics, make a love song, make a heartfelt song about his moms, talk about child abuse, kill an entire coasts worth of popular rappers, and make a party track, all on the same album and it was dope. I'm not saying he's my favorite of all time or that he was far and way the best lyricist, but he was the best ever. Very few dudes can do even half of what I listed but Pac could do it all and not lose respect with the hardest fools in the street, the ladies, etc...
People tend to usually mix up the terms "best" and "greatest". It's not the same thing. "Best" refers to ability, and there are different kinds of ability in which it's usually different people who top the lists. "Greatness" is about accomplishments. So while Pac was not the "best" rapper by any of the commonly used criteria, the body of work is unparalleled, especially given the short time period in which it was put together
 

ThaG

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fuck kobe he sucks dick and needs to retire already.
Interesting that you brought up Kobe - if you examine what drove people like him, MJ and Pac to do what they did, you will find a lot of similarities: an unshakable sense of self-confidence, the ability to single-mindedly focus on something and pursue it, and a drive to work, work, work, incessantly, and all the time. That's how you elevate yourself to that level. They are not necessarily nice people to be around, but that's the price you pay.

BTW, this is another reason why such people will become even more rare than they were - we live in such a distracted society with such extremely short attention spans, that it is very difficult for this kind of character to develop. You see it in the basketball players that entered the league in the last 10-15 years, and you see it in the rappers too - hundreds of tracks, countless mixtapes, and you can extract some some great music from them, but the focus to create a single statement work of art is just absent.
 
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Dude sit the fuck down with your weak ass comparisons!!!! Kobe can never be as great as Jordan. Kobe is way too inaccurate of a shooter, He cant control the flow of the game nor involve players or even elevate his team to perform on a championship level. I see you throwing a bunch of laker names out there do you even read what you type.You just sound like a bitter lakers fan. Be real with yourself.







Six rings thats all it is







Nigga wish he was 2-3 but he'll never be LOL



show some respect to one of the all-time greats, son.....kobe is just as accurate of a shooter as jordan. the difference is that kobe has more range and a much better three point shot, so shooting threes naturally lowers a players percentage. is shaq better than jordan because he has less range/higher shooting percentage? and kobe doesn't elevate the play of his players? lmfao. thats good. he elevated players like gasol, odom, artest, ariza to a championship level, so wtf u smokin on? kobe has won championships with pau gasol as a second fiddle...jordan has never won without pippen, who was considered the 2nd best player in the nba by many during those years, and also regarded by many as the greatest perimeter defender of all time. to make it simple, you're just another brainwashed sheep who has been programmed to elevate jordan to "untouchable" status. you can thank marketing/media for controlling your mind....kobe can do everything jordan can do and then some. better handles and more of a pure shot. jordan may have the slight edge on defense, but kobe didnt have a pippen to lock down the best perimeter player on the opposing team for his entire career. theres a reason the great john wooden said kobe is the greatest player he's ever seen. even phil jackson said kobe's skills surpassed jordan's...but of course, being raised in the 90s, with jordan bein shoved down our throats left and right, we'd naturally feel as if he's head-and-shoulders above the rest...this couldn't be any less true. you obviously don't like kobe and that's clear...but show some respect to the legend.
 
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Ever hear of a guy named Kasinova Tha Don? Look up his songs on YouTube and let me know your thoughts. Some claim it's Pac alive again while some claim it's an impersonator using a voice thing while some claim it's Pac's nephew being used by Pac to put himself back out there. Lots of weird coincidences but you be the judge lol. Either way, probably the closest you'll get to that intensity haha.
lolwut
 
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BTW, Jordan did what Kobe doesnt...he makes the people around him BETTER.

Chicago was basically Jordan, Pippen...and a bunch of nobodies. And when Jordan left and Pippen was still there, the results were not the same. Pippen was a great player, but he didnt have the influence Jordan had.

2Pac after Me Against The World was nothing i cared about. I have always thought he was overrated and his style was annoying as he grew into his "thug" personna. All the "enemieeeeeeeeeees" and "henesseeeeeeeeeey" shit made me want to punch infants.
 

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Yeah i listened to bunch of the songs way back when only song that slapped to me and still does is this. Fuck the weak remake they released on one of those albums released after Pacs death
oh yuuuup
i don't know if the song was released else where, but the first time i heard "staring at my rear view" was on those bootleg tapes, used to play that one all dee time.
sorry, can't link a vid right now but I'll try to later
 
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BTW, Jordan did what Kobe doesnt...he makes the people around him BETTER.

Chicago was basically Jordan, Pippen...and a bunch of nobodies. And when Jordan left and Pippen was still there, the results were not the same. Pippen was a great player, but he didnt have the influence Jordan had.

2Pac after Me Against The World was nothing i cared about. I have always thought he was overrated and his style was annoying as he grew into his "thug" personna. All the "enemieeeeeeeeeees" and "henesseeeeeeeeeey" shit made me want to punch infants.
yea, because Kobe didnt bring the best out of Odom, Gasol, Ariza, Bynum, Fisher etc? Shit, even look at players like Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Ronny Turiaf, Shannon Brown, Josh Powell...Kobe got the absolute best out of those guys, made them all look credible, got them paid with other teams, and those same players couldnt duplicate the success they had playing under Kobe. Some of those players were done once they left Kobe's corner.. some got big contracts and couldn't live up to it, because the only reason they looked good was due to Kobe elevating their game by demanding perfection..Jordan making his teammates better is overrated..he didnt make his teammates any better than Kobe did, and thats a fact. it's another myth created by the mass media, Jordan made his teammates better/Kobe didn't..but where is the proof? there is none. It just goes to prove my point.


Kobe won with far less than Jordan ever had and there's absolutely no denying that.


You make baseless claims...another one="Jordan had Pippen and no one else". Do you realize the year Jordan left the Bulls, Chicago was a 55 win team and made it to the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals WITHOUT JORDAN. Thats how deep that Bulls team was...This was a Pippen led Bulls and they BEASTED. The next year, when Jordan came back, they only won 47 games.....The media done did you dirty to a point of no return, brodie. and thats just real. Jordan had the perfect supporting cast. Literally perfection..BJ Armstrong was an all-star, Horace Grant was a beast, Dennis Rodman is considered by many the greatest rebounder of all time, John Paxson and Steve Kerr were amongst the best shooters in the league, Toni Kukoc was one of the greatest Euros to play in the NBA, Ron Harper was a former superstar who compromised his game to help the Bulls succeed. Thats another thing people do..they underrated Jordan's cast to try and make Jordan seem better than what he was. You take Kobe off those last 2 championship Laker teams and they dont even make the playoff...Fuckin Pau Gasol as a second fiddle. Come on, now. Jordan NEVER did that. Give Kobe a prime Pippen from 1990-1998 and he wins 8 straight (considering he would never retire and go pursue a baseball career ala Jordan)..Dont let other tell you how to think. That's exactly what you're doing by spewing the same garbage that BSPN has been feeding us for years. Basketball purists know better..if you don't wanna take it from me, take it from John Wooden.
 
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IN 2014...I CAN "COMPARE" KOBE 2 JORDAN BUT IMO AINT NOTHIN LIKE THE ORIGINAL SO I STILL GIVE JORDAN THE NOD.
IVE BEEN WATCHING THE NBA SINCE I WAS A CHILD AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY NO MAN HAS EVER EXCITED ME WITH THE BALL IN HIS HANDS LIKE THE GREAT MJ.
#IT IS WHAT IT IS


in that case, you should give dr. j the nod, because he was doin what jordan was doin in the 70s.....or even elgin baylor, who is credited for creating that style of play in the 60s. bottom line, we been spoon-fed jordan our entire life, so thats what we know...but there have been many players who have come and gone who are interchangeable as GOAT. Jordan is just one of them, not the only one
 
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in that case, you should give dr. j the nod, because he was doin what jordan was doin in the 70s.....or even elgin baylor, who is credited for creating that style of play in the 60s. bottom line, we been spoon-fed jordan our entire life, so thats what we know...but there have been many players who have come and gone who are interchangeable as GOAT. Jordan is just one of them, not the only one
I LIVED IN PHILADELPHIA WHEN DR. J WAS IN HIS PRIME AND EVEN WENT 2 THE RIOT/PARADE WHEN THEY WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP BUT I STILL DONT THINK MR. ERVING HAD THE IMPACT AND SKILL 2 MAKE A SORRY TEAM BETTER LIKE JORDAN DID. REGARDLESS, ITS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION AND IM A BASKETBALL AFFILIATED PERSON SO I BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT IF I TALK IT. I PATTERNED MY PERSONAL GAME AFTER DR. J,MAGIC,ISIAH THOMAS AND MJ. JORDAN HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL I DONT SEE IN ANYONE ELSE....KINDA LIKE PAC ALSO SO 2 ME IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.
 
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yea, because Kobe didnt bring the best out of Odom, Gasol, Ariza, Bynum, Fisher etc? Shit, even look at players like Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Sasha Vujacic, Ronny Turiaf, Shannon Brown, Josh Powell...Kobe got the absolute best out of those guys, made them all look credible, got them paid with other teams, and those same players couldnt duplicate the success they had playing under Kobe. Some of those players were done once they left Kobe's corner.. some got big contracts and couldn't live up to it, because the only reason they looked good was due to Kobe elevating their game by demanding perfection..Jordan making his teammates better is overrated..he didnt make his teammates any better than Kobe did, and thats a fact. it's another myth created by the mass media, Jordan made his teammates better/Kobe didn't..but where is the proof? there is none. It just goes to prove my point.


Kobe won with far less than Jordan ever had and there's absolutely no denying that.


You make baseless claims...another one="Jordan had Pippen and no one else". Do you realize the year Jordan left the Bulls, Chicago was a 55 win team and made it to the Eastern Conference Semi-Finals WITHOUT JORDAN. Thats how deep that Bulls team was...This was a Pippen led Bulls and they BEASTED. The next year, when Jordan came back, they only won 47 games.....The media done did you dirty to a point of no return, brodie. and thats just real. Jordan had the perfect supporting cast. Literally perfection..BJ Armstrong was an all-star, Horace Grant was a beast, Dennis Rodman is considered by many the greatest rebounder of all time, John Paxson and Steve Kerr were amongst the best shooters in the league, Toni Kukoc was one of the greatest Euros to play in the NBA, Ron Harper was a former superstar who compromised his game to help the Bulls succeed. Thats another thing people do..they underrated Jordan's cast to try and make Jordan seem better than what he was. You take Kobe off those last 2 championship Laker teams and they dont even make the playoff...Fuckin Pau Gasol as a second fiddle. Come on, now. Jordan NEVER did that. Give Kobe a prime Pippen from 1990-1998 and he wins 8 straight (considering he would never retire and go pursue a baseball career ala Jordan)..Dont let other tell you how to think. That's exactly what you're doing by spewing the same garbage that BSPN has been feeding us for years. Basketball purists know better..if you don't wanna take it from me, take it from John Wooden.
Are you REALLY trying to compare guys like Odom, Bynum and Gasol to the likes of Paxton, Wellington, and Blount????

LOLWUT

This convo is over.
 
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Are you REALLY trying to compare guys like Odom, Bynum and Gasol to the likes of Paxton, Wellington, and Blount????

LOLWUT

This convo is over.


is that what I said? holy shit, that might be the worst argument anyone has ever tried making against me in my entire life.

if you wanna take it there, then it's more like Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc >>>> Odom, Bynum, Gasol...that goes without saying.

but where in my entire post did I even mention "wellington" (i think u meant wennington) or blount? come on, now. you can do better.
 
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I LIVED IN PHILADELPHIA WHEN DR. J WAS IN HIS PRIME AND EVEN WENT 2 THE RIOT/PARADE WHEN THEY WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP BUT I STILL DONT THINK MR. ERVING HAD THE IMPACT AND SKILL 2 MAKE A SORRY TEAM BETTER LIKE JORDAN DID. REGARDLESS, ITS JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION AND IM A BASKETBALL AFFILIATED PERSON SO I BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT IF I TALK IT. I PATTERNED MY PERSONAL GAME AFTER DR. J,MAGIC,ISIAH THOMAS AND MJ. JORDAN HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL I DONT SEE IN ANYONE ELSE....KINDA LIKE PAC ALSO SO 2 ME IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.

what u see is that Michael Jordan was marketed and shoved down our throats way harder than any of those other players...if it wasnt for Dr. J's impact on the game of basketball, Jordan wouldnt have even been doing the things he was doing.


interesting that we're on this topic, as this is what Phil Jackson had to say just the other day:

Serby: Is Kobe Bryant the model for Carmelo Anthony?

Phil Jackson: No. No one can approach that. I don’t expect anybody to be able to model their behavior after that, although Kobe modeled his behavior a lot about Michael Jordan, but he went beyond Michael in his attitude towards training, and I know Mike would probably question me saying that, but he did.


theyre both legends in their own right and 2 of the top 10 greatests of all time, who are all interchangeable as GOAT when it comes down to it.





and what sorry team did Jordan make better? Lets not forget, Jordan was known as a loser for his first 7 years in the league....it wasnt until Pippen became the dominant force he was that Jordan started winning. as i already pointed out, that bulls team, led by pippen, won 55 games and made it to the ECF the year Jordan left to play baseball...so claiming they were a "sorry team" is a stretch, to say the least.
 
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NAH I GOT MY OWN 2 EYES....AND I REMEMBER JORDAN PLAYING AGAINST THE CELTICS IN THE PLAYOFFS EARLY IN HIS CAREER AND BECOMING MY FAVORITE PLAYER EVER EVEN THO I NEVER LIKED THE BULLS AS A FRANCHISE. U CAN SAY WHATEVER WHAT U WANT BUT I STAND BY WHAT I SAID AND IT IS WHAT IT IS....ITS NOT ALL THAT COMPLICATED IF U CHOOSE 2 COMPREHEND WHAT IM SAYIN AS MY OWN OPINION AND FACTS AND NOT TRY 2 MAKE EXCUSES 4 HOW THE NEXT MAN FEELS ABOUT SOMETHING. 1
 
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is that what I said? holy shit, that might be the worst argument anyone has ever tried making against me in my entire life.

if you wanna take it there, then it's more like Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc >>>> Odom, Bynum, Gasol...that goes without saying.

but where in my entire post did I even mention "wellington" (i think u meant wennington) or blount? come on, now. you can do better.
No, its not and i dont need to do better. I said what i said, and it is what it is.