After Pac beats algieri I'd love to see algieri fight Broner. I bet he'd win 12-0 or maybe 11-1
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Yeah I agree - Garcia really doesn't need to give him a rematch. He won fair and square. I respected Garcia's skills after that (still think he's a giant douchebag though).
I think it's clear Garcia is playing it safe because they are trying to get either a Pacquiao or Mayweather fight next year. Just depends on the outcomes obviously. I have a suspicion Floyd will fight Khan and Garcia fights Pacquiao at 140.
I think it's clear Garcia is playing it safe because they are trying to get either a Pacquiao or Mayweather fight next year. Just depends on the outcomes obviously. I have a suspicion Floyd will fight Khan and Garcia fights Pacquiao at 140.
Roach: Cotto and Pacquiao are better than Mayweather now
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miguel cotto manny pacquiao freddie roach floyd mayweather jr By Chris Williams: Trainer Freddie Roach is still stewing about WBA/WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr (46-0, 26 KOs) showing little interest in fighting his No.1 guy WBO 147 pound champion Manny Pacquiao (56-5-2, 38 KOs) in a mega-fight.
Roach has recently been saying that the only reason why Mayweather has shown no interest in that fight is because he feels he’s a shot fighter whose legs are gone. In a recent interview, Roach continued along that theme with him believing Mayweather has lost a few steps and can no longer move like he used to.
Roach says that both of his top two money fighters – Pacquiao and WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto – are better than Mayweather at this point. Mayweather beat Cotto in 2012, but Roach points out that was before he started training him and having him throw more left hooks.
“I think it’s a better fight [Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao],” Roach said to Fighthub.com. “I think Floyd’s a little shot right now. I see that’s why he won’t fight Pacquiao. That’s my opinion. He [Mayweather] says he wants to please the audience for him not moving so well anymore. I say bull [expletive]. Your legs are gone. I have two guys [Cotto and Pacquiao] with better talent than he [Mayweather] does. He’s been well protected. He has a great deal with Showtime where he gets to pick his opponents. Promoters shouldn’t let that happen.”
It’s hard to see either Cotto or Pacquiao as being anywhere close to the talent level that Mayweather has after looking at some of their recent fights. Cotto hasn’t fought a live body since he was beaten by Austin Trout in 2012. In Cotto’s last two fights, he’s beaten a shot Sergio Martinez and Delvin Rodriguez, a fighter that was easily beaten by Trout in Rodriguez’s prime.
Cotto is the same fighter that Mayweather and Trout beat, as far as I can tell. He’s just older now and no longer fighting good opposition. Pacquiao has lost 2 out of his last 4 fights, and was staggered by the light hitting Tim Bradley in his last fight in April. I don’t know that Pacquiao can take a big punch any longer without getting hurt, and I think Mayweather would know him out.
Roach can talk all he wants about how he thinks Mayweather is a shot fighter, but I don’t believe that’s going to lead to Mayweather looking to fight either Cotto or Pacquiao. They’re with Top Rank, and he likely won’t be looking to do Bob Arum of Top Rank any favors by fighting them.
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miguel cotto manny pacquiao freddie roach floyd mayweather jr By Chris Williams: Trainer Freddie Roach is still stewing about WBA/WBC welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather Jr (46-0, 26 KOs) showing little interest in fighting his No.1 guy WBO 147 pound champion Manny Pacquiao (56-5-2, 38 KOs) in a mega-fight.
Roach has recently been saying that the only reason why Mayweather has shown no interest in that fight is because he feels he’s a shot fighter whose legs are gone. In a recent interview, Roach continued along that theme with him believing Mayweather has lost a few steps and can no longer move like he used to.
Roach says that both of his top two money fighters – Pacquiao and WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto – are better than Mayweather at this point. Mayweather beat Cotto in 2012, but Roach points out that was before he started training him and having him throw more left hooks.
“I think it’s a better fight [Cotto vs. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao],” Roach said to Fighthub.com. “I think Floyd’s a little shot right now. I see that’s why he won’t fight Pacquiao. That’s my opinion. He [Mayweather] says he wants to please the audience for him not moving so well anymore. I say bull [expletive]. Your legs are gone. I have two guys [Cotto and Pacquiao] with better talent than he [Mayweather] does. He’s been well protected. He has a great deal with Showtime where he gets to pick his opponents. Promoters shouldn’t let that happen.”
It’s hard to see either Cotto or Pacquiao as being anywhere close to the talent level that Mayweather has after looking at some of their recent fights. Cotto hasn’t fought a live body since he was beaten by Austin Trout in 2012. In Cotto’s last two fights, he’s beaten a shot Sergio Martinez and Delvin Rodriguez, a fighter that was easily beaten by Trout in Rodriguez’s prime.
Cotto is the same fighter that Mayweather and Trout beat, as far as I can tell. He’s just older now and no longer fighting good opposition. Pacquiao has lost 2 out of his last 4 fights, and was staggered by the light hitting Tim Bradley in his last fight in April. I don’t know that Pacquiao can take a big punch any longer without getting hurt, and I think Mayweather would know him out.
Roach can talk all he wants about how he thinks Mayweather is a shot fighter, but I don’t believe that’s going to lead to Mayweather looking to fight either Cotto or Pacquiao. They’re with Top Rank, and he likely won’t be looking to do Bob Arum of Top Rank any favors by fighting them.
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Sergio Martinez to meet doctor next Tuesday for tests on his injuries
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sergio martinez By Cameron Gillon: Former WBC, WBO and Ring middleweight champion Sergio Martinez career will be decided next week when he meets with a doctor to run tests on the injuries he has occurred over recent years.
Martinez is coming off a heavy loss to the new WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto where Martinez lost that title to Cotto, Martinez to me was a favorite and I gave Cotto no chance of winning this fight due to Cotto not ever fighting at 160 and Martinez still being good enough to beat Cotto.
That wasn’t the case as Cotto put Martinez down three times in the 1st round and then again in the 9th. The fight was stopped by Martinez’s trainer who could clearly see Martinez was not going to win on the scorecards and had nothing left to go for the knockout. Martinez’s legs couldn’t handle Cotto’s power shots and the only thing that kept Martinez was going was the heart he has.
I have to give Cotto credit for the win. Despite Martinez being well shot and a shell of his former self, he looked impressive and boxed smartly. When Cotto knocked Martinez down, he didn’t become reckless and bided his time in winning the fight and looked good in doing so compared to his recent performances.
Martinez has recently stated he would like to fight on with his career but for me its time for him to call time on his career. For such a late starter in the sport, he only started boxing at the age of 20 and what a career he has had. He won his first major title in 2003 when he defeated Richard Williams to win the IBO light middleweight title. In 2010, Martinez defeated the hard hitting Kelly Pavlik to win the Ring, Lineal, WBC and WBO middleweight titles and become the undisputed middleweight champion of the world. Martinez then went on to defend them titles against the likes of the great Paul Williams in a brutal knockout in their rematch, British fighters Matthew Macklin and Darren Barker and gave Mexican star Julio Cesar Chavez Jr his first loss in taking his WBC title back. That was the last fight Martinez really looked himself as the injuries he suffered happened in that fight. It was a brutal fight and one Martinez had to give the fight of his life to win.
Sergio Martinez will always be one of the best pound for pound fighters. To me. an uninjured and prime Sergio Martinez would be continuing to clear out the middleweight division today, including beating the highly rated power puncher Gennady Golovkin. That would of been a big fight and one we would of been talking about if Martinez beat Cotto. When Martinez was in his prime and was at 154, he wanted a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr to which Mayweather turned away from as Martinez was a very strong fighter and had a smart boxing brain. After not getting the big fights at 154, Martinez moved up to middleweight and that’s where he made a name for himself. If he continues to fight he could cause further damage to his injuries. At this stage he would likely get beat badly by a lower opposition fighter, and no one wants to see that. Even if his injuries aren’t the thing that’s causing him to perform so badly, he should hang the gloves up and call time on his great career.
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sergio martinez By Cameron Gillon: Former WBC, WBO and Ring middleweight champion Sergio Martinez career will be decided next week when he meets with a doctor to run tests on the injuries he has occurred over recent years.
Martinez is coming off a heavy loss to the new WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto where Martinez lost that title to Cotto, Martinez to me was a favorite and I gave Cotto no chance of winning this fight due to Cotto not ever fighting at 160 and Martinez still being good enough to beat Cotto.
That wasn’t the case as Cotto put Martinez down three times in the 1st round and then again in the 9th. The fight was stopped by Martinez’s trainer who could clearly see Martinez was not going to win on the scorecards and had nothing left to go for the knockout. Martinez’s legs couldn’t handle Cotto’s power shots and the only thing that kept Martinez was going was the heart he has.
I have to give Cotto credit for the win. Despite Martinez being well shot and a shell of his former self, he looked impressive and boxed smartly. When Cotto knocked Martinez down, he didn’t become reckless and bided his time in winning the fight and looked good in doing so compared to his recent performances.
Martinez has recently stated he would like to fight on with his career but for me its time for him to call time on his career. For such a late starter in the sport, he only started boxing at the age of 20 and what a career he has had. He won his first major title in 2003 when he defeated Richard Williams to win the IBO light middleweight title. In 2010, Martinez defeated the hard hitting Kelly Pavlik to win the Ring, Lineal, WBC and WBO middleweight titles and become the undisputed middleweight champion of the world. Martinez then went on to defend them titles against the likes of the great Paul Williams in a brutal knockout in their rematch, British fighters Matthew Macklin and Darren Barker and gave Mexican star Julio Cesar Chavez Jr his first loss in taking his WBC title back. That was the last fight Martinez really looked himself as the injuries he suffered happened in that fight. It was a brutal fight and one Martinez had to give the fight of his life to win.
Sergio Martinez will always be one of the best pound for pound fighters. To me. an uninjured and prime Sergio Martinez would be continuing to clear out the middleweight division today, including beating the highly rated power puncher Gennady Golovkin. That would of been a big fight and one we would of been talking about if Martinez beat Cotto. When Martinez was in his prime and was at 154, he wanted a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr to which Mayweather turned away from as Martinez was a very strong fighter and had a smart boxing brain. After not getting the big fights at 154, Martinez moved up to middleweight and that’s where he made a name for himself. If he continues to fight he could cause further damage to his injuries. At this stage he would likely get beat badly by a lower opposition fighter, and no one wants to see that. Even if his injuries aren’t the thing that’s causing him to perform so badly, he should hang the gloves up and call time on his great career.
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Who has Mayweather ducked really?
September 8th, 2014 | Post Comment - 113 Comments
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Mayweather Maidana 2 Mayweather vs. Maidana 2 marcos rene maidana floyd mayweather jr By Gav Duthie: Everyone has an opinion on why Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao have not yet fought. It would be ignorant of me to try and convince anyone either way who is to blame as most are on one side or another and that won’t change.
If you blame Mayweather that’s fine, no problem, what I don’t like is the throw away comments about him ducking this or cherry picking that. With the exception of Pacquiao is there anyone else he should have fought in the past but didn’t? I thought I would have a proper look back at his career and assess the situation.
1998
Top 5 P4P
1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jnr
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
Floyd Mayweather debuted in 1996 after winning the bronze medal medal in the Atlanta Olympics. I start at 1998 because this was the first year that Mayweather was recognised in the top ten p4p by ring magazine featuring at #8. He achieved this goal when he stopped the normally durable Angel Manfredy in only 2 rounds to win the WBC Super Featherweight title.
2001
Super featherweight 130 lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
2. Diego Corrales
3. Jong-kwon Baek
4. Robert Garcia
5. Lakva Sim
6. Yong Soo Choi
7. Jesus Chavez
8. Acelino Freitas
9. Derrick Gainer
10. Goyo Vargas
Mayweather stayed in the Super featherweight division for three years whilst he learned his craft. During this time his biggest fight was undoubtedly against the late giant Diego ‘Chico’ Corrales. Mayweather destroyed him over 10 rounds knocking him down 5 times on route to victory. Of this list he also beat Jesus Chavez and Goyo Vargas, another respectable win he had at 130lbs was against Carlos Hernandez where he controversially suffered the only knockdown of his career after a head butt.
Is there anyone else on this list that was a MUST fight. Not for me. Ironically you have Marcos Maidana’s trainer Robert Garcia in at number 4. Garcia was a decent boxer in his own right but even he would never have claimed to being able to beat Mayweather. Acelino Freitas was fairly dominant for a while after he beat Casamayor in 2002. A fight against Freitas or Casamayor would have been interesting but not box office.
2001 p4p
1. Shane Mosley
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jones Jnr
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Floyd Mayweather
After the Corrales win Floyd went into the top 5 pound for pound for the first time and apart from his brief retirement has been there ever since. I remember at the time he was linked to fights against #4 Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales but again they were not avoided as neither mexican fought at 130lbs until 2004.
2002
Lightweight 135 lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Jose Luis Castillo
3. Stevie Johnston
4. Paul Spadafora
5. Leonard Dorin
6. Juan Lazcano
7. Angel Manfredy
8. Acelino Freitas
9. Artur Grogorian
10. Victoriano Sosa
In 2002 Mayweather moved up to the lightweight division and challenged tough mexican champion Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight. This bout if any is the one fight where I thought Mayweather had lost. Castillo’s size and strength advantages were apparent and he managed to bully Floyd for much of the fight landing some big shots. In fairness to Floyd he could have avoided the rematch after such a tough fight but he gave Castillo the second chance. The next instalment was once again close but “Pretty Boy” Floyd got the nod.
From the Ring Magazine lightweight list of 2002 the obvious name that jumps out is Paul Spadafora. Spaddy was also a lightweight champion when he outpointed Angel Manfredy. He and Floyd were already seen as rivals after Spadafora’s dominant sparring session over him in 1999. Floyd didn’t really hang around at 130 for too long as the Jnr welterweight division was packed with talent and he clearly wanted to be involved in these fights. Floyd started to call out Arturo Gatti after he destroyed dangerous puncher Phillip Ndou.
2004
Light Welterweight
1. Kostya Tszyu IBF
2. Arturo Gatti WBC
3. Vivian Harris WBA
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Sharmba Mitchell
6. Miguel Cotto WBO
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Zab Judah
9. Lovemore N’dou
10. Jesse James Leija
I feel at this point Floyd was really coming into his stride. The light welterweight division was littered with talent and Floyd pursued many of the big fights. Of this top ten Floyd fought Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Zab Judah. In 2004 Kostya Tszyu was the main man at the weight but a fight between those two would have been on the Russian’s terms and he lost and retired after his fight with Ricky Hatton in 2005 which made the opportunity for this fight limited to a short space of time.
2007
Welterweight 147lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Shane Mosley
5. Antonio Margarito
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermot Cintron
8. Luis Collazo
9. Joshua Clottey
10. Oktay Urkal
After Zab Judah’s stunning knockout victory in a rematch against Cory Spinks there was a big call for a fight between him and Floyd Mayweather. Unfortunately a certain Carlos Baldomir hadn’t read the script and beat Judah in what was considered no more than a warm up fight. Floyd did the only thing he could do in my opinion which was to keep his obligation to fight Judah and then fight Carlos Baldomir. There were probably a few other fights at 147 he could have taken like Margarito or Paul Williams but he understandably took a bigger challenge in moving up to 154lbs to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather won a close controversial split decision and then went back down to Welterweight for another career defining fight against Ricky Hatton 43-0. After his tenth round stoppage win he retired and for me there was no real fights that he hadn’t taken at this stage.
2010
Welterweight 147lbs
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Andre Berto
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Shane Mosley
6. Joshua Clottey
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Vyacheslav Senchenko
9. Rafal Jackiewicz
10. Tim Bradley
During Mayweather’s 2 year hiatus from 2007-2009 the baton was firmly passed on to Pacquaio. He won a second fight with Barrera and a split decision rematch against nemesis Juan Manuel Marquez. In 2008 he bettered both of Mayweather’s performances with an 8 round dismantling of De La Hoya followed by a destructive second round knock out over Ricky Hatton. Mayweather then came back in 09 getting one back after he dominated Marquez over 12 rounds something Pacquiao has never been able to do. Then we all thought that it was primed for the two to meet in the ring. That clearly didn’t happen and as I said before this article isn’t about that its about Mayweather in general and if he ducks big fights.
Again on this list from 2010 some have drifted into obscurity (Zaveck, Jackiewicz) some have went backwards (Berto) and some have improved (Bradley). Again of this list probably Tim Bradley is the only fight that could have happened but we know this was impossible due to Floyd’s relationship with Bob Arum. He followed the Marquez win with Shane Mosley after he had beaten Margarito.
Today
Welterweight 147
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Tim Bradley
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Marcos Maidana
6. Kell Brook
7. Keith Thurman
8. Shawn Porter
9. Devon Alexander
10. Amir Khan
Light Middleweight 154lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Saul Alvarez
3. Erislandy Lara
4. Carlos Molina
5. Demetrius Andrade
Floyd has drifted between 147 and 154 over the last few years at a very advanced age to try and get the biggest fights. He beat Ortiz and then Guerrero after wins against Andre Berto and facing Canelo was a big risk considering the size difference.
If you learn anything from these rankings it is that they change so quickly with flash in the pan fighters and overhyped prospects but Mayweather always remains. There is always someone else to fight but not all of them can happen. Some might say Mayweather should fight Keith Thurman next, UK fans might say he should fight Brook or Khan, or maybe Danny Garcia deserves a chance, perhaps he should move up and fight Andrade or Kirkland. There are some that even say he should fight Golovkin but how do we know where these guys will be in another two years and he cannot fight them all. I wasn’t convinced by Maidana as an opponent but his win against Broner put him in that position.
Conclusion
Perhaps Mayweather these days does look at fights with dollar signs first but nobody can truly say he doesn’t still fight quality opponents. Trying to remain as neutral as possible summarizing his career I don’t think he has really ducked anyone. Besides the Pacquiao situation, where I’m not sure who to blame, he has fought at a great level his whole career. Yes there are other fights that perhaps should have happened but did he duck them.
Potential fights
Spadafora (2000)
Freitas (2002)
Tszyu (2004)
Pacquiao (2010)
Bradley (2013)
Still you could go through any fighters resume with a fine tooth comb even Mohammed Ali, Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson and find fights that could have happened but didn’t. If the Pacquiao fight never happens that will always be a blight on his record but as for the rest of it hats off to an amazing career so far.
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Mayweather Maidana 2 Mayweather vs. Maidana 2 marcos rene maidana floyd mayweather jr By Gav Duthie: Everyone has an opinion on why Floyd Mayweather Jr and Manny Pacquiao have not yet fought. It would be ignorant of me to try and convince anyone either way who is to blame as most are on one side or another and that won’t change.
If you blame Mayweather that’s fine, no problem, what I don’t like is the throw away comments about him ducking this or cherry picking that. With the exception of Pacquiao is there anyone else he should have fought in the past but didn’t? I thought I would have a proper look back at his career and assess the situation.
1998
Top 5 P4P
1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jnr
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
Floyd Mayweather debuted in 1996 after winning the bronze medal medal in the Atlanta Olympics. I start at 1998 because this was the first year that Mayweather was recognised in the top ten p4p by ring magazine featuring at #8. He achieved this goal when he stopped the normally durable Angel Manfredy in only 2 rounds to win the WBC Super Featherweight title.
2001
Super featherweight 130 lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
2. Diego Corrales
3. Jong-kwon Baek
4. Robert Garcia
5. Lakva Sim
6. Yong Soo Choi
7. Jesus Chavez
8. Acelino Freitas
9. Derrick Gainer
10. Goyo Vargas
Mayweather stayed in the Super featherweight division for three years whilst he learned his craft. During this time his biggest fight was undoubtedly against the late giant Diego ‘Chico’ Corrales. Mayweather destroyed him over 10 rounds knocking him down 5 times on route to victory. Of this list he also beat Jesus Chavez and Goyo Vargas, another respectable win he had at 130lbs was against Carlos Hernandez where he controversially suffered the only knockdown of his career after a head butt.
Is there anyone else on this list that was a MUST fight. Not for me. Ironically you have Marcos Maidana’s trainer Robert Garcia in at number 4. Garcia was a decent boxer in his own right but even he would never have claimed to being able to beat Mayweather. Acelino Freitas was fairly dominant for a while after he beat Casamayor in 2002. A fight against Freitas or Casamayor would have been interesting but not box office.
2001 p4p
1. Shane Mosley
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jones Jnr
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Floyd Mayweather
After the Corrales win Floyd went into the top 5 pound for pound for the first time and apart from his brief retirement has been there ever since. I remember at the time he was linked to fights against #4 Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales but again they were not avoided as neither mexican fought at 130lbs until 2004.
2002
Lightweight 135 lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Jose Luis Castillo
3. Stevie Johnston
4. Paul Spadafora
5. Leonard Dorin
6. Juan Lazcano
7. Angel Manfredy
8. Acelino Freitas
9. Artur Grogorian
10. Victoriano Sosa
In 2002 Mayweather moved up to the lightweight division and challenged tough mexican champion Jose Luis Castillo in his first fight. This bout if any is the one fight where I thought Mayweather had lost. Castillo’s size and strength advantages were apparent and he managed to bully Floyd for much of the fight landing some big shots. In fairness to Floyd he could have avoided the rematch after such a tough fight but he gave Castillo the second chance. The next instalment was once again close but “Pretty Boy” Floyd got the nod.
From the Ring Magazine lightweight list of 2002 the obvious name that jumps out is Paul Spadafora. Spaddy was also a lightweight champion when he outpointed Angel Manfredy. He and Floyd were already seen as rivals after Spadafora’s dominant sparring session over him in 1999. Floyd didn’t really hang around at 130 for too long as the Jnr welterweight division was packed with talent and he clearly wanted to be involved in these fights. Floyd started to call out Arturo Gatti after he destroyed dangerous puncher Phillip Ndou.
2004
Light Welterweight
1. Kostya Tszyu IBF
2. Arturo Gatti WBC
3. Vivian Harris WBA
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Sharmba Mitchell
6. Miguel Cotto WBO
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Zab Judah
9. Lovemore N’dou
10. Jesse James Leija
I feel at this point Floyd was really coming into his stride. The light welterweight division was littered with talent and Floyd pursued many of the big fights. Of this top ten Floyd fought Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Zab Judah. In 2004 Kostya Tszyu was the main man at the weight but a fight between those two would have been on the Russian’s terms and he lost and retired after his fight with Ricky Hatton in 2005 which made the opportunity for this fight limited to a short space of time.
2007
Welterweight 147lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Paul Williams
4. Shane Mosley
5. Antonio Margarito
6. Zab Judah
7. Kermot Cintron
8. Luis Collazo
9. Joshua Clottey
10. Oktay Urkal
After Zab Judah’s stunning knockout victory in a rematch against Cory Spinks there was a big call for a fight between him and Floyd Mayweather. Unfortunately a certain Carlos Baldomir hadn’t read the script and beat Judah in what was considered no more than a warm up fight. Floyd did the only thing he could do in my opinion which was to keep his obligation to fight Judah and then fight Carlos Baldomir. There were probably a few other fights at 147 he could have taken like Margarito or Paul Williams but he understandably took a bigger challenge in moving up to 154lbs to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Mayweather won a close controversial split decision and then went back down to Welterweight for another career defining fight against Ricky Hatton 43-0. After his tenth round stoppage win he retired and for me there was no real fights that he hadn’t taken at this stage.
2010
Welterweight 147lbs
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Andre Berto
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Shane Mosley
6. Joshua Clottey
7. Jan Zaveck
8. Vyacheslav Senchenko
9. Rafal Jackiewicz
10. Tim Bradley
During Mayweather’s 2 year hiatus from 2007-2009 the baton was firmly passed on to Pacquaio. He won a second fight with Barrera and a split decision rematch against nemesis Juan Manuel Marquez. In 2008 he bettered both of Mayweather’s performances with an 8 round dismantling of De La Hoya followed by a destructive second round knock out over Ricky Hatton. Mayweather then came back in 09 getting one back after he dominated Marquez over 12 rounds something Pacquiao has never been able to do. Then we all thought that it was primed for the two to meet in the ring. That clearly didn’t happen and as I said before this article isn’t about that its about Mayweather in general and if he ducks big fights.
Again on this list from 2010 some have drifted into obscurity (Zaveck, Jackiewicz) some have went backwards (Berto) and some have improved (Bradley). Again of this list probably Tim Bradley is the only fight that could have happened but we know this was impossible due to Floyd’s relationship with Bob Arum. He followed the Marquez win with Shane Mosley after he had beaten Margarito.
Today
Welterweight 147
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Tim Bradley
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Marcos Maidana
6. Kell Brook
7. Keith Thurman
8. Shawn Porter
9. Devon Alexander
10. Amir Khan
Light Middleweight 154lbs
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Saul Alvarez
3. Erislandy Lara
4. Carlos Molina
5. Demetrius Andrade
Floyd has drifted between 147 and 154 over the last few years at a very advanced age to try and get the biggest fights. He beat Ortiz and then Guerrero after wins against Andre Berto and facing Canelo was a big risk considering the size difference.
If you learn anything from these rankings it is that they change so quickly with flash in the pan fighters and overhyped prospects but Mayweather always remains. There is always someone else to fight but not all of them can happen. Some might say Mayweather should fight Keith Thurman next, UK fans might say he should fight Brook or Khan, or maybe Danny Garcia deserves a chance, perhaps he should move up and fight Andrade or Kirkland. There are some that even say he should fight Golovkin but how do we know where these guys will be in another two years and he cannot fight them all. I wasn’t convinced by Maidana as an opponent but his win against Broner put him in that position.
Conclusion
Perhaps Mayweather these days does look at fights with dollar signs first but nobody can truly say he doesn’t still fight quality opponents. Trying to remain as neutral as possible summarizing his career I don’t think he has really ducked anyone. Besides the Pacquiao situation, where I’m not sure who to blame, he has fought at a great level his whole career. Yes there are other fights that perhaps should have happened but did he duck them.
Potential fights
Spadafora (2000)
Freitas (2002)
Tszyu (2004)
Pacquiao (2010)
Bradley (2013)
Still you could go through any fighters resume with a fine tooth comb even Mohammed Ali, Ray Leonard and Ray Robinson and find fights that could have happened but didn’t. If the Pacquiao fight never happens that will always be a blight on his record but as for the rest of it hats off to an amazing career so far.
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Some news and rumors"
- Amir Khan-Josesito Lopez in Play For December 6th (weak ass fight. Khan obviously playing it safe because he thinks he's going to get Mayweather or Pacquiao next year).
-Saunders vs Korobov WBO Title Bout in Play For Nov. 22nd. Peter Quillins title he was stripped of for not fighting his mandatory in Korobov.
-If Adonis Stevenson does not announce a voluntary title defense by September 19th the WBC will order him to fight his mandatory, Jean Pascal. Hopefully Roc Nation wins the purse bif just to fuck with Al Haymon.
- Amir Khan-Josesito Lopez in Play For December 6th (weak ass fight. Khan obviously playing it safe because he thinks he's going to get Mayweather or Pacquiao next year).
-Saunders vs Korobov WBO Title Bout in Play For Nov. 22nd. Peter Quillins title he was stripped of for not fighting his mandatory in Korobov.
-If Adonis Stevenson does not announce a voluntary title defense by September 19th the WBC will order him to fight his mandatory, Jean Pascal. Hopefully Roc Nation wins the purse bif just to fuck with Al Haymon.
That's a solid fight on paper. Love him or hate him, Broner is a dude you'd love to see against a bunch of guys. Not often you get a fighter like that.
I wanna see Broner vs. Garcia, Matthysse, Provodnikov, Rios, Bradley, Pacquiao, Algieri, Crawford, and Gamboa @ 140 if Rios and Bradley could make the weight
I wanna see Broner vs. Garcia, Matthysse, Provodnikov, Rios, Bradley, Pacquiao, Algieri, Crawford, and Gamboa @ 140 if Rios and Bradley could make the weight
I think I'm done marveling at Floyd's skills, mainly because they are mismatches on paper over the last several years. I was beyond impressed with the way he handled Canelo, that was great. It was great to see him dig deep against Cotto and Maidana. But the DLH fight was among the worst I've ever seen. The Guerrero fight was atrocious, as was Marquez. I understand what it means to be a boxer in terms of boxing/punching in the ring and all that, but there's a point that he's crossed a lot of times since moving up to 147 and beyond that he's far too content to just win on points. He's a masterful technician, but I'm bored with the circle, punch once, clinch or move again. I don't want to watch 5 rounds to maybe see one flashy thing out of him against a fighter he's been outclassing for 5 rounds straight.
Yeah he's had a few stinkers over the years and lately he rarely puts any kind of combinations together, usually just ones and two's. Still, I enjoy watching his abilities in the ring. I'm not too thrilled with the Maidana rematch. I thought it was a huge mismatch the first fight but somehow Maidana's pressure won him about 5 rounds against a Mayweather that didn't use his feet much. This time I suspect Floyd will move a lot more around the ring and win a wider, less entertaining decision. But I do wonder how much age is affecting him, I think he's slowing down a bit, maybe he sees it to as he said Sept 2015 will be his last fight.
Looks like Boo Boo is jumping to 160 ,put in a request for the WBO vacant title and got ot. Good, more talent at 160 hope he wins would love to see him and GGG throw down
WBO orders Andrade vs. Korobov for vacant title at 160
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by David P. Greisman
It wasn’t going to be Peter Quillin vs. Matvey Korobov, not after Quillin dropped his World Boxing Organization title rather than get paid $1.4 million to defend against his mandatory challenger, Korobov.
And it’s not going to be Korobov vs. Billy Joe Saunders for the now-vacant belt.
Rather, it’ll be Korobov vs. the WBO’s 154-pound titleholder, Demetrius Andrade.
That’s what the WBO announced on Wednesday.
The WBO said it had received petitions from both Saunders and Andrade for the right to fight for the title. Korobov, meanwhile, was “deserving of an opportunity” to compete for the belt due to his June win over Jose Uzcategui in an elimination bout.*********
As for Andrade?
“Although there is no fixed norm to allow our WBO Champions moving up in weight to vie for titles in the next weight division, there are examples of this precedent," the WBO said, citing Ivan Calderon, Miguel Cotto, Donnie Nietes, Ricky Burns, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Mikey Garcia.
“Having manifested a clear desire to move up in weight and considering his status as our current WBO junior middleweight champion, Demetrius Andrade has made a more compelling case than Billy Joe Saunders to compete" for the vacant belt.
Saunders essentially also has a weak résumé, the WBO said.
“Saunders has not faced a WBO top 15-ranked opponent as of yet, and his position as WBO #2 ranked contender is primarily due to the fact that others like Daniel Jacobs have decided not to fight for the WBO title. Even in the case where a fighter ascends to the #1 position in the WBO ranking, this fighter is not automatically considered a mandatory challenger. To be considered as such, a fighter must meet the standard of having defeated WBO classified competition.”
The WBO has given Korobov’s and Andrade’s teams 15 days to reach an agreement or else the bout will go to a purse bid.
WBO orders Andrade vs. Korobov for vacant title at 160
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by David P. Greisman
It wasn’t going to be Peter Quillin vs. Matvey Korobov, not after Quillin dropped his World Boxing Organization title rather than get paid $1.4 million to defend against his mandatory challenger, Korobov.
And it’s not going to be Korobov vs. Billy Joe Saunders for the now-vacant belt.
Rather, it’ll be Korobov vs. the WBO’s 154-pound titleholder, Demetrius Andrade.
That’s what the WBO announced on Wednesday.
The WBO said it had received petitions from both Saunders and Andrade for the right to fight for the title. Korobov, meanwhile, was “deserving of an opportunity” to compete for the belt due to his June win over Jose Uzcategui in an elimination bout.*********
As for Andrade?
“Although there is no fixed norm to allow our WBO Champions moving up in weight to vie for titles in the next weight division, there are examples of this precedent," the WBO said, citing Ivan Calderon, Miguel Cotto, Donnie Nietes, Ricky Burns, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Mikey Garcia.
“Having manifested a clear desire to move up in weight and considering his status as our current WBO junior middleweight champion, Demetrius Andrade has made a more compelling case than Billy Joe Saunders to compete" for the vacant belt.
Saunders essentially also has a weak résumé, the WBO said.
“Saunders has not faced a WBO top 15-ranked opponent as of yet, and his position as WBO #2 ranked contender is primarily due to the fact that others like Daniel Jacobs have decided not to fight for the WBO title. Even in the case where a fighter ascends to the #1 position in the WBO ranking, this fighter is not automatically considered a mandatory challenger. To be considered as such, a fighter must meet the standard of having defeated WBO classified competition.”
The WBO has given Korobov’s and Andrade’s teams 15 days to reach an agreement or else the bout will go to a purse bid.
I think the biggest thing is, he wants to make it to 49-0 and call it quits while making another 100-200 million in the process. I'm suspecting he tries to make the Khan fight in England and maybe Pacquiao and call it a day. I never thought I'd say that but who else is there? Garcia won't sell 700k buys I don't think. He's not gonna fight Thurman, Brook, or Bradley. Maybe a Cotto rematch in NY?
The Khan, Cotto, or Pacquiao fights are the safest bet that are somehow the least likely to happen too. I could see Mayweather fighting Cotto in Vegas, but not NY. All 3 of those fights require something of Floyd that seems impossible: Leaving LV, leaving the country, or finally fighting Pacquiao. So who the heck knows man? I'm not losing any sleep over it.
The Khan, Cotto, or Pacquiao fights are the safest bet that are somehow the least likely to happen too. I could see Mayweather fighting Cotto in Vegas, but not NY. All 3 of those fights require something of Floyd that seems impossible: Leaving LV, leaving the country, or finally fighting Pacquiao. So who the heck knows man? I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Andrade Vs. Korobov is a great fight. Side note, I can't for the life of me call that man Boo Boo. Just can't do it.
I'd like to Saunders get the winner of Andrade Vs. Korobov. WBO could have given the shot to Andrade without slamming Saunders, who has a much better resume than a lot of people getting title shots these days.
I'd like to Saunders get the winner of Andrade Vs. Korobov. WBO could have given the shot to Andrade without slamming Saunders, who has a much better resume than a lot of people getting title shots these days.