Russia mocks US: The only thing interesting about the US is 2pac

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Should be obvious regarding China being how much in debt the US is in to China. I mean, it's only about $20 trillion right?
Nope, that number is incorrect by a long shot and btw the US is more in debt to the "Federal Reserve" than any "country." China's government (like most fiat money countries' governments in the world) itself is in debt as well, the only difference is their debt to GDP ratio is less- which does work in their favor, but nonetheless does not erase their debt. As of June 2013 the Chinese government's debt was more than $17.9TRILLION, which was a $16TRILLION increase over 3 years. If we include the debt of Chinese financial institutions, non-financial businesses and households, China's total debt in 2012 alone was more than $116TRILLION, more than twice their GDP.

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Why do we always have to stick our noses in shit that isn't really our business? sometimes you just gotta let other countries handle their biz without interfering.
Because the US started this entire mess by funding and backing the extreme right wing parties in Ukraine. The central responsibility for military escalation rests with the US and Germany, along with EU allies, who systematically intervened to uproar popular dissatisfaction with the corrupt regime of Yanukovych behind ultra-right nationalist and fascist organizations. Their goal has always been to topple the elected government and install a Pro west regime.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel met with leaders of the right-wing opposition. Her party, the Christian Democratic Union, financially supported the Udar party of former boxer Vitali Klitschko. Top European Union officials marched with the Svoboda party fascists and Right Sector armed gangs in Kiev’s central square.

US Undersecretary of State for Europe and Asia Victoria Nuland made at least four trips to Kiev, joining the neo-fascist “protesters” and meeting with opposition figures Klitschko, Arseny Yatsenyuk and the notoriously anti-Semitic Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok. She acknowledged in December that the US had poured $5 billion into Ukraine since the 1990s to build up US proxy forces in the country.

Nuland’s leaked telephone conversation with Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, in which they discussed installing Yatsenyuk after toppling Yanukovich, exposed the degree to which Washington was manipulating events in the country.

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The coup in Ukraine represents a major milestone in this campaign. Effective US control of Ukraine opens up the possibility of US or US-linked troops being stationed directly on Russia’s western border. It threatens Russia’s Black Sea fleet in Crimea, which is Moscow’s only water route into the Eastern Mediterranean, the Balkans and the Middle East. It will be used as well to push Georgia into NATO and fuel separatist and secessionist agitation by a wide variety of ethnic and religious minorities within Russia.​

The US violated the sovereignty of a country by doing this, so when the question of what Russia has done in response - sending troops to Crimea to protect it's interests and Russian ethnic Russian populations, it's very important to undeterstand the role the west has been playing. It is the west that bears central responsibility to military escalation. Russia's intervention was an inevitable outcome of the reckless game the US and EU have been playing by supporting the extreme right wing parties. This is the US's attempt of an overall policy to destabilize Russia, as they attempted in Syria as well.
 
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Nope, that number is incorrect by a long shot and btw the US is more in debt to the "Federal Reserve" than any "country." China's government (like most fiat money countries' governments in the world) itself is in debt as well, the only difference is their debt to GDP ratio is less- which does work in their favor, but nonetheless does not erase their debt. As of June 2013 the Chinese government's debt was more than $17.9TRILLION, which was a $16TRILLION increase over 3 years. If we include the debt of Chinese financial institutions, non-financial businesses and households, China's total debt in 2012 alone was more than $116TRILLION, more than twice their GDP.

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Uhhh obviously I was exaggerating/being sarcastic with $20 trillion, in total China owns about 9% or so of publicly held US dept.

Yes, China has their own massive dept issues as well which of course is more of a reason why the "what if" war game is pointless.
 
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Uhhh obviously I was exaggerating/being sarcastic with $20 trillion, in total China owns about 9% or so of publicly held US dept.

Yes, China has their own massive dept issues as well which of course is more of a reason why the "what if" war game is pointless.
To an extent I agree with you breh, I mean the elitists are all pretty much homies, its our friends and families that are the cannon fodder for the enslaving and money making wars. At the end of the day though, this is the country I live in and I will support our soldiers, over any foreign troop, any way I can, even if they are part of an unjust operation or war. Similar to them, I too took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I will carry that oath until I die.
 
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To an extent I agree with you breh, I mean the elitists are all pretty much homies, its our friends and families that are the cannon fodder for the enslaving and money making wars. At the end of the day though, this is the country I live in and I will support our soldiers, over any foreign troop, any way I can, even if they are part of an unjust operation or war. Similar to them, I too took an oath to support and defend the constitution, and I will carry that oath until I die.
I support our troops by being anti war. Blindly supporting the US in whatever bullshit imperialist war is actually anti troops, anti american. If you support the troops, you want them home where they belong.

btw this has nothing to do with our constitution.
 

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I support our troops by being anti war. Blindly supporting the US in whatever bullshit imperialist war is actually anti troops, anti american. If you support the troops, you want them home where they belong.

btw this has nothing to do with our constitution.
I cannot agree with you there. You might want to keep in mind, the US military is all volunteer. No one forced them into it. When they signed the paperwork, they agreed to follow orders and that, however unfortunate it may be in your mind, is reality. These men and women have committed to the most unselfish act. I didn't agree with either Iraq invasion and I feel horrible that many innocent Iraqi men women and children died, but I have the utmost respect for our soldiers who were there and consider quite a few my friends- and at the end of the day many of them would do it again and I don't have an ill thing to say about any of them. Funny, you live in a country where you can say the things you do because of these great men and women, while in many other countries you would be erased for it- gotta luv privilege eh?

BTW Russia is an enemy and an enemy to our constitution as well, so I also have to disagree with you there. I am not against us having a controlling interest in that region. I am however against the US doing whatever Britain wants and despise them but I don't make the decisions.
 
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I cannot agree with you there. You might want to keep in mind, the US military is all volunteer. No one forced them into it. When they signed the paperwork, they agreed to follow orders and that, however unfortunate it may be in your mind, is reality. These men and women have committed to the most unselfish act. I didn't agree with either Iraq invasion and I feel horrible that many innocent Iraqi men women and children died, but I have the utmost respect for our soldiers who were there and consider quite a few my friends- and at the end of the day many of them would do it again and I don't have an ill thing to say about any of them.
Most people don't join the military to go to war they do so for countless other reasons (education, career, to get out of bum fuck USA, etc).

Funny, you live in a country where you can say the things you do because of these great men and women, while in many other countries you would be erased for it- gotta luv privilege eh?
The great men and women we owe thanks to are our founding fathers and the revolutionaries, not those that invade third world countries for imperialist gains. The last war that the US was involved in that actually mattered to the US was WWII.



BTW Russia is an enemy and an enemy to our constitution as well, so I also have to disagree with you there. I am not against us having a controlling interest in that region. I am however against the US doing whatever Britain wants and despise them but I don't make the decisions.
Russia has been an ally for years what are you talking about? The "enemy" Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, comrade. How is Russia an enemy to our constitution, that doesn't even make any sense.

You have some weird idea that Britain controls the US when it's more of the opposite.
 
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But Russia did do a god damn thing lol they sent troops into Ukraine and in Crimea. I don't see what the problem is here the people of Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join the Russian federation. Of course the hypocrisy is the US supported Kosovo when they voted to separate from Serbia. The US said Kosovo's secession was legitimate, but say Crimea's vote is illegitimate. Hypocritical. The people of Crimea simply don't want to be ruled by the neo nazi's in Kiev. Understandable.
The point I was trying to make is, while you're saying that we can't do a thing about Russia doing what they want...they can't do anything either about the U.S doing what they want as well.
 
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The point I was trying to make is, while you're saying that we can't do a thing about Russia doing what they want...they can't do anything either about the U.S doing what they want as well.
Well there's checks and balances. Give and take. Obviously the US doesn't want Crimea to be part of Russia, but the US can't do anything about it. Maybe Russia would like to take it a step further and have eastern/southern Ukraine become part of Russia too, but that would be too much.
 

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They got decimated at Leningrad and despite the Stalingrad victory they suffered more casualties than Germany. They also suffered more casualties than anyone else in ww2. And communism's influence is half of what it was back then.

So what makes you think this?

The only one thing I know for a fact is they have air superiority since their suhkoi jets are about 100x better than f35s. The same plane the military industrial complex (lockheed martin in this case) is pumping out and being bought by politicians who receive kickbacks (in Canada too -_-). War games proved f35s to be "double inferior" to Russian jets yet politicians want more!
That's one of the advantages of not having the "free market" determine the outcome of you military R&D - the Russians have a long tradition of producing not-so-advanced technologically but superior in their performance on the battlefield products (superior precisely because of their simplicity). And the aerodynamics of their planes has been better for decades, it did not just start with the F-35.

Arthur Clarke's Superiority used to be required reading at MIT back in the days. But not anymore and it's a safe bet that the people in charge of decision making in the US industrial military complex either never read it or never learned the lesson.