I said it was a good win/performance for Cotto and that Rodriguez was a good/decent opponent. I never said he was world class!
Props:
battle619 and battle619
Miguel Cotto vs Sergio Martinez [June 7th]
- Thread starter 2-0-Sixx
- Start date
@2-0-Sixx
Although I do understand the whole "styles make fights" argument, Cotto nowhere near applied the pressure to Trout like he did with Mayweather or Margarito or anyone else for that matter. He was just standing by the ropes or corner and trying to dodge shit. Vs Rodriguez he applied pressure and finished a fighter Trout couldn't. Cotto was just being too technical in that fight but like I said he has regrouped with Roach so let's see what happens.
Cotto is the one challenging Martinez, is he not? In life, you can't say "I CHALLENGE YOU...! if you meet all my conditions for the way we fight..."
I don't like Cotto at all, but I strive to be as objective as possible regarding any fight or match up. I call it like I see it. I think Martinez and Cotto are both a couple of joto's but I've never been a fan of Cotto.
Also, anyone remember how this fight really even came into play? A few years ago, Martinez saw Cotto at a fight and went up to shake his hand and Cotto dissed him and walked off. They've had bad blood ever since. Martinez has wanted this fight since that day.
I don't like Cotto at all, but I strive to be as objective as possible regarding any fight or match up. I call it like I see it. I think Martinez and Cotto are both a couple of joto's but I've never been a fan of Cotto.
Also, anyone remember how this fight really even came into play? A few years ago, Martinez saw Cotto at a fight and went up to shake his hand and Cotto dissed him and walked off. They've had bad blood ever since. Martinez has wanted this fight since that day.
Props:
battle619 and battle619
Floyd did use movement vs Cotto, but Cotto's "style" allowed him to contain Floyd. Pedro Diaz trained Cotto to not only apply pressure, but at any cost. Watch the fight again and he literally rushes Floyd to the corners and even pushes him to the corners. Cotto is a natural lefty but stands like he's right handed keeps throwing his left with power and hence he made Floyds nose bleed. But the amount of pressure he applied was so much work for Cotto he did get tired and couldn't make the comeback. The same can happen and probably will happen in this fight but Cotto will not go off on a late start like he did with Floyd. Cotto will win enough rounds early to win the fight
WTF? You actually believe this shit? Cotto's "style" didn't allow him to contain Floyd. There was a lack of movement on Floyd's part and he stayed in the pocket. Why was there a lack of movement? Floyd explained it. Why do you think Floyd switched up trainers? Because he was being hit with too many punches in that fight. What has happened since? Exactly.
Stop overhyping Cotto. The man fought a guy who wasn't even ranked in the top 10. A guy who wasn't in the top 15. A guy who barely made the top 20 cut that nobody even knew existed, not even his own momma knew he existed, yet all of a sudden he is back and gets a shot.
Incredible.
Stop overhyping Cotto. The man fought a guy who wasn't even ranked in the top 10. A guy who wasn't in the top 15. A guy who barely made the top 20 cut that nobody even knew existed, not even his own momma knew he existed, yet all of a sudden he is back and gets a shot.
Incredible.
Im not over hyping Cotto at all. I'm saying exactly what happened. And just cuz Floyd says it doesn't mean nothing cuz you know how that goes. Floyd didn't switch trainers either he just added his dad again. All I"m saying is this is a close enough fight that the judges will give it to Cotto. Everyone here laughed at me when I said don't be surprised if the Floyd Canelo fight would be a draw cuz of the corruption being involved and there was a judge that gave it a draw. Don't have selective reading here you guys
The problem is what you're saying happened is not what happened. There was no movement from Floyd in that fight. Here, watch it again and let us know where this movement is because he is in the pocket for the entire fight.
Mayweather vs. Cotto - Full Fight Video (12 Rounds) on Vimeo
And Floyd didn't switch trainers he just added his dad? LMAO. So Floyd saying, "I switched trainers" doesn't mean he switched trainers? ROFL.
And who has selective reading? Selective reading would be if you said some shit now that people aren't paying attention to not some shit you said 6 months ago.
And who was the judge that scored the Canelo fight a draw? CJ Ross. But what does any of this have to do with you saying Cotto's style is what made the fight problematic for Floyd? What does the fight being close and giving it to Coto have to do with corruption? WTF are you talking about?
Mayweather vs. Cotto - Full Fight Video (12 Rounds) on Vimeo
And Floyd didn't switch trainers he just added his dad? LMAO. So Floyd saying, "I switched trainers" doesn't mean he switched trainers? ROFL.
And who has selective reading? Selective reading would be if you said some shit now that people aren't paying attention to not some shit you said 6 months ago.
And who was the judge that scored the Canelo fight a draw? CJ Ross. But what does any of this have to do with you saying Cotto's style is what made the fight problematic for Floyd? What does the fight being close and giving it to Coto have to do with corruption? WTF are you talking about?
Props:
CZAR and CZAR
Martinez vs Cotto is essentially a cherry pick for Martinez, since he has real killers in his own division he needs to fight. But it's a damn big money fight so I get that. It's a business. He just better stay true to his word and fight Golovkin after Cotto (Martinez said he would so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt).
It is a cherry pick and I do want him to fight GGG. I understand it's a money fight and know each of these guys, cab drivers and tomato cans included, risk their lives everytime they step in the ring. Yeah it's prize fighting but at the end of the day, in order to have those big paydays, you need the credible opponents. Tyson said it best when he talked about fighters needing each other, but the sport has gotten so far away from that. Too many divisions, too many belts, no governing body over the enitre sport, no standard testing, people ducking their mandatories and networks behaving as if they're gods. This is boxing.
Props:
2-0-Sixx and 2-0-Sixx
@HERESY
I hate seeing the fight cuz fuck Cotto could have won! Round 1: never in the middle of the ring, Floyd fighting in the outside. Round 2: Cotto finishes the last minute by having Floyd on the corner and ropes. Round 4: Floyd is everywhere touching each corner every 5 seconds it seems like plus his nose starts bleeding. Round 5: Cotto has him on the corner for most of the round. This is the round I hate watching the most cuz although Floyd uses his elbow a lot, he literally throws elbows while he is in the corner to stop Cotto and fucks up Cotto's face. Most of Floyds offense did come while he was in the middle of the ring but he did move a lot. He was never really inside cuz I can't recall Floyd doing what he did to Canelo happen in the fight vs Cotto. Floyds packs not much power according to his opponents, but the judges don't know that and Cotto allowed Floyd to just let go whenever he had the chance. But most of the fight Floyd is touching each corner every 5 seconds but to say Floyd stayed in the pocket is funny to me.
@HERESY
I hate seeing the fight cuz fuck Cotto could have won! Round 1: never in the middle of the ring, Floyd fighting in the outside. Round 2: Cotto finishes the last minute by having Floyd on the corner and ropes. Round 4: Floyd is everywhere touching each corner every 5 seconds it seems like plus his nose starts bleeding. Round 5: Cotto has him on the corner for most of the round. This is the round I hate watching the most cuz although Floyd uses his elbow a lot, he literally throws elbows while he is in the corner to stop Cotto and fucks up Cotto's face. Most of Floyds offense did come while he was in the middle of the ring but he did move a lot. He was never really inside cuz I can't recall Floyd doing what he did to Canelo happen in the fight vs Cotto. Floyds packs not much power according to his opponents, but the judges don't know that and Cotto allowed Floyd to just let go whenever he had the chance. But most of the fight Floyd is touching each corner every 5 seconds but to say Floyd stayed in the pocket is funny to me.
So everything you're talking about is meaningless because you don't even know the terms being used. Floyd was inside the entire fuckin fight and for you to deny that and say he was using footwork, and that Cotto gave him problems because of the style Cotto brings is insane.
Last edited:
Cotto isn't a junior middleweight first off. He's just too old to make welterweight.
This plays into Martinez's hand. Martinez shouldn't go down this fight b/c he's fighting someone smaller. I think Cotto's cuts get opened up and Martinez peppers him all night. Cotto brings back his bouncy backpedal and Roach gets mad.
Only way it doesn't play out like that is if Martinez has aged somethin serious considering the surgeries and fighting bigger men the last 5 years or so
This plays into Martinez's hand. Martinez shouldn't go down this fight b/c he's fighting someone smaller. I think Cotto's cuts get opened up and Martinez peppers him all night. Cotto brings back his bouncy backpedal and Roach gets mad.
Only way it doesn't play out like that is if Martinez has aged somethin serious considering the surgeries and fighting bigger men the last 5 years or so
Props:
2-0-Sixx and 2-0-Sixx
@HERESY
so fighting back is staying in the pocket?
You really don't know shit about boxing.
Watch this vid. It is of Aaron Pryor, one of the best to ever lace them up. In this vid the narrator explains it and it is the same thing I said.
Pryor, Fighting In The Pocket - YouTube
See above.
You aren't making any sense.
@HERESY
Thank you for proving me right again with this video. The narrator started off by saying Pryor was fighting inside the pocket when that latino fool against the ropes. Fast forward to 5:40 seconds and when Pryor was against the ropes what did the narrator call it? "Inside fighting"! I wanted to see if this clip was going to show Pryor against the ropes and what homie would say about it and yep, he said Pryor was no longer fighting inside the pocket. I hope you go tell the narrator he was wrong
Last edited:
@HERESY
Thank you for proving me right again with this video. The narrator started off by saying Pryor was fighting inside the pocket when that latino fool against the ropes. Fast forward to 5:40 seconds and when Pryor was against the ropes what did the narrator call it? "Inside fighting"! I wanted to see if this clip was going to show Pryor against the ropes and what homie would say about it and yep, he said Pryor was no longer fighting inside the pocket. I hope you go tell the narrator he was wrong
@25 seconds he draws two blue lines and says "This is the pocket." He then says "if Pryor throws a jab or right hand he can hit Arguello." He then starts to draw two red arrows and while drawing says Arguello can "throw the jab or the right hand and also hit Pryor." He ends the statement with NOW THEY ARE FIGHTING INSIDE THE POCKET.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171632
From post #6
The pocket is the area inside an out boxers reach.
From post #10
pocket = inside of punching range
So a fighter who stays in the pocket is one who keeps on his man and stays in range, rather than popping out after getting his punches off.
This is from MMA but it is the same thing
http://www.mmamania.com/2011/9/7/24...etting-inside-the-pocket-of-a-longer-opponent
The most dangerous place to stand when fighting within the eight walls of the Octagon is inside the "pocket."
It is a place where both fighters are in range to hit each other and it is a place that makes power shots much more significant. The pocket is the distance between two fighters when a strike can be thrown without reaching.
Now going back to the video, at the beginning Pryor is NOT against the ropes. And what does he call it? Towards the end Pryor is not against the ropes and they are in the middle of the fuckin ring and what does he call it?
In closing, fighting inside the pocket is NOT against the ropes you dummy. Go back and watch the Floyd vs Cotto fight and you'll see Floyd was in the pocket for the majority of the fight just like 206 and I said.
Last edited:
