Collectivists Don't Believe Your Kids Belong To You

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Mr. Nice Guy said:
Is anyone really proud to be human anymore?
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true that humans are pretty fucked up creatures

but at the same time this fool ThaG can't understand for every fucked up parent there are good parents.

he is not a parent, he doesn't know anyone outside of eastern europe so his theory's are all from books and not experience
 
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Mr. Nice Guy said:
ThaG I also disagree that "the deeply evolutionary ingrained behavioral pattern of maximizing the social status of and the amount of resources available to your progeny is the very root of all our problems" as I believe sexual selection and competition for mates is well represented in the equation summing up "all of our problems" as well.
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That's to a large extent included in what I said.
 
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GTS said:
true that humans are pretty fucked up creatures

but at the same time this fool ThaG can't understand for every fucked up parent there are good parents.

he is not a parent, he doesn't know anyone outside of eastern europe so his theory's are all from books and not experience
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What I said has nothing to do with fucked up vs good parents.

In fact the good parents (where good is defined as what society generally thnks good parenting is) are maybe an even bigger problem than the fucked up ones.

Read my post and argue with the points I am making.

Merely repeating how non-human my thinking is is not a real argument.

The fact is that the main driver of human behavior is inclusive fitness maximization in the short term (although pretty much nobody thinks of it in such terms). The problem is that when this is what drives individuals' behavior in a species that has achieved unprecedented in the history of the planet dominance over its ecosystems, when that species determines mating success by social status, and social status is measured in material possessions, you have a recipe for guaranteed collective suicide. Which will drive everyone's inclusive fitness to 0 and is in nobody's interest.
 
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ThaG said:
What I said has nothing to do with fucked up vs good parents.

In fact the good parents (where good is defined as what society generally thnks good parenting is) are maybe an even bigger problem than the fucked up ones.

Read my post and argue with the points I am making.

Merely repeating how non-human my thinking is is not a real argument.

The fact is that the main driver of human behavior is inclusive fitness maximization in the short term (although pretty much nobody thinks of it in such terms). The problem is that when this is what drives individuals' behavior in a species that has achieved unprecedented in the history of the planet dominance over its ecosystems, when that species determines mating success by social status, and social status is measured in material possessions, you have a recipe for guaranteed collective suicide. Which will drive everyone's inclusive fitness to 0 and is in nobody's interest.
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tell me how "good parents" are more of a problem.

what are you basing that off?

what makes you think you have any knowledge or expertise on parenting or raising a child?

you are a fuckin looney bro. why do you think you can lump all society into one category.
you have no idea what drives each person
 
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ThaG said:
What I said has nothing to do with fucked up vs good parents.

In fact the good parents (where good is defined as what society generally thnks good parenting is) are maybe an even bigger problem than the fucked up ones.

Read my post and argue with the points I am making.

Merely repeating how non-human my thinking is is not a real argument.

The fact is that the main driver of human behavior is inclusive fitness maximization in the short term (although pretty much nobody thinks of it in such terms). The problem is that when this is what drives individuals' behavior in a species that has achieved unprecedented in the history of the planet dominance over its ecosystems, when that species determines mating success by social status, and social status is measured in material possessions, you have a recipe for guaranteed collective suicide. Which will drive everyone's inclusive fitness to 0 and is in nobody's interest.
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Key words are bolded. You are making sweeping assumptions about the entire species, when we are each, in fact, individuals.

Now, if you want to argue society and what is "created" for individuals to live in, thats fine and if that is what you are doing...we can debate that. However, you still have to take into effect individual cognition and recognition by each individual person. We all have ideas, we all have preferences, we all have free will (this obviously varies by beliefs).
 
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I Pukokeki Ioulo Momu said:
Key words are bolded. You are making sweeping assumptions about the entire species, when we are each, in fact, individuals.

Now, if you want to argue society and what is "created" for individuals to live in, thats fine and if that is what you are doing...we can debate that. However, you still have to take into effect individual cognition and recognition by each individual person. We all have ideas, we all have preferences, we all have free will (this obviously varies by beliefs).
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Yet what ultimately really drives everyone's behavior can be narrowed down to a very small set of factors. The individual differences are small and largely irrelevant in comparison
 
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again ThaG was shunned from society and women and now his goal is to completely rid the world of humans

good luck with that spoc
 
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ThaG said:
The fact is that the main driver of human behavior is inclusive fitness maximization in the short term (although pretty much nobody thinks of it in such terms). The problem is that when this is what drives individuals' behavior in a species that has achieved unprecedented in the history of the planet dominance over its ecosystems, when that species determines mating success by social status, and social status is measured in material possessions, you have a recipe for guaranteed collective suicide. Which will drive everyone's inclusive fitness to 0 and is in nobody's interest.
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I would argue that most humans don't base their decisions about mating on social status as measured by material possessions. I don't have numbers, that's just my observation.

Even still, what are you proposing. It sounds like you're suggesting some form of Autocracy/Communism. Is that right?
 
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GTS said:
tell me how "good parents" are more of a problem.

what are you basing that off?

what makes you think you have any knowledge or expertise on parenting or raising a child?

you are a fuckin looney bro. why do you think you can lump all society into one category.
you have no idea what drives each person
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Good parents as defined by providing energy and resources to their offspring.

The competition of providing is driving us to unsustainable levels of consumption of energy and resources.

We live in a finite system with limited energy and resources.

The unsustainable consumption of these will create our own demise.

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And the fact of the matter is "what drives each person" is easily identifiable.
 
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It's hard for people to do and even harder to accept, but people like ThaG are of a tiny percentage of the world's population that actually gives a fuck about the future and long term solutions to problems. The world needs more thinkers like that regardless if you agree with him now or not.
 
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GTS said:
ya and?

thag is just as guilty of consumption of energy and resources as "good parents"
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Based on?

You are comparing an actual person to a statically blended hypothetical person.....kind of a tough comparison to make don't you think?

Not to mention, if another fat person calls you fat, it doesn't make you any less fat. You are falling victim to creating an ad hominem argument here.
 
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