Collectivists Don't Believe Your Kids Belong To You
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What exactly do you disagree with in that video?
One can actually go much further than this and argue that there should be a complete separation between parents and their kids and it's very very hard to present any sound arguments against that position.
Because the deeply evolutionary ingrained behavioral pattern of maximizing the social status of and the amount of resources available to your progeny is the very root of all our problems, and is currently rapidly driving us toward self-inflicted extinction. Therefore until we evolve something approaching eusociality (or rather, until we can engineer it directly because there isn't much of an evolutionary pressure in that direction in our lineage and it won't happen on its own) the only solution would be to break that connection by separating kids from parents at birth, erasing any information that links them and then raising them communally. The problem is this is going to become very difficult to achieve in practice thanks to technological advances - Gattaca-style ultra-cheap, portable full-genome sequencing is just a few years away. We missed the window of opportunity.
One can actually go much further than this and argue that there should be a complete separation between parents and their kids and it's very very hard to present any sound arguments against that position.
Because the deeply evolutionary ingrained behavioral pattern of maximizing the social status of and the amount of resources available to your progeny is the very root of all our problems, and is currently rapidly driving us toward self-inflicted extinction. Therefore until we evolve something approaching eusociality (or rather, until we can engineer it directly because there isn't much of an evolutionary pressure in that direction in our lineage and it won't happen on its own) the only solution would be to break that connection by separating kids from parents at birth, erasing any information that links them and then raising them communally. The problem is this is going to become very difficult to achieve in practice thanks to technological advances - Gattaca-style ultra-cheap, portable full-genome sequencing is just a few years away. We missed the window of opportunity.
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StillHustlin
What I disagree with is the collectivist agenda. I believe in individualism. I believe in less government. I believe in preserving individual rights and national independence. I believe personal rights are not government given. When I was a federal employee, I took an oath to the constitution. That oath doesn't go away just because I am no longer a federal employee. Collectivists do not believe in the constitution as it warrants protections of individual freedoms and rights, something a government has no right to control. My children are my children, not yours. I don't ask you to pay anything for my children, I don't ask for your support in raising my children, I don't ask for your influence on my children. The United States government does not have my family's best interest in mind, I do. What we do with our lives is of no concern to others so as long as we are not harming others or violating their rights to life liberty and their pursuit of happiness.
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Great.
Now tell us what happens when the individual rights that have already been granted turn out to jeopardize everyone's existence?
You have the following options:
1) Pretend there is no problem
2) Claim that you should still have your rights no matter what, the consequences be damned, your selfish is interest trumps the future of the species and even the planet
3) Agree that the sane thing would is to take away some of those rights
Somehow I have never seen any libertarian reach the enlightenment of option 3). It's mostly denial of the kind in option 1) and more rarely, brave defiance of the laws of nature of the kind in option 2)
Now tell us what happens when the individual rights that have already been granted turn out to jeopardize everyone's existence?
You have the following options:
1) Pretend there is no problem
2) Claim that you should still have your rights no matter what, the consequences be damned, your selfish is interest trumps the future of the species and even the planet
3) Agree that the sane thing would is to take away some of those rights
Somehow I have never seen any libertarian reach the enlightenment of option 3). It's mostly denial of the kind in option 1) and more rarely, brave defiance of the laws of nature of the kind in option 2)
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Fuck love. We have the future of our species to think about. Don't be so selfish.
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StillHustlin
I understand where ThaG is coming from: logic (he reminds me of Spock...no disrespect).
The problem with logic is this: human nature. Once you add humans into the equation, it pretty much throws logic on its ass and curb stomps it to death.
Human emotion is the X variable in every math equation ever.
The problem with logic is this: human nature. Once you add humans into the equation, it pretty much throws logic on its ass and curb stomps it to death.
Human emotion is the X variable in every math equation ever.
