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^^^uhhh, i'm supposed to believe you were not calling me a "bush supporter" here. sigh.....
Supporting and voting...not one in the same. And that was more of a blanket statement to many right-wing, gun owners. I dont know if you voted for Bush, but it would make sense. You have all the right-wing ideas, which exactly what 90% of the Republican party leans toward. Be kinda weird if you have all these views, but vote for or support Obama.

Cant have your cake and eat it too, now can ya?
 

ThaG

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Heres more FACTS for you to ingnore...

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.

Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.

Still, he understands the public perception - and extensive media coverage - when mass shootings occur in places like malls and schools. "There is this feeling that could have been me. It makes it so much more frightening."
Link?
 

ThaG

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SMH@ "readily available automatic weapon." That shit shows me right there where ever you copied and pasted that shit from doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about! lol
Well, yes, Adam Lanza had to go through thorough background checks, get permits, explain why he needs them, finally obtain the weapons, and only then could he go to the school and shoot two dozen kids.

Oh, I forgot, it didn't happen that way - he just picked them up from his mom's collection one morning and went on a rampage...
 
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Well, yes, Adam Lanza had to go through thorough background checks, get permits, explain why he needs them, finally obtain the weapons, and only then could he go to the school and shoot two dozen kids.

Oh, I forgot, it didn't happen that way - he just picked them up from his mom's collection one morning and went on a rampage...
Those were not "automatic" weapons and anybody who knew anything about firearms, which you obviously dont ("ThaG" lmao) would know that. Also your talking about "stolen guns" as a result of bad parenting...
 
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If a stolen Lamborghini was going 150 mph and the suicidal driver rammed it into a school bus killing 30 kids would we be having talks of eliminating cars capable of going over 75mph? This shit is retarded. I personally have many guns including an assault rifle and I have ran thousands of rounds thru them and I have never taken a human life. Can't blame the gun.

If some psycho school cafeteria chef laced up the rice pilaf with cyanide and killed 50 kids do we eliminate cafeteria food?

The gun laws will not stop someone who doesn't give a shit about the law anyways.

Ol Timmy mcvay didn't need a gun to mass murder children.
 

ThaG

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Those were not "automatic" weapons and anybody who knew anything about firearms, which you obviously dont ("ThaG" lmao) would know that. Also your talking about "stolen guns" as a result of bad parenting...
I actually don't know what weapons he used - and it wasn't my goal to have that factually correct. Whatever he used, it could fire a sufficiently large number of bullets to not only kill that many people in a short amount of time, but from what I heard, to fill each of them with multiple bullets.

Now if you are unable to see how "having so many guns in the house" is equivalent not only to "bad parenting" but also to "easy access to guns", I can't help you.

P.S. The letter G can stand for many things. That's why it's there - to have fools confused
 

ThaG

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If a stolen Lamborghini was going 150 mph and the suicidal driver rammed it into a school bus killing 30 kids would we be having talks of eliminating cars capable of going over 75mph? This shit is retarded. I personally have many guns including an assault rifle and I have ran thousands of rounds thru them and I have never taken a human life. Can't blame the gun.

If some psycho school cafeteria chef laced up the rice pilaf with cyanide and killed 50 kids do we eliminate cafeteria food?

The gun laws will not stop someone who doesn't give a shit about the law anyways.

Ol Timmy mcvay didn't need a gun to mass murder children.
There is indeed absolutely no reason to have cars that fast on the road. Not only nobody needs that kind of speed (which is illegal pretty much everywhere anyway), but they waste a lot of fuel, etc.

But that's not the reason why your analogies don't work - they don't work because they're not valid in general.

A car serves a purpose - get people from A to B. Same with planes. Both can be used as a a weapon, but that's not their main purpose.

Guns, on the other hand, have only one purpose - kill things, i.e. there is absolutely no reason to have them around. Very different situation
 
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There is indeed absolutely no reason to have cars that fast on the road. Not only nobody needs that kind of speed (which is illegal pretty much everywhere anyway), but they waste a lot of fuel, etc.

But that's not the reason why your analogies don't work - they don't work because they're not valid in general.

A car serves a purpose - get people from A to B. Same with planes. Both can be used as a a weapon, but that's not their main purpose.

Guns, on the other hand, have only one purpose - kill things, i.e. there is absolutely no reason to have them around. Very different situation
Riddle me this, how did the assault weapons ban from 94-04 work in terms of people's ability to get their hands on assault weapons?

And to say guns serve no purpose is asinine. U hunt?
We live in a violent world no doubt. People have been killing, robbing, and raping since the beginning of time, thus defending yourself n ur family can become necessary.

Guns r here to stay, can we at least agree on that?
Assuming you agree, I'd say that there are much more effective ways that we can combat school shootings. Do u know how long it's been since a child has died in a school fire? Over 50 years. Do u know why? Because there are extreme precautions taken in every school in America to avoid such a tragedy. Sprinklers n every class room, fire retardant building materials, lighted exit signs, fire drills, ect...
Like it or not schools have become a popular target for psychopaths so IMO we should take measures to combat THAT. There's a lot we could do such as armed guards, shooting drill practice, doors lockable from the inside, ect ect.

My point is I do not believe stricter gun control is the answer. I think we need to change, but not gun laws. Same as 9/11. Now there's a pistol n the cockpit of every plane to put a quick stop to fuckery.
 
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ThaG

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Riddle me this, how did the assault weapons ban from 94-04 work in terms of people's ability to get their hands on assault weapons?

And to say guns serve no purpose is asinine. U hunt?
I don't and I don't exactly see the need for others to.

We live in a violent world no doubt. People have been killing, robbing, and raping since the beginning of time, thus defending yourself n ur family can become necessary.

Guns r here to stay, can we at least agree on that?
You can read my posts in the previous thread (may be some in this one say that too) - I very clearly said that it is impossible to implement the Japan system in the US because the culture is very different.

I am arguing here in principle.

Assuming you agree, I'd say that there are much more effective ways that we can combat school shootings. Do u know how long it's been since a child has died in a school fire? Over 50 years. Do u know why? Because there are extreme precautions taken in every school in America to avoid such a tragedy. Sprinklers n every class room, fire retardant building materials, lighted exit signs, fire drills, ect...
Like it or not schools have become a popular target for psychopaths so IMO we should take measures to combat THAT. There's a lot we could do such as armed guards, shooting drill practice, doors lockable from the inside, ect ect.

My point is I do not believe stricter gun control is the answer. I think we need to change, but not gun laws. Same as 9/11. Now there's a pistol n the cockpit of every plane to put a quick stop to fuckery.
Fire is not a human - fire behaves predictably, humans don't. Big difference.
 

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God there is so many things you guys posted(things I agree with and things I dont) I want to address but i would be sitting here all day trying to address everything

What I will say is my stance on the gun debate is this...

I dont think arming ourselves to the teeth is the answer just like I dont think taking away our guns is...I think it is our right and freedom to be able to arm ourselves to protect our families and our land if that need be...PERIOD

Now I would be willing to bend in the gun debate and say maybe ban high cap mags cuz in all truth these mags are designed to kill a mass of people...now do i believe this will stop all mass killing??? NO, because like I stated earlier if a person hell bent on mass murder then they could just make there own clip or buy one off the street, but for that crazy just getting pissed and going in his parents closet for there chopper you might save some lives there...but thats as best as its gonna get in the real world

Now for the people that feel all guns should be taken away are just delusional...First that would be physically impossible in America the numbers are just too high and too many people would not roll with that even if you passed laws...2nd I have I big problem with living in a country where only government officials(like police, military,ect) can carry guns...if you want to live in a country like that by all means bounce out to china or somewhere like that and see how many rights you have...I know we live in "America" and we think our government would never pull no nazi type shit but history shows governments that have took away the peoples ability to arm and defend themselves are the same countries that slaughtered their people by the millions...look it up Germany, Russia, china....you feel in the blanks

Now lets speak on the real issue with these "types" of mass killings....MENTAL ILLNESS AND THE WAY WE TREAT IT...seriously im tired of people blaming it on tv,video games, guns and even parenting...yes I said parenting!!!! I had bad parents , played violent video games, lived most my life around gang culture, and whole lot of other shitty things and never once thought of going on a mass killings spree or hurting children....and you know what most people havent because most of us are sane and dont pop psychiatric drugs all day...these type of killings have been going up in recent years because anti-depression drugs have been being described to more and more people...and when you give a drug you dont really no about out to people that already have mental illness is a disaster(or mass killing) waiting to happen...

I guarantee this is the main reason why these killing are taking place more often...the reason it has not been put out there is because money rules over everything and legal drugs is the biggest business in America PERIOD....

We can talk about guns or Americas violent culture all day but remember drugged up mentally ill people are committing these "types" of crimes(no theory no debate)FACTS!!!
 
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this needs to be looked at deeply, but good luck not having the masses brainwashed by big pharma..
they probably will take the guns away from the people before they'd start to take a closer look at them meds and free give away prescriptions.