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We allowed the most sacks last year so I cant see peyton coming here but I can see Harbaugh walkin with Peyton during the tour and being like, look you big ole dumb country piece of shit, if you even think, for a second, for half a second, about coming to the NFC West, you see that big angry dog right there, Mr Justin Smith, hes gonna have atleast two chances a year to take the father away from your kids, YA DIG!?!?!?!
You guys complain about Alex's weak arm and you want Flynn? Dude has a noodle arm as well and almost all his throws are first reads passes to a ton of weapons that the Packers feature. Almost all his passes are short step drops to 10 or less yard routes. He has NO zip on the ball. IMO he looks exactly what Tolzien would look like if he got to play or Shaun Hill.
and YES Alex can and HAS made all of the throws in those videos. You guys do realize almost every qb in the NFL can make every single NFL throw. The difference is how fast, accurate and on time the ball is delivered. Alex has to throw early on the deep out because he lacks the arm strength to make that throw late, but Aaron Rodgers can shoot it out late because of his super fast release and ridiculous arm strength. Not to mention how important it is to have chemistry with your receivers.
and YES Alex can and HAS made all of the throws in those videos. You guys do realize almost every qb in the NFL can make every single NFL throw. The difference is how fast, accurate and on time the ball is delivered. Alex has to throw early on the deep out because he lacks the arm strength to make that throw late, but Aaron Rodgers can shoot it out late because of his super fast release and ridiculous arm strength. Not to mention how important it is to have chemistry with your receivers.
Dmn crazy shit alot of talk on ESPN. Filed to ESPN: Third team in Manning race that has emerged is 49ers - Manning worked out for Harbaugh & took physical this week https://twitter.com/#!/mortreport
Receiver Mario Manningham spent the first four seasons of his career catching passes from Eli Manning. Manningham could spend the next two catching them from Eli’s big brother.
A league source tells PFT that Manningham has agreed to terms with the 49ers on a two-year deal.
Manningham also had been in negotiations with the Rams.
The moves comes at a time when Peyton Manning is in the final days of selecting his next team. The finalists (for now) are the 49ers, Titans, and Broncos.
Manningham joins a depth chart that includes Michael Crabtree and Randy Moss.
In his final game with the Giants, Manningham caught a 38-yard pass along the sidelines on the first play of the Super Bowl-winning drive.
A league source tells PFT that Manningham has agreed to terms with the 49ers on a two-year deal.
Manningham also had been in negotiations with the Rams.
The moves comes at a time when Peyton Manning is in the final days of selecting his next team. The finalists (for now) are the 49ers, Titans, and Broncos.
Manningham joins a depth chart that includes Michael Crabtree and Randy Moss.
In his final game with the Giants, Manningham caught a 38-yard pass along the sidelines on the first play of the Super Bowl-winning drive.
Why even throw Alex Smith in there?
He wouldn't know what to do with all those receivers and find excuses not to make passes..
The time is here and the 49ers need to really push the line for Peyton Manning...
I don't want that C+ QB playing with some great receivers...fuck that! I want a guy that can really make plays and doesn't limit the wonderful WCO playbook...
The 49ers got the last piece of the puzzle in front of them.. it's now or never..
Bring Matt Flynn or P. Manning and believe it...... you'll see a Superbowl next season for sure..
He wouldn't know what to do with all those receivers and find excuses not to make passes..
The time is here and the 49ers need to really push the line for Peyton Manning...
I don't want that C+ QB playing with some great receivers...fuck that! I want a guy that can really make plays and doesn't limit the wonderful WCO playbook...
The 49ers got the last piece of the puzzle in front of them.. it's now or never..
Bring Matt Flynn or P. Manning and believe it...... you'll see a Superbowl next season for sure..
New San Francisco 49ers receiver Randy Moss lauded by former Oakland Raiders teammates
By Jerry McDonald
jmcdonald[USER=76253]@BAYAREA[/USER]newsgroup.com
Posted: 03/17/2012 07:45:28 PM PDT
Updated: 03/17/2012 08:22:29 PM PDT
The last time Randy Moss called the Bay Area home, things did not end well.
Moss sat out the last three games of the 2006 season with an ankle injury before being shipped to the New England Patriots for a fourth-round draft pick.
When he went on to catch 98 passes for 1,493 yards and an NFL record 23 touchdowns in 2007, it served as confirmation that Moss' disappointing stay in Oakland was about indifference and lack of effort. It was an easy assertion, given a pattern of such perceived attitude issues throughout his often-spectacular career.
But it was an assertion not shared by most players in the Raiders locker room, where Moss appeared to be a popular and generous if sometimes enigmatic teammate. According to a number of those players contacted last week, the 49ers' signing of Moss on Monday was a coup.
"I think if you asked 10 players about Randy Moss, nine of them would tell you they loved the guy," said Buffalo linebacker Kirk Morrison, a Raiders rookie during Moss' first season in Oakland.
Morrison remembers Moss as the humble superstar who brought his own turkey bacon every morning rather than insist on having the nutritional staff furnish it for him.
Former Raiders wide receiver Alvis Whitted, now the wide receivers coach at Colorado State, was startled when Moss approached him during an offseason workout at the facility not long after being traded to the Raiders from the Minnesota Vikings.
"He walked
up to me out of the blue and said, 'Let's go grab a bite to eat. I want to know you as a person,' " Whitted said. "He really wants to know the guys he goes to battle with, what their makeup is."
When Moss was traded from the Vikings to the Tennessee Titans in 2010, former Raiders quarterback Kerry Collins told the Tennesseean, "The year I spent with Randy, I never had a problem with the guy. He was respectful. He was a team guy."
Aaron Brooks, the Raiders starting quarterback for eight games in 2006, had the misfortune of directing a dysfunctional offense that included Moss wearing his disenchantment on his sleeve.
Now a partner in a development firm, Brooks says there are no hard feelings over a season where Moss caught 42 passes for 553 yards and three touchdowns.
"There are a lot of things I can say about Moss, but there were no problems in the locker room," Brooks said. "He was a great guy and a pretty good teammate."
Moss was traded to Oakland for the No. 7 pick in the draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris on March 2, 2005. Owner Al Davis thought him a perfect fit for coach Norv Turner's deep-strike passing game.
During his first training camp, as well as the first four games of the 2005 season, Moss was everything the Raiders hoped. He was spectacular in Napa, routinely making incredible catches that left teammates and media slack-jawed.
"It was electric," Morrison said. "You'd get to watch him go against Charles Woodson, and then go back and get the luxury of watching it again on tape."
Said Whitted: "He'd be going against Nnamdi (Asomugha) or Wood, it would look like he wouldn't make a play, then he'd just snatch the ball out of the air at the last instant."
Through the first four games of the 2005 season, Moss caught 19 passes for 466 yards with touchdown receptions of 73 and 64 yards plus a 79-yard catch.
In Oakland's fifth game, Moss went up for an underthrown Collins pass and went down in a heap along with San Diego safety Terrence Kiel and cornerback Sammy Davis. He missed the rest of the game with injuries to his ribs, groin and pelvis.
Although Moss didn't miss a game the rest of the season, his numbers were pedestrian, with 41 passes receptions for 539 yards. He averaged 24.5 yards before he got hurt and 13.1 afterward.
"He was never the same," Morrison said.
Moss, who kept his distance from the Bay Area media, never discussed the injuries.
After the 2005 season, Davis fired Turner and hired Art Shell. Shell's choice as offensive coordinator was Tom Walsh, who coached on his staff during his first stint with the Raiders but hadn't been in the NFL since 1994.
In contrast to the training camp under Turner, there were fewer fireworks. In a syndicated radio interview with Chris Myers before the season opener, Moss said things were "fishy" and that he was concerned about the direction of the team.
The Raiders went 2-14, and Moss had his worst season in the NFL. Moss has often taken the occasionally leisurely pass route -- and often capitalized by lulling a cornerback to sleep and bursting into the clear. But the lazy routes became more frequent, without the big plays in between.
He became a lightning rod for all that was wrong with the Raiders.
"I did an interview with Tony Kornheiser on 'Monday Night Football' and all he wanted to talk about was Randy, Randy, Randy," Brooks said. "The amount of attention he gets, because of his talent and skills, it gets to a point where it leads people to judge him unfairly."
Walsh, in a 2007 interview with the Boston Globe, said Moss was losing his skills.
Moss, meanwhile, questioned Walsh and offensive coaches about the scheme.
"Because of all he's accomplished, he has a voice. He's able to speak out and talk back to coaches -- and not in a demeaning way," Morrison said. "He'll say, 'C'mon now, this isn't going to work, we'll need another option.' "
As for the perception that Moss gave up and underachieved, he wasn't alone in the tank.
"It was no one's fault in particular that year," Whitted said. "Everyone was frustrated. The next year, when he went to New England, you could tell by his numbers what kind of competitor he is."
Moss, 35, played with New England, Minnesota and Tennessee in 2010 and sat out last season for what he called "personal reasons." Whether he can be a reasonable facsimile of what he was remains to be seen.
"Even if he's not a 4.3 guy (in the 40-yard dash) any more, a lot of times the things Randy did were on balls in the air," Morrison said. "You can't teach athleticism, and that's what he still brings."
Whitted invoked the name of another former teammate.
"Jerry Rice played until he was (42) years old," Whitted said. "They're of the same caliber. Jim Harbaugh's offense is a perfect fit for him. He'll be a steal, man. He's in the right situation on a team going in the right direction."
By Jerry McDonald
jmcdonald[USER=76253]@BAYAREA[/USER]newsgroup.com
Posted: 03/17/2012 07:45:28 PM PDT
Updated: 03/17/2012 08:22:29 PM PDT
The last time Randy Moss called the Bay Area home, things did not end well.
Moss sat out the last three games of the 2006 season with an ankle injury before being shipped to the New England Patriots for a fourth-round draft pick.
When he went on to catch 98 passes for 1,493 yards and an NFL record 23 touchdowns in 2007, it served as confirmation that Moss' disappointing stay in Oakland was about indifference and lack of effort. It was an easy assertion, given a pattern of such perceived attitude issues throughout his often-spectacular career.
But it was an assertion not shared by most players in the Raiders locker room, where Moss appeared to be a popular and generous if sometimes enigmatic teammate. According to a number of those players contacted last week, the 49ers' signing of Moss on Monday was a coup.
"I think if you asked 10 players about Randy Moss, nine of them would tell you they loved the guy," said Buffalo linebacker Kirk Morrison, a Raiders rookie during Moss' first season in Oakland.
Morrison remembers Moss as the humble superstar who brought his own turkey bacon every morning rather than insist on having the nutritional staff furnish it for him.
Former Raiders wide receiver Alvis Whitted, now the wide receivers coach at Colorado State, was startled when Moss approached him during an offseason workout at the facility not long after being traded to the Raiders from the Minnesota Vikings.
"He walked
up to me out of the blue and said, 'Let's go grab a bite to eat. I want to know you as a person,' " Whitted said. "He really wants to know the guys he goes to battle with, what their makeup is."
When Moss was traded from the Vikings to the Tennessee Titans in 2010, former Raiders quarterback Kerry Collins told the Tennesseean, "The year I spent with Randy, I never had a problem with the guy. He was respectful. He was a team guy."
Aaron Brooks, the Raiders starting quarterback for eight games in 2006, had the misfortune of directing a dysfunctional offense that included Moss wearing his disenchantment on his sleeve.
Now a partner in a development firm, Brooks says there are no hard feelings over a season where Moss caught 42 passes for 553 yards and three touchdowns.
"There are a lot of things I can say about Moss, but there were no problems in the locker room," Brooks said. "He was a great guy and a pretty good teammate."
Moss was traded to Oakland for the No. 7 pick in the draft and linebacker Napoleon Harris on March 2, 2005. Owner Al Davis thought him a perfect fit for coach Norv Turner's deep-strike passing game.
During his first training camp, as well as the first four games of the 2005 season, Moss was everything the Raiders hoped. He was spectacular in Napa, routinely making incredible catches that left teammates and media slack-jawed.
"It was electric," Morrison said. "You'd get to watch him go against Charles Woodson, and then go back and get the luxury of watching it again on tape."
Said Whitted: "He'd be going against Nnamdi (Asomugha) or Wood, it would look like he wouldn't make a play, then he'd just snatch the ball out of the air at the last instant."
Through the first four games of the 2005 season, Moss caught 19 passes for 466 yards with touchdown receptions of 73 and 64 yards plus a 79-yard catch.
In Oakland's fifth game, Moss went up for an underthrown Collins pass and went down in a heap along with San Diego safety Terrence Kiel and cornerback Sammy Davis. He missed the rest of the game with injuries to his ribs, groin and pelvis.
Although Moss didn't miss a game the rest of the season, his numbers were pedestrian, with 41 passes receptions for 539 yards. He averaged 24.5 yards before he got hurt and 13.1 afterward.
"He was never the same," Morrison said.
Moss, who kept his distance from the Bay Area media, never discussed the injuries.
After the 2005 season, Davis fired Turner and hired Art Shell. Shell's choice as offensive coordinator was Tom Walsh, who coached on his staff during his first stint with the Raiders but hadn't been in the NFL since 1994.
In contrast to the training camp under Turner, there were fewer fireworks. In a syndicated radio interview with Chris Myers before the season opener, Moss said things were "fishy" and that he was concerned about the direction of the team.
The Raiders went 2-14, and Moss had his worst season in the NFL. Moss has often taken the occasionally leisurely pass route -- and often capitalized by lulling a cornerback to sleep and bursting into the clear. But the lazy routes became more frequent, without the big plays in between.
He became a lightning rod for all that was wrong with the Raiders.
"I did an interview with Tony Kornheiser on 'Monday Night Football' and all he wanted to talk about was Randy, Randy, Randy," Brooks said. "The amount of attention he gets, because of his talent and skills, it gets to a point where it leads people to judge him unfairly."
Walsh, in a 2007 interview with the Boston Globe, said Moss was losing his skills.
Moss, meanwhile, questioned Walsh and offensive coaches about the scheme.
"Because of all he's accomplished, he has a voice. He's able to speak out and talk back to coaches -- and not in a demeaning way," Morrison said. "He'll say, 'C'mon now, this isn't going to work, we'll need another option.' "
As for the perception that Moss gave up and underachieved, he wasn't alone in the tank.
"It was no one's fault in particular that year," Whitted said. "Everyone was frustrated. The next year, when he went to New England, you could tell by his numbers what kind of competitor he is."
Moss, 35, played with New England, Minnesota and Tennessee in 2010 and sat out last season for what he called "personal reasons." Whether he can be a reasonable facsimile of what he was remains to be seen.
"Even if he's not a 4.3 guy (in the 40-yard dash) any more, a lot of times the things Randy did were on balls in the air," Morrison said. "You can't teach athleticism, and that's what he still brings."
Whitted invoked the name of another former teammate.
"Jerry Rice played until he was (42) years old," Whitted said. "They're of the same caliber. Jim Harbaugh's offense is a perfect fit for him. He'll be a steal, man. He's in the right situation on a team going in the right direction."
ha ha does it bother you that your mediocre QB might be playing for the Seahawks or be a backup for another team?
face it...someone wasn't satisfied with Smith's performance through out the season..
do me a favor and post all his 3rd down conversion stats from game 1 to the championship game and how many 1st downs he had by passing ...
stats don't lie, he's a weak ass QB that was hidden by a system built for him..
so in other words, they limited the playbook in order to suit him .... a limited QB can't win you games, that was proven during the Championship game..
We don't need Trent Dilfer 2.0 ... we need a QB that can execute in 3rd downs in the 30 yard zone and get a TD ...
Akers needs a break and so does the defense..
face it...someone wasn't satisfied with Smith's performance through out the season..
do me a favor and post all his 3rd down conversion stats from game 1 to the championship game and how many 1st downs he had by passing ...
stats don't lie, he's a weak ass QB that was hidden by a system built for him..
so in other words, they limited the playbook in order to suit him .... a limited QB can't win you games, that was proven during the Championship game..
We don't need Trent Dilfer 2.0 ... we need a QB that can execute in 3rd downs in the 30 yard zone and get a TD ...
Akers needs a break and so does the defense..