Important American History (Black Panthers)

[2-0-Sixx]

Basically i was talking about the new generation of black panthers.

The New Black Panther Party is a complete joke and has no ties to the original Black Panthers. It's a shame they stole their name.

Do you know you if the OG black panthers were afrocentrists?

If they are Marxist does that mean that they Internationalists?

Are you an internationalist 2Osixx?

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

The Black Panthers, and prior Malcolm X, visited many countries and were united with ALL oppressed people regardless of nationality.

What do you think of trotkysm?

You can say I am a Trotskyist, however I don't like the term because it has a somewhat of a negative stigma attached to it amongst certain people.

I'm a Marxist-Leninist and I'm a Trotskyist being that I believe Stalinism contradicted Marxism-Leninism.

If they are cultural nationalist (like me) but use marxist tools they re more like neo marxist (like me)
it maens to me that they are using the the class struggle concept to understand and jugde our world but forget the INTERNATIONALISM.

Proletarian internationalism, sometimes referred to as international socialism, is a marxist social class concept based on the view that capitalism is now a global system, and therefore the working class must act as a global class if it is to defeat it. Workers should struggle in solidarity with their fellow workers in other countries on the basis of a common class interest.​

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletarian_internationalism

 

[Cante-up]

Im posted that 10 minutes before yours 20sicxx

my motto could be Nationalists of all countries UNITE!


If you want to tackle liberalism and capitalism you can t be internationalists because the banksters, the elite are apatride and are internationalists. Social dumping is only possible because of internationalism.

The system of TOTAL deregulation is based on 3 pillars (see the European constitution for example):

free circulation of goods, humans and capital so the neo capitalist you want to fight are INTERNATIONALISTS.

The free circulation ie no boundaries has for consequences: social dumping.

do you know that Robert Kagan, william krystol or Paul Wolfowitz (just to name a few) are exTrotskyts and internationalists??

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Again, I don't like the term Trotskyists because of the negative stigma it has attached to the name which really has nothing to do with it in the first place. Trotsky was a Marxist-Leninist, his work post-Lenin was mainly the critique of Stalin and exposing the falsehood of Stalins "communist" policies. There were also a number of so called Trotskyists parties over the years that put Trotsky's name to shame.

Further, if someone was a Trotskyists and later turned out to be a neo-capitalist or whatever, that means nothing other than obviously at some point in their lives they abandoned those beliefs for whatever (selfish) reasons.

And you're statement "Nationalists of all countries unite" is confusing because if they were too unite wouldn't that make them internationalists? Or it seems there are multiple definitions for both of these terms.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

free circulation of goods, humans and capital so the neo capitalist you want to fight are INTERNATIONALISTS.

The free circulation ie no boundaries has for consequences: social dumping.

do you know that Robert Kagan, william krystol or Paul Wolfowitz (just to name a few) are exTrotskyts and internationalists??

those people those things & people you mention are neo-liberals,neo-liberalism

look up globilzation , free trade

 

[The Duke of Earl]

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they got a BBP exhbit over at laney college they havin it until the 31 ? i think im not sure but they also showin this movie this saturday

 

[The Duke of Earl]

Damn I just notice it says Lovell on the title too

 

[swoop187]

I always love the racial separatist threads.

And motherfuckers gotta say their is no "racial agenda"

Only a racist would support any form of the separatist movement.

The black manifesto the Black Panthers hold so dearly reads like Mein Kampf.

http://www.enotes.com/black-manifesto-salem/black-manifesto

 

[The Duke of Earl]

you're a fucking moron , the BBP broke with the SNCC because Stokely didn't want to work with whites and believed in racial confrontation between whites and blacks , that and he H .Rap brown and James Foreman didn't inform the SNCC body that it was merging with the BBP and members of the SNCC thought the BBP was taking over. stop trying to distort truth , were does it in your link mention the BBP ?

 

[swoop187]

you're a fucking moron , the BBP broke with the SNCC because Stokely didn't want to work with whites and believed in racial confrontation between whites and blacks , that and he H .Rap brown and James Foreman didn't inform the SNCC body that it was merging with the BBP and members of the SNCC thought the BBP was taking over. stop trying to distort truth , were does it in your link mention the BBP ?

"Black Manifesto" is an extremely vague term - I just used that link to refer to the correct "black manifesto."

I think my point went over your head. My point was, [or implying] only an extremist would subscribe to any of these militant special interest groups. I don't know if your aware of this but the New Black Panthers today are militant communists for racial segregation.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

I think my point went over your head. My point was, [or implying] only an extremist would subscribe to any of these militant special interest groups. I don't know if your aware of this but the New Black Panthers today are militant communists for racial segregation.

THERE IS NO NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY(they've been accused of being a front for the NOI) , NONE OF THE ORGINAL BLACK PANTHERS RECORDNIZE THEM

 

[swoop187]

THERE IS NOT NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY(they've been accused of being a front for the NOI) , NONE OF THE ORGINAL BLACK PANTHERS IN MY OPINION RECORDNIZE THEM

I fixed it for you.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

I fixed it for you.

YOU FUCKING TROLL. THAT IS NOT OPINION ,IT'S FACT

 

[swoop187]

YOU FUCKING TROLL. THAT IS NOT OPINION ,IT'S FACT

You could hardly make it a theory let alone fact. If its a fact then you have enough evidence to prove that as such.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You could hardly make it a theory let alone fact. If its a fact then you have enough evidence to prove that as such.

What original black panther members support the NEW Black panther party?

You obviously don't understand the difference between fact and opinion and it's quite clear you know very little, if anything, about the BPP.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

You could hardly make it a theory let alone fact. If its a fact then you have enough evidence to prove that as such.

lol you're full shit , i can't even take you serious or that you believe half the shit you type

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

What original black panther members support the NEW Black panther party?

You obviously don't understand the difference between fact and opinion and it's quite clear you know very little, if anything, about the BPP.

I know that as an organization the original Black Panthers don't recognize the NBP and claim it is illegitimate, but when The Duke of Earl says "none of the original black panthers recognize them" all it would take is one to make that statement incorrect.

He also said "THERE IS NOT NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY" which is incorrect as well because whether or not the original Black Panther recognize the NBP and regardless of their separate identities, neither negates the existence of the NBP.

 

[The Duke of Earl]

lol fuck ey ,one of the saying original members have is "there is no NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY"

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I know that as an organization the original Black Panthers don't recognize the NBP and claim it is illegitimate, but when The Duke of Earl says "none of the original black panthers recognize them" all it would take is one to make that statement incorrect.

His statement is correct as far as I'm concerned, none of the original BPP members still alive today support the new black panthers (that I'm aware of).

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

His statement is correct as far as I'm concerned, none of the original BPP members still alive today support the new black panthers (that I'm aware of).

I agree.

As far as I know as well, none of the original Black Panthers support the NBP.

But when you make a statement that none do, you are making it more exponentially more difficult to support that argument.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Of course, but to this day I haven't heard of any former members even supporting them. And there have been some pretty wacky characters that were one time BPP members.