Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin vs Canelo Álvarez 9/16 [WBA, WBC, IBF, lineal title]

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September 16, 2017 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, and will be televised on HBO pay-per-view

Gennady "Triple G" Golovkin
37-0 (33 KO)
5'10.5
35 years old
Orthodox
Unified WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO middleweight champion.
Last 8 fights: Danny Jacobs UD, Kell Brook TKO5, Dominic Wade KO2, David Lemieux TKO8, Willie Monroe Jr. TKO 6, Martin Murray TKO11, Marco Antonio Rubio KO2, Daniel Geale TKO3



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Santos Saúl "Canelo" Álvarez Barragán
49–1–1 (34 KO)
5'9
27 years old
Orthodox
The Ring and technically lineal middleweight champion.
Last 8 fights: Julio César Chávez Jr. UD, Liam Smith KO9, Amir Khan KO6, Miguel Cotto UD, James Kirkland KO3, Erislandy Lara Split Decision, Alfredo Angulo TKO10, Floyd Mayweather Jr. Loss (decision).





Undercard

Super Bantamweight - Mexico Diego De La Hoya vs. United States Randy Caballero
Featherweight - Dominican Republic Claudio Marrero (c) vs. Puerto Rico Jesus Rojas
Super Lightweight - Mexico Antonio Orozco vs. Mexico Roberto Ortiz
 
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I got Canelo by decision. If you would have asked me a year ago I would have said GGG by decision since he is the better boxer but Canelo is no joke right now. He build his body up perfect not just for the 160 lbs division but for GGG as well. Meanwhile GGG just fighting twice a year these past 2 years, IMO, has kept him slightly out of shape. He would have and should have finished off Jacobs but he gassed out just a lil due to Jacobs staying outside. But Canelo's head movement inside and giving up a couple rounds here and there staying outside will get GGG even more tired especially since Canelo will attack GGG's body like crazy.

Canelo by decision
 
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Even with youth on his side I don't think canelo has the gas or experience to hang with ggg a full 12 and I believe that his corner will throw in the towel at some point maybe the 8th or 9th and regroup for the rematch in the spring.

Canelo has a fine resume but hasn't been battle tested enough--he's always had size and power advantages.

Ggg is able to conserve energy while still cutting off the ring and landing hard punches. I see canelo miscalculating when to exchange and when to evade and paying dearly for it.

Nevertheless it's a very close fight and would not be much surprised to see canelo take the steam out of ggg and get the decision.

But either way there's a rematch coming next because who else is out there to make a big fight?


And long live 2-0-sixx
 
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Even with youth on his side I don't think canelo has the gas or experience to hang with ggg a full 12 and I believe that his corner will throw in the towel at some point maybe the 8th or 9th and regroup for the rematch in the spring.

Canelo has a fine resume but hasn't been battle tested enough--he's always had size and power advantages.

Ggg is able to conserve energy while still cutting off the ring and landing hard punches. I see canelo miscalculating when to exchange and when to evade and paying dearly for it.

Nevertheless it's a very close fight and would not be much surprised to see canelo take the steam out of ggg and get the decision.

But either way there's a rematch coming next because who else is out there to make a big fight?


And long live 2-0-sixx
So, who do you got winning, though?
 
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I think this is a 50/50 fight. Prior I had it 65/35 Golovkin but I have a few concerns for Triple G that I cannot answer - Canelo is really peaking right now I think, Golovkin at 35 might have lost a step, physically he just looks older now, hard to say but it's difficult to know what his mindset is - is he thinking about retiring after this fight? If so, that always bothers me going into a big fight, especially when the other guy has plans to continue for many more years. Another factor is Canelo has been here before on the big stage, this is a first for Golovkin and sometimes you just don't really know how a guy is going to handle all that extra pressure. Golovkin has always shown to be a true professional, so I'd imagine once he's in the ring he'll settle down, but impossible to know.

Other than those concerns I favor Golovkin as far as style and attributes go. I think they mesh really good though and will provide fireworks, likely with both guys getting hurt.
 
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This fight is going to be great boxing fight. GGG is fucking strong and I don't see how Canelo wins by KO unless he throws a crazy body shot. But just like vs Cotto, Canelo will do a good job of protecting his body and bob his head extremely well vs the jab. So the counters will give him the rounds. Canelo's peak is just on some other shit right now that I haven't seen in a while. Canelo could actually beat Jacobs right now too! This fight is going to be crazy for real boxing purists, and great for the sport.
 
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This fight is going to be great boxing fight. GGG is fucking strong and I don't see how Canelo wins by KO unless he throws a crazy body shot. But just like vs Cotto, Canelo will do a good job of protecting his body and bob his head extremely well vs the jab. So the counters will give him the rounds. Canelo's peak is just on some other shit right now that I haven't seen in a while. Canelo could actually beat Jacobs right now too! This fight is going to be crazy for real boxing purists, and great for the sport.
I see the same thing about Canelo peaking right now. I don't think it's just the quality of opponents because it's how sharp he looks in there. I can't say the same for Golovkin, I can't say for certain but I would say he's slightly past his peak, not by much, but I think he was peaking two years ago, around 32-33 years old. I'm putting my bias aside, just trying to see things clearly.

I think Jacobs would give him some problems too though, but I think Canelo would get the decision for sure.
 
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In my opinion, what slightly hurt GGG is fighting twice last year and then twice this year. At his age, if he doesn't train consistently then he will pudge up a lil in between fights. I do think his plan for Canelo is scary though. If he came in at 170 for the 30 day weigh in then I think he is trying to pile up some muscle. Like, he really wants to rehydrate at 170 come the morning after and a couple more during the fight! like, he might want to kill Canelo in the ring because he doesn't want to leave it to the judges! shit is scary man
 
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In my opinion, what slightly hurt GGG is fighting twice last year and then twice this year. At his age, if he doesn't train consistently then he will pudge up a lil in between fights. I do think his plan for Canelo is scary though. If he came in at 170 for the 30 day weigh in then I think he is trying to pile up some muscle. Like, he really wants to rehydrate at 170 come the morning after and a couple more during the fight! like, he might want to kill Canelo in the ring because he doesn't want to leave it to the judges! shit is scary man
You bring up point which I'd like to expand on:

GGG has had the IBF for a long time. The IBF has always had the tile that titlists must weigh-in a second time the day of the fight and they are not allowed to rehydrate more than ten pounds. Great rule. Golovkin has always been a professional and would only rehydrate 10 pounds or a tad less. Until the problems started...


Danny Jacobs vs Golovkin. Three belts on the line. Jacobs, as part of his strategy, decided to say forget the IBF, I'm not going to fight for it and chose not to do the second day weigh in. That made Golovkin, who's defending his IBF belt, have to make the second weigh in and not rehydrate more than 10 pounds, while Jacobs didn't have that obligation and rehydrated much more than ten pounds, giving himself a weight advantage.

There were rumors that Canelo would do the same. He wasn't going to fight for the IBF.

The IBF just recently decided to dump the rule, since it can easily be abused in unification fights where openents choose not to fight for it to give themselves an edge and none of the other sanctioning bodies do it.

So this is the first fight where Golovkin hasnt had that weight restriction on him- he's now free to rehydrate as much as his opponents. Golovkin and Sanchez are well aware Canelo rehydrates a lot, I mean he was always in the 170s when he fought at 154/155, so you'd have to imagine he'll be at least 175 against Golovkin.

The IBF rule was the best in boxing but it means nothing when all the other sanctioning bodies ignore it and this can be abused like Jacobs and potentially Canelo.

So perhaps that had something with his weight being higher, I don't know, but the timing of it all makes perfect sense.
 
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You nailed it. I was thinking the same shit. Now, this should be a major topic of discussion. This isn't about who would benefit over wearing 8 oz gloves. this is about gaining a possible 15 lbs of legit weight from some of the hardest punchers in the game!

Who do you think would benefit from this?
 
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You nailed it. I was thinking the same shit. Now, this should be a major topic of discussion. This isn't about who would benefit over wearing 8 oz gloves. this is about gaining a possible 15 lbs of legit weight from some of the hardest punchers in the game!

Who do you think would benefit from this?

Not sure but in a perfectly equal world and they both rehydrate the same amount, let's say 15 pounds, then I would imagine it would benefit Golovkin a tad. I think in the past it's hurt Golovkin having the second day weigh-in, so now that he doesn't have that obligation he could feel fresher in the ring.

For Canelo I don't think it matters much since it's business as usual for him. He always rehydrates at least 15 pounds and hasn't ever had the restrictions so he should be comfortable as always.

It could however matter in the sense that Canelo ALWAYS had a weight advantage in his career, other than Chavez which was a joke of a fight, Canelo always enjoys a significant weight advantage over his opponents so this really does mark the first SIGNIFICANT fight in Canelo's career where the opponent will weigh just as much as him in the ring, if not a tad more.

I guess the one concern would be for Golovkin though. He's been doing the second day weigh in for so long now that there could be a small risk that perhaps not having that obligation, and carrying the extra weight slows him down a bit since he's not used to it. And I do think speed is going to be important. Canelo already has the faster hands, but you'd like to close that gap as much as possible, not increase the gap. I don't think 5 pounds will make a huge difference though, but any small difference could determine the outcome since this is one of this githts where a single punch, at any moment in any round, could end the fight.
 
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I think the advantage is to Canelo. I know the JCC Jr fight was a joke but I think Canelo wanted to test out his stamina and it was on point. GGG's plan to go in there and destroy Canelo can backfire. I think Canelo will box him a lil more than usual and it will surprise a lot of fans including GGG. GGG's work will steadily drop and Canelo will capitalize on it. Since I am going for Canelo, the only worry I have is how will he respond to GGG's power. And GGG will come in with more power early in the fight
 
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I think the advantage is to Canelo. I know the JCC Jr fight was a joke but I think Canelo wanted to test out his stamina and it was on point. GGG's plan to go in there and destroy Canelo can backfire. I think Canelo will box him a lil more than usual and it will surprise a lot of fans including GGG.
Well, the same can be said for Golovkin. For example everyone expected Golovkin vs David Lemieux to be nothing but fireworks. A mini Hagler vs Hearns. And if people didn't think it was going to be competitive, then they thought Golovkin would pummel him and get an early stoppage.

Of course, Golovkins gameplan was the opposite - he came out using the jab, exclusively at times, while maintaining a safe yet efficient distance. He respected Lemieux's power. He chipped away at Lemeuix with the jab until it opened up the KO and he took it.

Lots of people were surprised by that. Some never saw Golovkin fight that way (since they only saw his HBO fights and nothing prior).

Golovkin will likely fight similar here and that may be something you're overlooking - GGGs boxing ability and his jab. His jab is a thing of beauty and it's a HARD jab - it swells guys eyes up, cuts their lips and busts noses.

I'll have to go back during the week and see how Canelo has faired against jabs and in particular if he's fought any guys with strong, accurate thudding jabs. Cotto has a great jab when he uses it, and I know he had some success with against Canelo but it wasn't consistent and Canelo did a great job defending against it, iirc. I don't know how useful that is though since Cotto is a smaller guy.

If Canelo can neutralize the jab and discourage Golovkin from using it, then what you're saying could very well be true. If he can't, Golovkin will stop him or get a clear decision.***

***Baring ant kind of robbery and let's be real here - Canelo has had several highly suspect scorecards from judges (Austin Trout, Mayweather and Cotto.

If the fight breaks out into a slugfest, I also got Golovkin by KO. I think if the fight is at a high pace, it favors Golovkin since he has the better stamina. You mentioned his stamina being on point against Chavez, but Chavez never stepped on the gas pedal and forced Canelo to fight at higher pace, in fact, Chavez had the lowest punching stats in his entire career (when compubox was actually used); his numbers were pathetic - in all 12 rounds he never landed in the double digits (every round he landed less than 10 punches, all single digits, with a high of 9 punches landed in rounds 7 and 9). He averaged just 6 punches landed per round.
 
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Well, the same can be said for Golovkin. For example everyone expected Golovkin vs David Lemieux to be nothing but fireworks. A mini Hagler vs Hearns. And if people didn't think it was going to be competitive, then they thought Golovkin would pummel him and get an early stoppage.

Of course, Golovkins gameplan was the opposite - he came out using the jab, exclusively at times, while maintaining a safe yet efficient distance. He respected Lemieux's power. He chipped away at Lemeuix with the jab until it opened up the KO and he took it.

Lots of people were surprised by that. Some never saw Golovkin fight that way (since they only saw his HBO fights and nothing prior).

Golovkin will likely fight similar here and that may be something you're overlooking - GGGs boxing ability and his jab. His jab is a thing of beauty and it's a HARD jab - it swells guys eyes up, cuts their lips and busts noses.

I'll have to go back during the week and see how Canelo has faired against jabs and in particular if he's fought any guys with strong, accurate thudding jabs. Cotto has a great jab when he uses it, and I know he had some success with against Canelo but it wasn't consistent and Canelo did a great job defending against it, iirc. I don't know how useful that is though since Cotto is a smaller guy.

If Canelo can neutralize the jab and discourage Golovkin from using it, then what you're saying could very well be true. If he can't, Golovkin will stop him or get a clear decision.***

***Baring ant kind of robbery and let's be real here - Canelo has had several highly suspect scorecards from judges (Austin Trout, Mayweather and Cotto.

If the fight breaks out into a slugfest, I also got Golovkin by KO. I think if the fight is at a high pace, it favors Golovkin since he has the better stamina. You mentioned his stamina being on point against Chavez, but Chavez never stepped on the gas pedal and forced Canelo to fight at higher pace, in fact, Chavez had the lowest punching stats in his entire career (when compubox was actually used); his numbers were pathetic - in all 12 rounds he never landed in the double digits (every round he landed less than 10 punches, all single digits, with a high of 9 punches landed in rounds 7 and 9). He averaged just 6 punches landed per round.


Its not fair to compare Canelo to Lemieux, though. Lemieux has no defense at all, while Canelo has great defense. it's hella underrated. Canelo was 22 when he fought Trout and he defended well vs Trout and Cotto has a better jab and he defended it better. I think we will see Canelo hold more often than usual and it will drop GGG's work output tremendously. Not being able to use the jab as affective as he usually does and the clinching will discourage GGG like a mother fucker. It's something he is not used to and with his work rate dropping the judges will give the rounds to Canelo.
 
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Is this fight past it's expiration date at all?

Is this the BIGGEST fight to be made? ( I can't see anything bigger )

If there's no rematch who does Canelo fight next? Who does GGG fight next?
 
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It's right on time bro. Once the question was asked DLH said when it was going to happen, which I predicted first!, and it is. The only problem that I have with it is the fact that the who Flod vs Conor shit happened. It's like, certain outlets are still talking about that fight as if though it was some monumental shit that happened.

If Canelo wins, I do believe he will fight Cotto next. If he loses, theres a rematch.

If GGG wins, rematch with Canelo until Canelo wins or he dies one or the other
 
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Its not fair to compare Canelo to Lemieux, though. Lemieux has no defense at all, while Canelo has great defense. it's hella underrated. Canelo was 22 when he fought Trout and he defended well vs Trout and Cotto has a better jab and he defended it better. I think we will see Canelo hold more often than usual and it will drop GGG's work output tremendously. Not being able to use the jab as affective as he usually does and the clinching will discourage GGG like a mother fucker. It's something he is not used to and with his work rate dropping the judges will give the rounds to Canelo.
I think you totally misunderstood what I was saying about Lemeuix - I was saying Golovkin fought more cautiously because he respected Lemieux's power and that his game plan was to be cautious/respectful of his power, use the jab and box effectively from distance. You had said Golovkins gameplan will be to go in there and destroy Canelo and that can back fire. I'm saying wait, let's hold up for a second because he's had different game plans in the past and fights differently depending on the opponent, such as Lemieux who is a heavy hitter.

I was saying I would expect a similar type of plan from Golovkin against Canelo (use the jab, respect Canelo's power and box). That is at least until they inevitably trade blow for blow, which they will, and by then it will depend on who has more left in them.

I think if Golovkin is successful early with the jab then it's a wrap for Canelo. But like I said Canelo did pretty good against Cotto's jab* so it could turn out Golovkin had no success or worse completely abandons it. Lots of possible outcomes here.


*I forgot about the Trout fight thanks for reminding me. But did Canelo do that we'll against his jab? That was a fight that I thought was very close and i thought the judges were awful in that open scoring joke that the WBC did.
 
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