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#81
Facing a debacle in Iraq, the US turns for help to Iran

18 June 2014

With the eruption of civil war in Iraq, the foreign policy of the United States has suffered a shipwreck of massive dimensions, with far-reaching political implications.

On Monday, as Islamist forces increased their control over significant parts of Iraq, US Secretary of State John Kerry turned to Iran for assistance. Washington is “open to discussions” with Tehran, he said, adding that he would “not rule out anything that would be constructive.”

The appeal came as the Obama administration announced a partial evacuation of the US embassy in Baghdad, the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, constructed following the 2003 invasion.

The turn to Iran testifies to the extent of the debacle in Iraq. Just this past February, Kerry was denouncing Iran for continuing to support Syrian President Bashar Al Assad as the US financed an insurgency led by the same Islamic fundamentalist forces currently threatening the Iraqi regime of Nouri al-Maliki. Now Kerry is seeking Iran’s assistance in staving off a disaster in a country the US invaded more than eleven years ago.

For 35 years, since the 1979 Iranian Revolution toppled the Shah, hostility toward Iran has been a central pillar of US policy in the Middle East. During the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, the Reagan administration financed and aided Saddam Hussein against his regional competitor.

In his 2002 State of the Union address, President George W. Bush denounced Iran as part of the “Axis of Evil,” while Washington and its allies made clear that the invasion of Iraq, which took place in 2003, was only a prelude to a US invasion and occupation of Iran. In 2003, a senior British official described the views prevalent in the Bush administration: “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.”

Exploiting the issue of Iran’s nuclear program, the US has relentlessly targeted the country, imposing devastating sanctions and working with Israel to murder its scientists and wreak havoc on its industrial infrastructure.

Just one year ago, the Obama administration was on the verge of bombing Syria, in large part for the purpose of further isolating Iran and depriving it of a major ally in the Middle East. In fomenting civil war in Syria, the US and its monarchical Gulf allies backed various Al Qaeda affiliates, including the Sunni extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). When the defeats suffered by Washington’s far-right Sunni Islamist proxies in Syria drove it to the negotiating table last year, it insisted that Iran could not attend the talks.

While there have been tentative moves toward a rapprochement with Iran since elections last year, the current turn constitutes a stunning reversal.

US foreign policy is collapsing under the weight of the contradictions that have built up over decades of bloody wars across the region. Having recklessly turned to various subsidiaries of Al Qaeda in an attempt to topple Assad, Washington was apparently blindsided when ISIS changed targets, rampaging through Iraq and attacking Washington’s Shiite puppet regime there.

The 2003-2011 US war in Iraq, as pursued by both the Bush and Obama administrations, involved a vast and criminal squandering of human life, American as well as Iraqi. Combined with the US decision to oversee the arming of forces like ISIS, which makes a mockery of Washington’s claims to be fighting a “war on terror” against Al Qaeda, the US subjugation of Iraq has set the stage for a new, even more devastating bloodbath in the Middle East.
 

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#82
Facing a debacle in Iraq, the US turns for help to Iran

18 June 2014

With the eruption of civil war in Iraq, the foreign policy of the United States has suffered a shipwreck of massive dimensions, with far-reaching political implications.

On Monday, as Islamist forces increased their control over significant parts of Iraq, US Secretary of State John Kerry turned to Iran for assistance. Washington is “open to discussions” with Tehran, he said, adding that he would “not rule out anything that would be constructive.”

The appeal came as the Obama administration announced a partial evacuation of the US embassy in Baghdad, the largest and most expensive embassy in the world, constructed following the 2003 invasion.

The turn to Iran testifies to the extent of the debacle in Iraq. Just this past February, Kerry was denouncing Iran for continuing to support Syrian President Bashar Al Assad as the US financed an insurgency led by the same Islamic fundamentalist forces currently threatening the Iraqi regime of Nouri al-Maliki. Now Kerry is seeking Iran’s assistance in staving off a disaster in a country the US invaded more than eleven years ago.

For 35 years, since the 1979 Iranian Revolution toppled the Shah, hostility toward Iran has been a central pillar of US policy in the Middle East. During the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, the Reagan administration financed and aided Saddam Hussein against his regional competitor.

In his 2002 State of the Union address, President George W. Bush denounced Iran as part of the “Axis of Evil,” while Washington and its allies made clear that the invasion of Iraq, which took place in 2003, was only a prelude to a US invasion and occupation of Iran. In 2003, a senior British official described the views prevalent in the Bush administration: “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.”

Exploiting the issue of Iran’s nuclear program, the US has relentlessly targeted the country, imposing devastating sanctions and working with Israel to murder its scientists and wreak havoc on its industrial infrastructure.

Just one year ago, the Obama administration was on the verge of bombing Syria, in large part for the purpose of further isolating Iran and depriving it of a major ally in the Middle East. In fomenting civil war in Syria, the US and its monarchical Gulf allies backed various Al Qaeda affiliates, including the Sunni extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). When the defeats suffered by Washington’s far-right Sunni Islamist proxies in Syria drove it to the negotiating table last year, it insisted that Iran could not attend the talks.

While there have been tentative moves toward a rapprochement with Iran since elections last year, the current turn constitutes a stunning reversal.

US foreign policy is collapsing under the weight of the contradictions that have built up over decades of bloody wars across the region. Having recklessly turned to various subsidiaries of Al Qaeda in an attempt to topple Assad, Washington was apparently blindsided when ISIS changed targets, rampaging through Iraq and attacking Washington’s Shiite puppet regime there.

The 2003-2011 US war in Iraq, as pursued by both the Bush and Obama administrations, involved a vast and criminal squandering of human life, American as well as Iraqi. Combined with the US decision to oversee the arming of forces like ISIS, which makes a mockery of Washington’s claims to be fighting a “war on terror” against Al Qaeda, the US subjugation of Iraq has set the stage for a new, even more devastating bloodbath in the Middle East.
bottom line, we need to stay the FUCK out of there.


NOT our culture.

NOT our people.

NOT our business.

We had no rights to go back after the first time... I was down to see us help out Kuwait (even tho there was obviously false pretense even then) but those people have a way of life thats been in place for thousands of years.

...let them live their lives, we got Kim Jong to worry about across the pond. & Chicago, & Detroit & Gary, New Orleans, LA, St Louis... we got a GANG of cleaning up HERE to do before we can afford to go elsewhere & enforce our regimes imperialism.

FUCK Obama.

FUCK Kerry.

FUCK the middle east.

....shit is TIRED already.
 
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bottom line, we need to stay the FUCK out of there.


NOT our culture.

NOT our people.

NOT our business.

We had no rights to go back after the first time... I was down to see us help out Kuwait (even tho there was obviously false pretense even then) but those people have a way of life thats been in place for thousands of years.

...let them live their lives, we got Kim Jong to worry about across the pond. & Chicago, & Detroit & Gary, New Orleans, LA, St Louis... we got a GANG of cleaning up HERE to do before we can afford to go elsewhere & enforce our regimes imperialism.

FUCK Obama.

FUCK Kerry.

FUCK the middle east.

....shit is TIRED already.
To add on-
Fuck Bush
Fuck these Islamic Extremist fucks


I remember back in 03, that I was fine with going to war with Saddam since I was still on some, "Fuck any government who hates America" type shit after 9/11. But now, I am more upset with how much American blood was shed (especially people from my unit) that died for that shit, and for what? That's why while I am not supporting ground troops to go back in Iraq (Those cunts do not deserve any more of our own being sacrificed for them)...I am fine with unmanned drone strikes. If you have seen the videos of what these fucks do to surrendered soldiers, yeah...they most definitely deserve some good ol' American missiles.

Saddam must be secretly missed amongst the region. Yeah, he did a lot of fucked up shit, I get it and he's a faggot for it, but considering how shit is with these fucks, it is pretty incredible how he kept shit in check over there.

Shit like this make me wonder how a world would be without religion as well. I'm Catholic, born and raised, but it seems as if virtually all conflicts in the world are spawned from religious differences. It's ridiculous.

And as for Iran, I don't see why people are complaining about working with them. I would actually like us to be allies with them, over the Saudi's. It would be nice to be able to visit and check out some Persian pussu and not have to be worried about being being beheaded for being an American LOL
 

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#85
To add on-
Fuck Bush
Fuck these Islamic Extremist fucks



Saddam must be secretly missed amongst the region. Yeah, he did a lot of fucked up shit, I get it and he's a faggot for it, but considering how shit is with these fucks, it is pretty incredible how he kept shit in check over there.

Shit like this make me wonder how a world would be without religion as well. I'm Catholic, born and raised, but it seems as if virtually all conflicts in the world are spawned from religious differences. It's ridiculous.

And as for Iran, I don't see why people are complaining about working with them. I would actually like us to be allies with them, over the Saudi's. It would be nice to be able to visit and check out some Persian pussu and not have to be worried about being being beheaded for being an American LOL
I agree with every sentence here breh.