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Fucky McFuckerson said:
Doesnt matter how much time he gets...its pointless. When he gets out, he will still prey on kids...until he dies.
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Yeah probably, but 15 years is better than anyone was expecting. HERESY speaks the truth when he said the judge sentenced him to 12 years more than what the prosecution was asking for, which is almost unheard of unless it's like some crime boss or political shit behind it. Props to the judge.

It's sick shit and I want these people to die too. But Germany has been doing some interesting stuff attempting a different approach in rehabilitation, I'd like to see their results some years down the road, it could be useful and necessary at some point because the reality is most pedophiles aren't getting 15 years and many never even go to jail and the ones that do, like you said go right back to doing what they were doing before. I'll post some of the interesting stuff Germany is doing later, honestly makes me sick researching this kind of shit though.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Yeah probably, but 15 years is better than anyone was expecting. HERESY speaks the truth when he said the judge sentenced him to 12 years more than what the prosecution was asking for, which is almost unheard of unless it's like some crime boss or political shit behind it. Props to the judge.

It's sick shit and I want these people to die too. But Germany has been doing some interesting stuff attempting a different approach in rehabilitation, I'd like to see their results some years down the road, it could be useful and necessary at some point because the reality is most pedophiles aren't getting 15 years and many never even go to jail and the ones that do, like you said go right back to doing what they were doing before. I'll post some of the interesting stuff Germany is doing later, honestly makes me sick researching this kind of shit though.
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Germany urges paedophiles out of the shadows - BBC News

This article is 100% correct...predofiles are victims. Something happened to them in their childhood to cause it, usually from being molested or abused by an adult at a young age. So yes, i get it. Trying to reverse it has been a dead end so far. And hey, maybe one day there will be a "cure". However, its a deep rooted psychological issue. Its right up there with multiple personality disorder.
 
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BUTCHER_206 said:
ive probably only eaten subway like three times ever since it came out years and years they ago were using some weird ass chemical to inflate their bread its like everybody forgot about that lol. i mean no one thinks its strange you put half of a sammich in the fridge and that shit is only like 1/3rd the size a few hours later? fuck all that
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Yeast?
 
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Fucky McFuckerson said:
Germany urges paedophiles out of the shadows - BBC News

This article is 100% correct...predofiles are victims. Something happened to them in their childhood to cause it, usually from being molested or abused by an adult at a young age. So yes, i get it. Trying to reverse it has been a dead end so far. And hey, maybe one day there will be a "cure". However, its a deep rooted psychological issue. Its right up there with multiple personality disorder.
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Yeah it's complicated to say the least. That's why I say I'd like to see what kind of results they find years from now.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Yeah probably, but 15 years is better than anyone was expecting. HERESY speaks the truth when he said the judge sentenced him to 12 years more than what the prosecution was asking for, which is almost unheard of unless it's like some crime boss or political shit behind it. Props to the judge.
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the defense wanted 5, prosecutors asked for 12.
 
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BUTCHER_206 said:
ive probably only eaten subway like three times ever since it came out years and years they ago were using some weird ass chemical to inflate their bread its like everybody forgot about that lol. i mean no one thinks its strange you put half of a sammich in the fridge and that shit is only like 1/3rd the size a few hours later? fuck all that
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subway actually use to be good back in the day, it was fresh ingredients then it got hella big and quality went down now it's shit
 
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Fucky McFuckerson said:
15 1/2...thats it? Fry his ass. You cant "rehabilitate" at person who is into children. It doesn't exist. They are hardwired like that and they will always want to fuck kids. I usually dont advocate this, but we need to either a) kill them or b) put them to good use somehow.
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You can't kill someone because they had terrible stuff on their computer man
 
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Arson

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Rasan said:
shoulda gave him life, in gen pop, no sny.
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Dude is gonna have a hard time in prison, even in PC, there dudes in pc who arnt rats or fags or sex offenders, just green lighters who got on the wrong side of the mexican mafia whoever, they been victimizing the fuck outta the chomos, hurting a child is the worst possible thing you could do in life, unforgivable , if your attracted to kids, kill yourself, save society.
 
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The fucked up thing, even after paying off his soon to be ex wife $7 million, legal fees, and $100,000 to 14 different kids, he's still going to get out of prison relatively young around age 50 and he'll still have a couple million in the bank waiting for him after he gets out.

In the long run dude still wins. Fuck our system.
 
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StillHustlin

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2-0-Sixx said:
Yeah probably, but 15 years is better than anyone was expecting.
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^ This statement is full of lots of stupid

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Morton Robert Berger is a former high school teacher from Phoenix, Arizona and a convicted child pornographer. He was convicted in 2003 for possessing 20 pornographic images of children. He is currently serving a sentence of 200 years in prison without possibility of probation, parole, pardon or clemency.[1] This sentence, which was the minimum available under Arizona law,[2] was upheld by the Arizona Supreme Court in 2006.[3] On February 26, 2007 the Supreme Court of the United States declined to hear a further appeal.[4]

The crime

Berger was a popular history teacher at Cortez High School in Phoenix. In June 2002, police got a tip that his credit card number had been used to buy pornographic images from a site hosted in Dallas.[5] A raid on his home revealed a large collection of child pornography that he had collected over the previous six years. He was a member of the 'Wonderland Club' porn-trading ring that required members to have at least 10,000 images in order to join.[6] He was charged with 35 specimen counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, each charge relating to one image. After Berger turned down a plea bargain, prosecutors dropped 15 of the charges to avoid overwhelming the jury with lewd images.[5] In January 2003, a jury convicted Berger of the remaining 20 counts against him.
The sentence

The unusual 200-year sentence consisted of 20 consecutive sentences of 10 years (one sentence for each photograph) – the minimum under Arizona law. Arizona has some of the strictest laws in the nation on child abuse and exploitation. Only five states have a longer minimum sentence for possession of child pornography. Arizona's 10-year minimum is longer than the maximum for this offense (or its equivalent) in 35 states, and equal to the maximum in nine states.[7] Under federal sentencing guidelines of the day, he would have faced a minimum of only five years in prison.[5] The sentencing judge agreed with prosecutors that since the possession of each image was a separate crime, the sentences had to run consecutively. Prosecutors recommended a minimum sentence of 340 years (17 years per count), while the maximum sentence available was 480 years (24 years per count).

Under Arizona law, since he had been convicted of multiple charges of second-degree dangerous crimes against children, his sentence was to be served without possibility of probation, parole, pardon or clemency.[3] Thus, all three sentences would have assured that Berger would die in prison.
The appeals

Berger's lawyers appealed the sentence, citing the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment". They argued that although each 10-year sentence was not too long in itself, the cumulative total of 200 years was grossly disproportionate to Berger's conduct overall, given that it was a longer sentence than those imposed for murder or rape of a child in Arizona. They also cited Berger's lack of a prior criminal record. The Arizona Court of Appeals upheld the sentence, feeling bound by precedent to do so. Judge Donn Kessler concurred in part and dissented in part, believing that Berger should have gotten a new sentencing hearing.[8] Berger then appealed to the Arizona Supreme Court, which ruled on May 10, 2006.

Some of the justices were sympathetic to Berger's arguments. Vice Chief Justice Rebecca Berch described the mandatory minimum and consecutive sentencing rules, as well as the exclusion of probation, parole or pardon as a "triple whammy,"[9] observing that "it far exceeds the sentence imposed for similar crimes in any jurisdiction and exceeds the penalties regularly imposed in Arizona for crimes that result in serious bodily injury or even death to victims."[10]

Despite its reservations, however, the court considered itself bound by precedent to uphold the sentence, saying that consecutive sentences which add up to very long sentences are not unconstitutional, provided that each of the individual sentences which comprise it are not themselves unconstitutional. The decision was virtually unanimous, with Berch concurring in part and dissenting in part.[3] On February 26, 2007, the Supreme Court of the United States declined to hear a further appeal.[5]

In 2011, Berger petitioned the United States District Court for the District of Arizona for a writ of habeas corpus as a last-ditch effort to have his sentence overturned. The petition was denied.

As of 2015, Berger, Arizona Department of Corrections inmate number 174827, is serving his sentence at Arizona State Prison Complex – Florence, South Unit. His earliest possible release date is January 17, 2174.[11]

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Based on evidence in the Jared Fogle case, we know he not only possessed child porn, we know he also molested children. 15 years is pathetic. Death should be the penalty for what he did.
 
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StillHustlin said:
^ This statement is full of lots of stupid

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Morton Robert Berger is a former high school teacher from Phoenix, Arizona and a convicted child pornographer. He was convicted in 2003 for possessing 20 pornographic images of children. He is currently serving a sentence of 200 years in prison without possibility of probation, parole, pardon or clemency.[1] This sentence, which was the minimum available under Arizona law,[2] was upheld by the Arizona Supreme Court in 2006.[3] On February 26, 2007 the Supreme Court of the United States declined to hear a further appeal.[4]

The crime

Berger was a popular history teacher at Cortez High School in Phoenix. In June 2002, police got a tip that his credit card number had been used to buy pornographic images from a site hosted in Dallas.[5] A raid on his home revealed a large collection of child pornography that he had collected over the previous six years. He was a member of the 'Wonderland Club' porn-trading ring that required members to have at least 10,000 images in order to join.[6] He was charged with 35 specimen counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, each charge relating to one image. After Berger turned down a plea bargain, prosecutors dropped 15 of the charges to avoid overwhelming the jury with lewd images.[5] In January 2003, a jury convicted Berger of the remaining 20 counts against him.
The sentence

The unusual 200-year sentence consisted of 20 consecutive sentences of 10 years (one sentence for each photograph) – the minimum under Arizona law. Arizona has some of the strictest laws in the nation on child abuse and exploitation. Only five states have a longer minimum sentence for possession of child pornography. Arizona's 10-year minimum is longer than the maximum for this offense (or its equivalent) in 35 states, and equal to the maximum in nine states.[7] Under federal sentencing guidelines of the day, he would have faced a minimum of only five years in prison.[5] The sentencing judge agreed with prosecutors that since the possession of each image was a separate crime, the sentences had to run consecutively. Prosecutors recommended a minimum sentence of 340 years (17 years per count), while the maximum sentence available was 480 years (24 years per count).

Under Arizona law, since he had been convicted of multiple charges of second-degree dangerous crimes against children, his sentence was to be served without possibility of probation, parole, pardon or clemency.[3] Thus, all three sentences would have assured that Berger would die in prison.
The appeals

Berger's lawyers appealed the sentence, citing the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment". They argued that although each 10-year sentence was not too long in itself, the cumulative total of 200 years was grossly disproportionate to Berger's conduct overall, given that it was a longer sentence than those imposed for murder or rape of a child in Arizona. They also cited Berger's lack of a prior criminal record. The Arizona Court of Appeals upheld the sentence, feeling bound by precedent to do so. Judge Donn Kessler concurred in part and dissented in part, believing that Berger should have gotten a new sentencing hearing.[8] Berger then appealed to the Arizona Supreme Court, which ruled on May 10, 2006.

Some of the justices were sympathetic to Berger's arguments. Vice Chief Justice Rebecca Berch described the mandatory minimum and consecutive sentencing rules, as well as the exclusion of probation, parole or pardon as a "triple whammy,"[9] observing that "it far exceeds the sentence imposed for similar crimes in any jurisdiction and exceeds the penalties regularly imposed in Arizona for crimes that result in serious bodily injury or even death to victims."[10]

Despite its reservations, however, the court considered itself bound by precedent to uphold the sentence, saying that consecutive sentences which add up to very long sentences are not unconstitutional, provided that each of the individual sentences which comprise it are not themselves unconstitutional. The decision was virtually unanimous, with Berch concurring in part and dissenting in part.[3] On February 26, 2007, the Supreme Court of the United States declined to hear a further appeal.[5]

In 2011, Berger petitioned the United States District Court for the District of Arizona for a writ of habeas corpus as a last-ditch effort to have his sentence overturned. The petition was denied.

As of 2015, Berger, Arizona Department of Corrections inmate number 174827, is serving his sentence at Arizona State Prison Complex – Florence, South Unit. His earliest possible release date is January 17, 2174.[11]

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Based on evidence in the Jared Fogle case, we know he not only possessed child porn, we know he also molested children. 15 years is pathetic. Death should be the penalty for what he did.
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That was Arizona in 2003. Arizona has some unusual and extremely stiff laws compared to most of the rest of the country. Getting 200 years for 20 pictures is certainly not the norm.
 
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Snakegang

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LiterACola said:
You can't kill someone because they had terrible stuff on their computer man
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Yeah. I'm not backing chimos in and way shape or form, I have kids. But child pornography laws are fucked imo. There was a mass hysteria about it which led to crazy mandatory minimums and you can get more time for having a few videos on your computer than for actually raping or molesting a kid. Also you can get set up easy. Say you're trading movies or files with someone and they slip some shit in to the folder or file. Again not backing chimos or child porn at all I just think the laws are fucked. Fuck jared though.
 
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Even on regular porn sites some of them girls look hella young I don't even click on those I just assume it's some trap lol. The messed up shit is when a dude is like 19 or 20 and has to register as a sex offender the rest of his life because he fucked a 16-17 year old. What Jerred did was completely different tho he was basically just obsessed with little girls that fool was hella old to be going that young
 
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