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I would think most people who have or want kids, except for those who only live off govt subsidies, would like to build generational wealth. What kind of things do you, have, or want to have, to leave your (future) children and/or (future) grandchildren better off than you or with something they can build from?

I will name some things but please add on

Life Insurance
Life Insurance is a big and easy one. There is no excuse, unless you have no one to leave it to, to not have it. The amount you pay in is nothing compared to what they will get out of it. Make sure you choose a company with a great rating. Stay away from MetLife and many others. You want this policy to pay out not just pay off for the insurer.

Property
In 1950, the median home price was just $7,354. 50 years later the median home price was $119,600. The median existing home price reported by the NAR has surpassed the record of $230,400 set in 2006 to $236,400 more recently. That is just property with homes. There are so many differently zoned types of land and so many ways to rent sell or use it. There are many different ways to earn income from property and to accumulate it as well.

Precious metals
Yes these prices fluctuate, but look at this 30 year chart for gold:


Even at it's current price, it is valued substantially greater over the course of 30 years.

I'll let others add on more things, but if you are reading this thread and giving it some thought, you are probably asking, how do I protect those assets or how do I ensure how they are allocated?

There are many instruments available to you, from Trusts to LLCs. Understanding the right instruments to provide the right protections is where you will have to do your homework.

Remember, the rich get richer because they know how to play the game.
 
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For those with children, what kind of accounts and financial planning have you helped them with?

My daughters have had bank accounts since twelve (I'm not bragging about this as a bank account pays virtually nothing in interest but was easiest way to expose them at the time to responsibility with money)...

I just opened a Roth IRA for my 18 year old as she just landed her first j-o-b and with part time hours does not qualify for employer 401k

Here's a chart that shows how much exponential growth occurs the younger they start a Roth:



*Read below for chart explanation as they can retire with much more than above figure


Tanza Loudenback

Kobliner says young people should be taking advantage of Roth IRAs, because any earned income stored there will be taxed today rather than at withdrawal, when they're more than likely to be in a higher tax bracket.


"The money in [a Roth IRA] grows tax free, which will make it multiply like crazy, especially if your kid starts early," she said.

Here's Kobliner's example:

"Let's say [your teen] puts $1,000 of his summer earnings into a Roth IRA for each of the four years from age 15 to age 18. If he stops and never puts in another penny, but lets the money grow, by age 65 he'll have about $107,000, if the money earns 7% a year.

"But if your kid waits until age 25 and then puts away $1,000 for each of the four years until age 28 and stops, that account will only be worth a little over $50,000 by age 65."

Why teens should be saving money in a Roth IRA - Business Insider
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/greats...ds-into-millionaire-retirees-with-a-roth-ira/

Turn Your Kids Into Millionaire Retirees By Setting Up A Roth IRA Today

By Vita Nelson

I have written often on the effects of compounding over the long term, emphasizing the simple but potent message that the sooner you start, the more the multiplying effect you will experience in your investments. That’s why it makes so much sense to help your children take advantage of the benefits of compounding within a Roth IRA.

Under current law, qualified Roth IRA distributions are not taxed, no matter how much income is reported on the taxpayer’s tax return. Anyone with earned income can have a Roth IRA, even a child.

You might consider hiring your children or grandchildren to do work around the house, or, if you run a business or a professional practice, you can hire them there. The younger the kids are, the better. You’ll not only cut your own taxes today, but you’ll set the kid on a path that could lead to a multi-million-dollar retirement fund decades down the road.

The premise is simple. Money you pay the youngsters reduces your business income and thereby your income taxes. The children will owe little or no tax, which you can pay for him or her, while fully funding their Roth IRAs.


Miracle of Compounding Creates Multi-Million Dollar Wealth

Suppose that you hire your child. If he earns at least $5,500 a year, that much could be invested in his Roth IRA. (You could pay a bit more in order to cover any payroll taxes.). If he works for your business for 10 years and your business makes no further payments to him after that, he would have contributed $55,000 to his Roth IRA.

How much that investment would be worth at the end of those 10 years depends on the rate of return during that period. To get an idea, we built models to calculate returns of 6%, 8%, and 10%.

Are these returns realistic? Morningstar’s Ibbotson subsidiary tracks investment returns going back to 1926. Through 2013, large-company stocks returned 10.1% a year. Shorter durations could be much lower or much higher. Our illustrations are assuming that we are going to be invested for the very long term.

Using our three models, we figured that the $55,000 total invested would be worth $74,669 at the end of 10 years at 6%, $82,863 at 8%, and $92,039 at 10%. Keep in mind that the full $55,000 was invested for only half the time, on average. (In the first year only $5,500 was invested and in the second, only $11,000, etc., so on average only $27,500 was invested for the full ten-year period.)

But the seemingly magical effect of compounding is only just beginning! Those first years are just to get the wheels rolling.

Let’s assume an 8% average annual return inside the Roth IRA, doubling every nine years (using the Rule of 72). The initial $55,000 ($5,500 invested every year for 10 years) would be worth about $3,831,415 after another 50 years, and if the average annual return were to be 10% per year, that figure would be $10,749,493. That’s the power of compounding.

Again, how reasonable are these calculations? Even during the past 10 years, which included the “Great Recession,” the S&P 500 returned an annualized 7.98% and, over the past five years, an annualized 12.79%. As you can see, market returns vary from year to year, but over very extended periods, the broad averages seem to average out to be around 10% or better. If you can allow investments to compound over long periods of time at such average annual returns you will have amazing results!

Keep in mind that the multi-million dollar portfolio we calculated was achieved without any further investments after the first 10-year period. And if your child were able to continue to fund his or her Roth IRA account, the tax-free Roth IRA buildup is likely to be even more overwhelming.

Still, many assumptions underlie those accumulations. To begin with, what kind of work can a young child do to earn $5,500 or more? The IRS might be skeptical. The answer is: Lots of things. There’s no reason why you can’t hire your child to do work around your house and lawn or work around your office. If you run your own business, chances are that your business has a website and produces various promotional brochures. If a family theme fits in, you can use young children as models and pay them the going rate. Such pictures on your website or promotional brochures can help illustrate the benefits of your business to potential customers.

As your children grow older, the range of possible employment opportunities will expand, inside and out of the office. Besides the tasks that first come to mind (filing, cleaning, grounds keeping), your teenager (or pre-teen!) might help you establish a social media presence or do market research among peers.

When the child is off to college, you might buy a house near campus so your live-away collegian can avoid dorm fees while earning a management fee if you rent rooms to other students.

Tax Advantages for the Entire Family

As mentioned earlier, hiring your child or grandchild can have immediate tax advantages for your family. Say you have an effective 35% marginal tax rate and you pay your child $5,500 a year. You save $1,925 a year: 35% times $5,500.

There are other tax advantages for hiring your children. For instance, wages paid to a child under age 18 who works for his or her parent’s trade or business are not subject to Social Security and Medicare taxes, as long as the entity is a sole proprietorship or a partnership between the child’s parents. In addition, wages paid to a child under age 21 who works at a parent’s trade or business are not subject to federal unemployment tax.

Court cases have upheld deductions for wages paid to very young children, provided the parents could show they were paid fair compensation. And hiring your children can deliver more than tax savings for you and substantial long-term wealth for your child. At an early age, your youngsters can get an idea of what it means to work for money. They can learn values such as being on time, cooperating with other employees, and taking pride in accomplishing the tasks that they’ve been asked to perform.

Such beyond-school education might be largely lost on your three-year-old, but it won’t be long before your children are getting more from the entire exercise than just a Roth IRA.

Indeed, at some point you can begin to discuss investing with your child. It will be his or her retirement fund, so your child should have some idea of how the money is being invested and why. Helping your children to become intelligent investors can be at least as worthwhile as the money you’ll ultimately spend to send them to college!

That brings me to another important consideration: Unlike assets held directly in his or her name, assets held in a retirement account will not affect your child’s ability to obtain financial assistance to pay for college (even though some withdrawals from a Roth IRA can be made without penalty to pay for secondary education).

The same process can be established using no-fee DRIPs. The effect of compounding will be the same, but the dividends thrown off by the companies will be taxable annually at the child’s rate and eventually the gains will be taxed at favorable rates.
 
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What life insurance companies are worth looking into?

i don't have life insurance and definitely should
Before researching companies, understand your need. Dave Ramsey, the conservative financial expert, speaks against whole life insurance all the time and suggests term only. Clark Howard had an article that mentioned term coverages without a medical exam (which also means the premiums will be more expensive, but speeds up the process).... Dave Ramsey promotes Zander, which is an independent agency and does have an A+ BBB rating. Also, understand what the actual insurance company ratings mean. Their industry rating is based on ability to pay claims but this does not necessarily equate to paying out claims. For instance, MetLife, who carries a high industry rating, has historically been known to not pay out claims. There was some federal litigation against them and some others where they knew the insured was deceased, did nothing to contact the beneficiaries, and continued to pillage the policies cash value until the policy could no longer be redeemed. They paid penalties and all, but think how many people were duped out of benefitting from the payouts (disclaimer: this is my summary of events, for documented outcomes and issues, you will have to research it).


As a rule of thumb you should carry 10-12 times of your annual income if you are the main source of income in your household if you have children.

I would stay away from Colonial Penn, Globe, and also never buy the Gerber grow up plans for your children.....there are more but don't have time right now.
 
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Breh the don't knows have been saying for centuries it doesn't matter and guess what.... The don't knows continue to be the have nots who keep saying that sh!t and continue the cycle for their lineage to also be have nots.....

There are two ways to break the cycle imo: live 100% off the grid and no longer be a part of their societies or build generational wealth....

Both of my grandfather's were Mason's and both came from nothing. My father's father had a 6th grade education and died a wealthy man. My father turned his cut into exponential growth by way of property and has built assets exponentially greater than his father. My other grandfather lived wealthy for a long time due to his connections but illness ate that shit up (imagine if he didn't have what he did and he prob would have died much sooner) but he was still able to leave his grandchildren considerable amount of money.

Don't believe the hype. This shit is like Energizer, it's not ending in a few years. If it does great, but don't ever fail to plan unless you plan to fail.....
 
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Too many people live in the moment and don't handle their business, often creating a domino effect for their significant others and children. If it's just you by your lonesome then do what it do, if you have a family stop your irresponsible bullshit and put your big boy pants on...
 

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I used administer estates once people passed away. The large large majority of people don't have jack shit when they die. $300,000 house, $25,000 in life insurance, some cash in the bank etc. - normally someone's entire life savings is all gone when they die. Usually the house has to be sold to reimburse the government for nursing home or healthcare, the life insurance goes to pay for the funeral expenses and casket, taxes go to the state, and the heirs are left with a few thousand bucks.

After seeing all that, I told my dad to just spend all his cash while he's alive and live it up. I'd rather him use the money that he earned than have the government take it all to payback healthcare.
 

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my kids each got more money in their bank accounts than I do (I married "up"), but I started a 401k a couple years ago and it really built up quickly with my company matching dollar for dollar. I got life insurance, but I really hope I live long enough to see my great grandkids

My wife has had an IRA since she was a youngster and that should be a nice nest egg by the time she touches it
 
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I used administer estates once people passed away. The large large majority of people don't have jack shit when they die. $300,000 house, $25,000 in life insurance, some cash in the bank etc. - normally someone's entire life savings is all gone when they die. Usually the house has to be sold to reimburse the government for nursing home or healthcare, the life insurance goes to pay for the funeral expenses and casket, taxes go to the state, and the heirs are left with a few thousand bucks.

After seeing all that, I told my dad to just spend all his cash while he's alive and live it up. I'd rather him use the money that he earned than have the government take it all to payback healthcare.
$25,000 life insurance is not 10x-12x annual income which means that person is extremely underinsured.

According to the 2017 Insurance Barometer study, 41% of Americans do not have any life insurance. Another statistic is that 86% say they haven't bought life insurance because it's too expensive, yet overestimate it's true cost by more than 2x.

Anyone interested in calculating how much they should buy can go here:

Calculate Your Needs | Life Happens

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It really is a cheap cost effective way to hedge against death and ensure a substantial payout regardless of your current assets and liabilities.

Of course this is only if you have a spouse or significant other and/or children you want to provide for.