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Greg Jennings, Eddie Lacy, John Kuhn, James Jones, Jordy Nelson, Jermichael Finley, old Donald Driver, James Starks, Brandon Jackson. Any of those guys actually any good? (Besides Jennings, who wasn't an elite receiver, but a possession receiver whose success depended on high volume passes from a very efficient QB.) If anything, Rodgers was surrounded by a lot of crap and kept delivering regardless of who was playing or how many injuries there were. He made that offense work, not the other way around.

Fastest QB to get 30,000 yards. First QB to score 10 TDs in 3 playoff games. Two time NFL MVP (along with Favre, Montana, Brady and Manning). Super Bowl MVP. Highest single season and career QBR in NFL history. One of the lowest interception rates in NFL history. Discount double check. Not to mention a pretty decent runner. By pretty much every marking, he is not only good, but historically good. His 2011 season alone was one of the best seasons by a QB in NFL history, period. In each category, he has more yards, more TDs, and less interceptions through his first 137 games than Manning, Favre, Brady, Brees, Young or Montana.

I don't even get what your HGH comment means. You can't just say throw out some bullshit assertions like he "obviously isn't good" without backing it up in any way. This is the sports forum, not a presidential election.
yeah nah he sucks
 
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The scary thing for Aaron Rodgers and Packers fans is that AR is basically 33 already. It's certainly not a guarantee he is gonna pull a Brady / Manning / Brees and be good until he is in his late 30s. And even if he did, that gives him what 4 good seasons left?

I stole this off an old article on Peyton Manning from 2011 trying to forecast how much longer he would be good but the sources are still relevant.

- At age 36, Dan Marino saw his decline. His quarterback rating dropped to 80.7, his touchdowns plummeted to 17, and only in his rookie year did he produce fewer passing yards in a full season. He lasted two more seasons before retirement.

- Joe Montana's career may as well have ended at 35. His numbers plummeted in 1990 — just a year removed from one of the finest seasons ever put together by a QB (26 TDs and 8 INT in just 13 games with a 112.4 QB rating in 1989).

He played in one final game in San Francisco at age 36 before ending his career in mediocre fashion in Kansas City (two seasons, 29 combined touchdown passes).

- Troy Aikman’s demise occurred so abruptly at age 34 that he retired after tossing just 7 touchdowns against 14 interceptions in 2000.

- Terry Bradshaw threw in the towel at 35, after two injury plagued seasons.

- Johnny Unitas, whose longevity in the league is well-documented -- he played 17 seasons from 1956 to 1973 -- began to break down at 35. He only played in five games that year and didn’t start a single one. His play never recovered as he sludged through four more mediocre seasons with Baltimore before doing the unthinkable, leaving to sputter out in San Diego.

- Fran Tarkenton's decline came at 37 -- in 1977 he only played in nine games. He ended things the next season.

- Even Steve Young, who in essence got a late start after waiting for Montana to break down, had his last hurrah at age 37 before the concussions got to him.

The examples are endless: Joe Namath (34), Bart Starr (36), Roger Staubach (37), Jim Kelly (36), Otto Graham (34), Dan Fouts (36, dropped off at 35), Sammy Baugh (dropped off at 36 and fizzled until the end at 38), Len Dawson (dropped off at 34), Bob Griese (35) — it goes on and on.

At 34, George Blanda threw 36 touchdowns. At age 35, he threw 42 interceptions, the most ever in a season.
Basically it looks like the cliff even for the great quarterbacks is generally around 35-36
 
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The scary thing for Aaron Rodgers and Packers fans is that AR is basically 33 already. It's certainly not a guarantee he is gonna pull a Brady / Manning / Brees and be good until he is in his late 30s. And even if he did, that gives him what 4 good seasons left?

I stole this off an old article on Peyton Manning from 2011 trying to forecast how much longer he would be good but the sources are still relevant.



Basically it looks like the cliff even for the great quarterbacks is generally around 35-36
And if they don't build a good team around him soon, the Packers organization will look back when it's all said and done and say "how the fuck did we have Aaron Rodgers and only get one ring?"

I hate Rodgers, almost as much as Tom Brady. But he's been the most talented QB in the league for a long time and it's really not that close. He's more talented than Brady, more talented than Manning ever was but he's never really had a great team. He's been on good teams, not great (well maybe one season was pretty damn close to great but Rodgers was playing phenomenal).

And that will probably be viewed as a big failure from the top down. I'm not a fan of Mike McCarthy, I think he's overrated, and it's a bit strange since GM Ted Thompson is viewed as one of the top GMs in the NFL and yet it doesn't feel like they have a good team right now. And over the last few years, they've always seemed to be good enough to make the playoffs but not quite good enough for people to really believe they were super bowl caliber.

I think they'll be alright though, they've had a few unfortunate injuries, a bad start and Rodgers isn't playing like Rodgers yet but he will. It's just a matter of how good the rest of the team can be when Rodgers does get things going. If they have a bad season McCarthy is out.
 
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At least he spent his first couple years as a backup. It's his 11th season in the league but only his 8th on the field. He might have a couple extra years in him since there's less wear and tear.
 
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Jay Cutler & da Bears are tearing up the Vikings. 20-3 late in the third.

Sam Bradford is showing his true colors - a QB who is not going to lead any team to a Superbowl, great defense or not. Bears defense has held him to just 92 yards so far.

If da Bears hold on to the lead, then the Cowboys will be all alone in first place in the NFC at 6-2. Seahawks and Vikings will be the only two teams with 2 losses, everyone else has 3 or more (Atlanta, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Packers).
 
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Jay Cutler & da Bears are tearing up the Vikings. 20-3 late in the third.

Sam Bradford is showing his true colors - a QB who is not going to lead any team to a Superbowl, great defense or not. Bears defense has held him to just 92 yards so far.

If da Bears hold on to the lead, then the Cowboys will be all alone in first place in the NFC at 6-2. Seahawks and Vikings will be the only two teams with 2 losses, everyone else has 3 or more (Atlanta, Giants, Eagles, Redskins, Packers).
is it not hilarious Cutler will sometimes put on a performance like this to make the Bears think hes worth keeping around lol
 
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is it not hilarious Cutler will sometimes put on a performance like this to make the Bears think hes worth keeping around lol
That's Jay Cutler, man. He's got a ton of talent, a rocket arm. So sometimes he has these amazing games where you're like fuck this guy is good, then the next game he'll throw four picks and in the press conference not give a single fuck. It's the inconsistency that's maddening.

I will say he's better than the alternative so I see no reason to bench him until they know they have a real QB for the future. Hoyer isn't the future.
 
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I really like this rookie Jordan Howard. 5th round pick. Tonight 202 yards of offense - 153 yards rushing, 49 receiving, the kid looks good.

Chicago's defense is starting to finally get an identity for themselves, they are actually 9th overall in yards per game allowed, which is a huge improvement from the past couple years. They might just be a team on the rise if they can get a consistent rushing game going which I think they will with Howard*, so main next year John Fox's Bears will compete in the division.



*This is Howard's 3rd 100 yard rushing game and he's got a hundred yards or more each time da Bears gave him double digit carries. In the games he didn't get over a hundred, he only had single digit rushing attempts. Seems pretty obvious - feed him the ball from here on out, that should help Cutler out a bunch.
 
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Basically Cam wants to be the NFL version of the fruit loop that is Russell Westbrook.




I would hope that fruity shit would stay with Westbrook but you can see he passed it along to Durant


Nice Capris!

So we'd all hope, ok, it's just the NBA it won't spread to the NFL, but nope, Odell Beckham jr and Cam embrace the fruitcake fashion, which leads to this bullshit:


How Russell Westbrook, Odell Beckham Jr., & Cam Newton Have Changed Black Masculinity

Oh god...

It’s time for a new black male aesthetic. Especially one that captures decolonized postmodern black masculinity as well as one that has ontologically transcendent capabilities. In simpler terms, an aesthetic that allows for black masculinity to not be defined by archaic norms in the realm of fashion, black male-to-male relationships and how one images themselves for the sake of respectability politics.​

Just shut the fuck up lol. Dressing like a fruit is always going to be fruity, no need for these "changing black masculinity" bullshit articles.
 
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