What should the Jews Do?

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Should they give up Israel and be dispersed around the world? Should they all be put into camps and gased? Should they leave their futur in the hands of people convinced that they are racially superior? Should they make recompense with their sworn enemies? Should they invade their neighbors homelands and murder them to the last child? Should they act as a puppet for other interests. Should they do what you think? What do you think they should do the Jews of Israel?

Who knows?

Anyone?

To me there has to be a jewish state as long as there are people who hate the jews or its the back to "I can do whatever I want to a Jew". Personally I think it should have been parsaled out of Germany.
 
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Too late to get out. I think there must be a two state solution with Palestine, one which Israel respects the 1967 borders. Israel must pull their troops out of Gaza and Lebanon. Israel must rebuild Palestine, build housing, restore their infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc. All of this must be funded 100% by Israel/US. Israel must continue to fund the Palestinians until their country is restored and each and every last Palestinian has decent housing/food/education/etc.

Is this possible any time soon? Fuck no! The only way is through a mass movement of the Israeli’s workers to overthrow their capitalist regime which would put an end to these mindless wars and attacks on living standards. In addition, there must be a socialist Palestine along side a socialist Israel as part of a socialist confederation of the Middle East in which the workers and poor peasants decide how society is run and not the corrupt leaders. This is the only way the land with all its resources will be shared equitably, thus guaranteeing self-determination for both peoples.

On a side note, I wounder what the world would be like if the Jews settled in Argentina after WWII, which they highly considered.
 
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JLMACN said:
I thought being a Jew was a religious thing?

not a "people" thing?

Like...Mexicans are a people...not a religion. Jews are a religion correct?


or to be Jewish is to be a people?

im lost.

5000

Its confusing as fuck.

Im considered a jew even though im not religious in any capacity and even though i dont consider myself a jew. Apparently it has to do with who my mothers mothers mothers.....................................mother was?
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
Too late to get out. I think there must be a two state solution with Palestine, one which Israel respects the 1967 borders. Israel must pull their troops out of Gaza and Lebanon. Israel must rebuild Palestine, build housing, restore their infrastructure, hospitals, schools, etc. All of this must be funded 100% by Israel/US. Israel must continue to fund the Palestinians until their country is restored and each and every last Palestinian has decent housing/food/education/etc.

Is this possible any time soon? Fuck no! The only way is through a mass movement of the Israeli’s workers to overthrow their capitalist regime which would put an end to these mindless wars and attacks on living standards. In addition, there must be a socialist Palestine along side a socialist Israel as part of a socialist confederation of the Middle East in which the workers and poor peasants decide how society is run and not the corrupt leaders. This is the only way the land with all its resources will be shared equitably, thus guaranteeing self-determination for both peoples.

On a side note, I wounder what the world would be like if the Jews settled in Argentina after WWII, which they highly considered.
Keep in mind this is all hypothetical.

I tend to agree with most of this commentary. The problem with reparation is although the destruction is extreemly one sided many people would be objectionable to funding the reestablishment of people who were just trying to kill them.

It might be possible under the threat of sanctions.

The only way you have a socialist confederation is if you have the world wide workers revolution my dad has been saying is coming my whole life.

One thing is for sure if the jews went to argentina their economy wouldn't be in the shitter.

The people absent here who have been putting in their 2 cents on similar topics must not have seen this thread or aren't comfortable saying what they really want to. ACHTUNG KILAHYDRO
 
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The Jews of Israel live in the geo-strategic reality that losing one war likely means losing the state of Israel. I believe they have a right to defend themselves against cross border raids into Israel. However I question the use of force which in my opinion is disproportionate to the crime committed. In the short run it may provide detterance but in the long run it will breed the type of diaspora that makes terrorism more common. I think it is in the interest of the Jewish people to find a political solution to the problems of the Palestinian and Lebanese sooner rather than later. In the near future the Israeli's face the population multiplication table that American Indians faced with Europeans...not only in the Middle East region but also in their own country.

I also believe the United States should restrain Israel in the current conflict. They are the country with the most significant bargaining power and they are essentially assisting the Israeli operation by not seeking a peaceful alternative.

Like 2-0-Sixx said, I don’t see peace anytime in the new future. I don’t see peace because I see major deficiencies in the education and acculturation of both Israeli and Arab children. I see both governments and family upbringing to blame for the perpetuation hate and violence that continues to make the situation so flammable. I think the historical grievences are too much for this generation of Israelis/Palestinians to overcome, and until both sides get rid of the "Your grandfather killed my grandfather" mentality there will never be peace.
 
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Formaldehyde Rx said:
Keep in mind this is all hypothetical.
Of course.

The only way you have a socialist confederation is if you have the world wide workers revolution my dad has been saying is coming my whole life.
Correct. I don't see a socialist revolution starting in Israel/Palestine, I, like your pops, see it eventually spreading to that region. Socialist revolution imo is inevitable; the only questions really are when and where it begins.

One thing is for sure if the jews went to argentina their economy wouldn't be in the shitter.
I’m not sure about that because where do they get their money/funding in the first place? From foreign governments and from Jews living abroad.

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I just realized I misread your statement.

The people absent here who have been putting in their 2 cents on similar topics must not have seen this thread or aren't comfortable saying what they really want to. ACHTUNG KILAHYDRO
Perhaps. Or maybe some people simply have not thought of any solutions.
 

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Formaldehyde Rx said:
Its confusing as fuck.

Im considered a jew even though im not religious in any capacity and even though i dont consider myself a jew. Apparently it has to do with who my mothers mothers mothers.....................................mother was?
In some instances (mainly among certain sects) this how your "jewishness" is judged.
 
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Israel should continue to exist but so should palestine. Instead of trying to push them out of the west bank and gaza, they should give them their own state. This would mean confronting daddy (America), which would mean fewer US donations to Israel, but it would help peace in the middle east.

One thing Israel should do is GET THE FUCK OUT OF LEBANON. I saw on the news that they just blew up another apartment block because they suspected the leader of the Southern faction of Hezbollah was staying there. Did they kill him? NO! They did kill several lebanese though. The UN and US should put trade sanctions on Israel and make them outkasts if they continue this shit, and they should force them to pay for any damages (rebuilding of bridges, the air port etc.). Of course, the US is too busy sitting back and dick-riding Israel - I think the UN should ditch the US altogether, I'm tired of their own national agenda.