Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims Bible Scholar

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A controversial American biblical scholar is set to make his first appearance in London next week to present a discovery that he claims proves the story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to enslave the poor.

Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

At the 'Covert Messiah' conference, to be held at the Conway Hall in Holborn a week on Saturday, Mr Atwill will present his theory that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they entirely fabricated the story of Jesus Christ.

Outlining his ideas in a blog posting on his website Mr Atwill writes: "Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery."

Mr Atwill says that acts of insurrection by Jewish sects, who were awaiting the arrival of a so-called 'warrior Messiah' in Palestine, were a perpetual problem for the Roman Empire and that after the Empire had exhausted all traditional means of dealing with the problem they resorted to psychological warfare.

"They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system," Atwill told PRWeb.com

"That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented.

"Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Mr Atwill continues: "Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history.

To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Elsewhere, Mr Atwill also writes: “In fact he [Jesus] may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there’s simply nothing left.”

Atwill says he made his discovery when while studying the New Testament alongside the 'War of the Jews' by Josephus - the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea.

Mr Atwill claims that he began to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts.

"What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus," Atwill claims.

"This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern", he continues.

"The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

Richard Dawkins, the English evolutionary biologist and author, well known for his anti-religion views, yesterday tweeted a link to the press release advertising the event in London.

However, he later tweeted: "RT doesn't imply endorsement. I'm not qualified to judge Atwill's thesis. Just thought it might be worth a look."

Mr Atwill's theory is simply one of a number of what are known as Bible conspiracy theories.

These theories commonly include the suggestion that secret societies, mystery schools and other religions used the fictional story of Christ to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion.

Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims controversial Biblical scholar - Home News - UK - The Independent
 
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This story was created to pacify the tinfoil hats.

....at the end of the day, if you don't believe then you don't believe. ( not pointed at you 2-0-Sixx @2-0-Sixx just speaking on it )

I never understood why people who do not have faith, spend all their time trying to convince others not to have faith ( & vice versa, such as fools knocking on your door saturday morning at 8 fucking AM ).

Lets all live our lives the way we live our lives & I wont judge you, you dont judge me.

 
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^Word I can feel that tho I don't see anything wrong with people sharing their insight or take on things, it is how the human race evolves and elevates. If we don't have conversations about "his-story", then the truth gets subsided by the lies and the masses get further manipulated. I don't want to sh!t on anyone's faith, if they are a stand up person and their faith is what helped get them there more power to them. I will say this though, nothing is stronger than knowledge (know the ledge) of self.
 
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This story was created to pacify the tinfoil hats.

....at the end of the day, if you don't believe then you don't believe. ( not pointed at you 2-0-Sixx @2-0-Sixx just speaking on it )

I never understood why people who do not have faith, spend all their time trying to convince others not to have faith ( & vice versa, such as fools knocking on your door saturday morning at 8 fucking AM ).

Lets all live our lives the way we live our lives & I wont judge you, you dont judge me.

Well, this isn't a matter of someone trying to convince people I don't think, rather a Biblical scholar who looks at this from a historical perspective and is offering his hypothesis based on the information from his studies. People can do what they please with that information. Interesting read nonetheless m
 

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Lets all live our lives the way we live our lives & I wont judge you, you dont judge me.

Tolerance towards religion doesn't really work in the real world.

Because:

1) The dominant religions of the world are by their very nature (selected for in quite Darwinian fashion over the centuries) out to convert everyone else, i.e. if they are not eliminated, they will eventually eliminate those who don't share the beliefs but prefer to remain "tolerant" towards them

2) In the real world it is extremely important that people make rational and informed decisions. Religion ruins one's ability to do that, and if large numbers of people in a society make their decisions in an misinformed and irrational way, then that society is completely fucked. Like ours at the moment
 
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Tolerance towards religion doesn't really work in the real world.

Because:

1) The dominant religions of the world are by their very nature (selected for in quite Darwinian fashion over the centuries) out to convert everyone else, i.e. if they are not eliminated, they will eventually eliminate those who don't share the beliefs but prefer to remain "tolerant" towards them

2) In the real world it is extremely important that people make rational and informed decisions. Religion ruins one's ability to do that, and if large numbers of people in a society make their decisions in an misinformed and irrational way, then that society is completely fucked. Like ours at the moment
General ignorance and misinformation of the non-spiritual variety is far more prescient and damaging than any sort of religious belief.

The areas in which you find the most wholehearted devotion to religion you also find the deepest poverty. It's a function of general lack of social mobility.

I don't believe religion enslaves the ignorant people of the world. I believe they turn to religion as a comfort for their shitty, low-prospect lives. Does being religious drive these people into a shittier, lower-prospect life?

I dont think so. Looking at religion as the problem is a jumbled sort of chicken-egg type of logic. Telling a poor toothless Uzbek shepherd about rationality and science is kind of like having a teleconference about Crest whitening strips vs tooth bleaching to a village of North Koreans.
 

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General ignorance and misinformation of the non-spiritual variety is far more prescient and damaging than any sort of religious belief.

The areas in which you find the most wholehearted devotion to religion you also find the deepest poverty. It's a function of general lack of social mobility.

I don't believe religion enslaves the ignorant people of the world. I believe they turn to religion as a comfort for their shitty, low-prospect lives. Does being religious drive these people into a shittier, lower-prospect life?

I dont think so. Looking at religion as the problem is a jumbled sort of chicken-egg type of logic. Telling a poor toothless Uzbek shepherd about rationality and science is kind of like having a teleconference about Crest whitening strips vs tooth bleaching to a village of North Koreans.
None of what you said changes the situation in any way.

The problem is still the same
 
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1.symbolic work: a work in which the characters and events are to be understood as representing other things and symbolically expressing a deeper, often spiritual, moral, or political meaning

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Lmao

At least you are moving in the right direction. Progression.
 
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Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.
So was Paul the Apostle in on it as well? Because he was a real person.



I never understood why people who do not have faith, spend all their time trying to convince others not to have faith [
It's because a substantial number of those that "have faith" try to force it on the rest of us: prayer in school, anti-sodomy laws, laws against interracial marriage aka miscegenation, banning birth control and contraceptives, etc.

Then you have oppressive theocracies, Iran for example, that base all their laws on one religious text that results in women having restricted rights, and freedom of speech being denied (blasphemy laws).

You have people being murdered or targeted for assassination by religious leaders just for having a book published or printing some cartoons.

THAT'S why people spend their time trying to disprove the claims of the religious.


( & vice versa, such as fools knocking on your door saturday morning at 8 fucking AM ).
If I truly believed that my neighbors or friends were going to burn in Hell because they didn't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior I'd probably be knocking on doors too and trying to proselytize.
 

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This story was created to pacify the tinfoil hats.

....at the end of the day, if you don't believe then you don't believe. ( not pointed at you 2-0-Sixx @2-0-Sixx just speaking on it )

I never understood why people who do not have faith, spend all their time trying to convince others not to have faith ( & vice versa, such as fools knocking on your door saturday morning at 8 fucking AM ).

Lets all live our lives the way we live our lives & I wont judge you, you dont judge me.

I'm not religious at all... but if I was... and I truly believed that you would burn in eternity for the sins you have committed... I'd kind of feel like an asshole if I didn't try and save you, breh.

On the other hand I think some scientific minded atheists believe that faith based religions stifle progress.

so everyone gots their own agenda on why they want YOU and everyone else to think the way they do.

I couldn't really care at all tho. Just do whatever you want, Shea. But if you're a scientologist, i might not respect you as a person. just saying.
 
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just realized benny blanco made the same statement I did. God damn asshole, saying things before I do. I ain't to happy bout that. none happy at all.
 

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2) In the real world it is extremely important that people make rational and informed decisions. Religion ruins one's ability to do that
wrong.

if I get angry and feel like I wanna merk some asshole or someone who pissed me off imma think twice, in a rational fashion simply due to the fact that the morality my personal belief has placed in me, to not take someones life.

...thats just me tho.

I can't speak for nobody else.
 
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I wish I would have seen this thread before I started mine. The real "JC" = Julius Ceasar, who was also an iniate in the Heliopolis mystery school down in Ancient Khemet. The Bible ethical population control? "Blessed are the poor in spirit for thiers is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:3 sounds promising to a subservient individual! I wonder if this author equated the Jesus charcter to his obvious forerunner and blueprint who was hailed as the "light of the world, " Heru? And is it me, or do the Jehovah Witnesses tell good knock knock jokes? Our Creators name "G-Hova?" Now that's a funny one to mask the tetragrammaton! One tools me that it means "that which will become," but excuse me "I am that I am" = verb describing something that already is!
 
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A controversial American biblical scholar is set to make his first appearance in London next week to present a discovery that he claims proves the story of Jesus Christ was invented as a system of mind control to enslave the poor.

Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.

At the 'Covert Messiah' conference, to be held at the Conway Hall in Holborn a week on Saturday, Mr Atwill will present his theory that the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they entirely fabricated the story of Jesus Christ.

Outlining his ideas in a blog posting on his website Mr Atwill writes: "Christianity may be considered a religion, but it was actually developed and used as a system of mind control to produce slaves that believed God decreed their slavery."

Mr Atwill says that acts of insurrection by Jewish sects, who were awaiting the arrival of a so-called 'warrior Messiah' in Palestine, were a perpetual problem for the Roman Empire and that after the Empire had exhausted all traditional means of dealing with the problem they resorted to psychological warfare.

"They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system," Atwill told PRWeb.com

"That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented.

"Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Mr Atwill continues: "Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history.

To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Elsewhere, Mr Atwill also writes: “In fact he [Jesus] may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there’s simply nothing left.”

Atwill says he made his discovery when while studying the New Testament alongside the 'War of the Jews' by Josephus - the only surviving first-person historical account of first-century Judea.

Mr Atwill claims that he began to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts.

"What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of [Emperor] Titus Flavius as described by Josephus," Atwill claims.

"This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern", he continues.

"The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

Richard Dawkins, the English evolutionary biologist and author, well known for his anti-religion views, yesterday tweeted a link to the press release advertising the event in London.

However, he later tweeted: "RT doesn't imply endorsement. I'm not qualified to judge Atwill's thesis. Just thought it might be worth a look."

Mr Atwill's theory is simply one of a number of what are known as Bible conspiracy theories.

These theories commonly include the suggestion that secret societies, mystery schools and other religions used the fictional story of Christ to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion.

Story of Jesus Christ was 'fabricated to pacify the poor', claims controversial Biblical scholar - Home News - UK - The Independent
There is a big difference between giving and stealing.

That concept is extremely difficult for the anti-Christians to understand.